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BrainDance posted:It's just fanta. There’s apple fanta??
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Mar 14, 2021 02:18
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Centrist Committee posted:There’s apple fanta?? hell yeah there is
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Mar 14, 2021 02:22
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Why isn't there cranberry coca cola?
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Mar 14, 2021 02:30
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It make sense for the US to spread out their missile launcher bases in a mid-range missile exchange scenario. But US simply don't have access to as much land as China in Asia to put their mobile launchers. And if they want to put the missiles on ships, they have to count on China's anti ship missile not good and the US can protect their own supply infrastructure some how. So the war game simulation is basically telling the US decision makers don't get into a mid range missile exchange over Taiwan, which is cheaper than spending money to spread out the current Asian military bases.
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Mar 14, 2021 02:33
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lol I thought the concern about underestimating the US military was so people didn't expect China to act more confrontationally towards the US than is reasonable
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Mar 14, 2021 02:47
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Doctor Jeep posted:shut up and gently caress off back to dnd dnd doesn't tolerate him so he's found a home here in glorious cspam repeating the same made up poo poo over and over, where the only thing the mods will enforce is probating anyone challenging victims of communism lunatic propaganda
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Mar 14, 2021 02:59
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KaptainKrunk posted:- capital accumulation for its own sake is bad; if its done to enrich the country and enable a socialist life at a higher level of development (and thus avoid having to literally prevent your intellgentsia from fleeing the country) it is good. We'll see. it’s primarily enriching the bourgeois, then slowly being trickled out to the working class. when you’re creating billionaires at a higher rate than anyone else that seems bad
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Mar 14, 2021 03:01
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when china has a burgeoning landlord class, home loans, and even loving mortgage-backed securities, i don't really know how you can argue capital accumulation "enable a socialist life at a higher level of development"
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Mar 14, 2021 03:14
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shrike82 posted:when china has a burgeoning landlord class, home loans, and even loving mortgage-backed securities, i don't really know how you can argue capital accumulation "enable a socialist life at a higher level of development" So thirsty and irritable, u should really try the fanta, maybe crack a joke or two, take the edge off a little
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Mar 14, 2021 03:17
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had a bottle of nongfu spring tea quote:But reclusive Zhong Shanshan has become Asia's richest man following the stock listings last year of his Nongfu Spring mineral water and separate pharma company Wantai Biological Pharmacy Enterprise, which has tapped into massive demand for COVID-19 test kits. nice!
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Mar 14, 2021 03:19
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u already did that one, but keep workshopping it 
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Mar 14, 2021 03:29
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https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1370833508067852289
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Mar 14, 2021 04:21
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https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1370827162891251713
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Mar 14, 2021 04:26
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If US want to put money where their month is, excuse me, where their "value" is, Washington should grand special long term work visa to HK visitors.
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Mar 14, 2021 04:26
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indigi posted:it’s primarily enriching the bourgeois, then slowly being trickled out to the working class. when you’re creating billionaires at a higher rate than anyone else that seems bad china was in a poo poo state at the end of the GPCR, alienated from the socialist bloc after the sino-soviet split and had to turn to the west which was only going to give it anything if china liberalized. so that happened, and western capital sold out their own labor to flood china with capital investment, technical knowhow, etc. the result was the usual things that accompany liberalization; economic disparity, rising costs of living, the urban rat race and lovely working conditions even for professionals, billionaires and millionaires, real estate commodification, but also a massive increase in productive forces unimagineable in 1979 and the emergence of a state with the potential to be a near-peer competitor to the USA that could keep it in check, and with several key differences to the west: a massive state owned portion of the economy, oligarchs that have to bend to state policy rather than setting it or face proscription or execution, an increasing state role and agenda that's allowed to dictate to the private sector, and existing state institutions that have the capacity to do something other than neoliberalism when growth inevitable slows and forces the inevitable contradictions into a showdown between who gets the profits between industrial capital and labor (this is already happening as foxconn, for example, forced into higher wages and getting slapped down several times recently into actually following official labor standards, is starting to move operations out of china to vietnam and now even india). but this conversation has happened several times itt before and this thread keeps going in circles instead of talking about anything new, useful or interesting to learn about because poo poo for brains can keep posting "did you know?? china has billionaires" until all the leftcucks finally give up and get on board the state department/victims of communism hate train mila kunis has issued a correction as of 04:36 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 04:32
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stephenthinkpad posted:If US want to put money where their month is, excuse me, where their "value" is, Washington should grand special long term work visa to HK visitors. uk should grant bno status to the rohinga
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Mar 14, 2021 04:42
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Throatwarbler posted:uk should grant bno status to the rohinga They really should. But drawing the nation's borderline on the wrong geopolitic fault lines before leaving the colony is kind of a British specialty.
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Mar 14, 2021 04:49
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Lol
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Mar 14, 2021 04:56
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mila kunis posted:china was in a poo poo state at the end of the GPCR, alienated from the socialist bloc after the sino-soviet split and had to turn to the west which was only going to give it anything if china liberalized. so that happened, and western capital sold out their own labor to flood china with capital investment, technical knowhow, etc. the result was the usual things that accompany liberalization; economic disparity, rising costs of living, the urban rat race and lovely working conditions even for professionals, billionaires and millionaires, real estate commodification, but also a massive increase in productive forces unimagineable in 1979 and the emergence of a state with the potential to be a near-peer competitor to the USA that could keep it in check, and with several key differences to the west: a massive state owned portion of the economy, oligarchs that have to bend to state policy rather than setting it or face proscription or execution, an increasing state role and agenda that's allowed to dictate to the private sector, and existing state institutions that have the capacity to do something other than neoliberalism when growth inevitable slows and forces the inevitable contradictions into a showdown between who gets the profits between industrial capital and labor (this is already happening as foxconn, for example, forced into higher wages and getting slapped down several times recently into actually following official labor standards, is starting to move operations out of china to vietnam and now even india). lol
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Mar 14, 2021 06:43
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mila kunis posted:china was in a poo poo state at the end of the GPCR, alienated from the socialist bloc after the sino-soviet split and had to turn to the west which was only going to give it anything if china liberalized. so that happened, and western capital sold out their own labor to flood china with capital investment, technical knowhow, etc. the result was the usual things that accompany liberalization; economic disparity, rising costs of living, the urban rat race and lovely working conditions even for professionals, billionaires and millionaires, real estate commodification, but also a massive increase in productive forces unimagineable in 1979 and the emergence of a state with the potential to be a near-peer competitor to the USA that could keep it in check, and with several key differences to the west: a massive state owned portion of the economy, oligarchs that have to bend to state policy rather than setting it or face proscription or execution, an increasing state role and agenda that's allowed to dictate to the private sector, and existing state institutions that have the capacity to do something other than neoliberalism when growth inevitable slows and forces the inevitable contradictions into a showdown between who gets the profits between industrial capital and labor (this is already happening as foxconn, for example, forced into higher wages and getting slapped down several times recently into actually following official labor standards, is starting to move operations out of china to vietnam and now even india). I would say it is the inevitable result of the Leninist path versus Orthodox Marxism. If the vanguard party is going to build the state, it is going down the least path of resistance. In the case of the Soviet Union, initially it was the NEP until it was clear it wasn't going anywhere then it was centralization with some occasional periods of reform. Ultimately, the Soviet Union never had the trade access it needed to really go anywhere and some pretty critical mistakes during the 1970s/1980s. In the case of the PRC, it worked out because of geopolitical dynamics and kept on working out until you got billionaires. But it gets down to the real question of the Leninist state: is the goal really class equality or ultimate victory? One could certainly argue that the Cold War wasn't really an ideological conflict but fundamentally a geopolitical one. The US could have offered the Soviets trade access in exchange for liberalization and they probably would have taken it.
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Mar 14, 2021 07:00
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https://twitter.com/basialcummings/status/1370726312432836609
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Mar 14, 2021 07:54
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The Dengists won. It's that simple. Gang of Four would have led to continued embargo and the US eye of Sauron from 91 on though. KaptainKrunk has issued a correction as of 08:13 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 08:09
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"He who fights with monsters", etc.Ardennes posted:One could certainly argue that the Cold War wasn't really an ideological conflict but fundamentally a geopolitical one. The US could have offered the Soviets trade access in exchange for liberalization and they probably would have taken it. Funny how the Soviets refused the Marshall Plan, would've been interesting if they and the rest of the Eastern Bloc had taken it
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Mar 14, 2021 08:20
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https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1370528147997876227 + don't think that's a cultural revolution uniform? it's from world war II. see, different uniforms:   + even if they were, i don't think the outfits were the worst thing about the cultural revolution + i just imagined principal xi jinping giving chinese grade schoolers in 2021 permission to suddenly pull out hammers and axes from their desks to tear up their school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45IXc-_7kww&t=27s BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 13:55 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 08:56
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lol
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Mar 14, 2021 09:11
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the american media simply does not have a poster as strong as chen weihua, and its sad
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Mar 14, 2021 11:49
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Varinn posted:the american media simply does not have a poster as strong as chen weihua, and its sad their inability to produce even the most basic of modern strategic weapons is yet another sign of growing imperial decadence
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Mar 14, 2021 11:59
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Maximo Roboto posted:"He who fights with monsters", etc. Most of it was specifics in how it was structured and the fact relations were rapidly falling apart after the war. The Soviets were even ready to sign on to the Bretton Woods agreement. Beijing willingness to sign up to the WTO and international finance isn’t anything new. Also, American companies in particular had been doing a bunch of business in the USSR during the first five year plan. It is when Soviet trade fell apart in 1933-1934 that it became more insular. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:02 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 12:58
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again with the American exceptionalism where all history comes from interactions with and through the US Deng’s economic views were heavily influenced by the East Asian Tigers - look at the SEZs and his relationship with LKY. As a minor consequence of XJP’s clique taking over (and LKY passing), China’s relationship with Singapore has floundered
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Mar 14, 2021 13:49
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shrike82 posted:
- is a mode of production the result of objective historical forces or the subjective choice of governments? second thing -- american leftists will see bargaining for better wages or benefits at a firm as a good thing, but labor has been divided internationally for centuries between rich and poor countries, between "maker" countries and "taker" countries, between colonizers and the colonized (which was imposed by armed force). inequality between countries. china was one of those colonized countries. but for some reason, china breaking out of that, becoming an independent country, and developing and matching the western countries is irrelevant to "leftist" politics. we can just sit back like comfy aristocrats and wave that away as not mattering at all, like "pfah!" - doesn't that go both ways? the ROC still claims the mainland - not my place to weigh in. i hope they work it out. i don't think china should bully vietnam or anything - i don't think any of our half-baked goon opinions will sway the outcome of a war between the U.S. and china lmao. or guessing that the U.S. would get its rear end beat is a betrayal of "leftist principles." it'd be funny if we had that power though. like, they say they'll get beat and that's why they need more weapons, and they're motivated because they want more weapons, but they might actually need more weapons. maybe, i dunno. "ah, but you're feeding into a narrative... actually that means you're on the same side as the military-industrial complex!" okay fine, sure. i love northrop grumman. lockheed martin pays me to shill and hype the china threat on the forums. i admit it! back to you, goonsir BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 14:25 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 14:17
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I’m just disappointed that leftists seem to give up all principles when it comes to China
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I got told to come here because people were denying genocide in a different thread. It's not okay to sterilize people no matter who they are and no matter who else does it.
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Mar 14, 2021 14:25
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In the first few decades, the cold war benefited both US and Soviet, because it forces peripheral territories sign up on team US and team Soviet. This is specially the case for Soviet grabbing underlings in East Europe and Asia. The cold war map only became unsustainable for the soviet empire in later stage and the Soviet ideologists lack the creativities to reinvent themselves. Keep in mind both world wars benefited the US greatly, it turned the US from a local factory into loving Amazon.com.
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Mar 14, 2021 14:49
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Relevant Tangent posted:China is literally sterilizing Uighur women as you read this and it's low to deny that.  it's just this guy again! gently caress off!
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Mar 14, 2021 15:07
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Relevant Tangent posted:I got told to come here because people were denying genocide in a different thread. It's not okay to sterilize people no matter who they are and no matter who else does it. CSPAM is the genocide denying subforum, you are looking for the GBS thread
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Mar 14, 2021 15:11
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the gbs thread is one of the most unhinged threads on this website. e: even the subtitle "the tankie who cried imperialism" is the kind of unjoke that only an elizabeth warren-rear end cia simp lib could write
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Mar 14, 2021 15:16
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Mantis42 posted:the gbs thread is one of the most unhinged threads on this website. it’s seemingly full of weirdos that have made hating china a core part of their personality
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Mar 14, 2021 15:23
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gradenko_2000 posted:
so are no sterilizations happening?
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Mar 14, 2021 15:25
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it's almost like shitlib woke foreign policy is the modern equivalent to 19th century "mission to civilize" bullshit, and is used in the same way to provide an acceotable smokescreen for virulent racism
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Mar 14, 2021 15:26
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Relevant Tangent posted:so are no sterilizations happening? zenz was claiming that uyghur women were being forced to get on average 4 iuds a day, every day
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Mar 14, 2021 15:28
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Relevant Tangent posted:so are no sterilizations happening? my mom got sterilized. not in xinjiang tho
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Mar 14, 2021 15:30
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