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JollyBoyJohn posted:i bought Fallout 3 on release on 360 and put maybe 70 or 80 hours into it, I had a terrific time, I've went back and mucked about on PC but never really doing anything past the Broken Steel DLC That's because Fallout 3 is designed to be a series of moments randomly scattered around the map.
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Mar 14, 2021 16:01
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Phigs posted:That's because Fallout 3 is designed to be a series of moments randomly scattered around the map. That's all Bethesda games. And the more you avoid the badly written main stories the more fun you will have.
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PinheadSlim posted:Bethesda took what was a very minor theme from the first two and blew it out of proportion for 3 and 4 This strange attempt at gatekeeping is made weirder that you don't seem to recognize a) 50s design in everything including the goddamn hud, the vault boy, the power armor, the vault - everything in that game b) missing that 50s being the start of the nuclear arms race c) the lead art designer literally telling you about how he came up with the 50s thing here and how it was the main theme I just don't know why you would think this is bethesda coming up with that. It's what gave fallout it unique flavor - postapo 50s with mad-max mixed in. Flannelette posted:The original ones had 1950/sci-fi style but it was only before the war and then everything is just wasteland style with busted 1950s style stuff and new stuff that isn't. Vic fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 17:17
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They never played the first two games, It's sort of obvious
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Mar 14, 2021 17:40
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Vic posted:I just don't know why you would think this is bethesda coming up with that. It's what gave fallout it unique flavor - postapo 50s with mad-max mixed in. It's not about bethesda coming up with it. It's about A Kiss To Build A Dream On being used for a massive tonal shift in the intro to Fallout 2 where it's played right before everyone who listened to it got gunned down mercilessly by the Enclave, with that music never used again because the wasteland is now established as an unforgiving shitworld, and then bethesda was like "what if we just ignored that because BIG IRON is funny"
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Mar 14, 2021 17:54
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the liberty prime segment seemed really funny in a cynical late 90s kind of way that would have fit in with the original games but couldn’t really have been represented in their engine in any way anyways i don’t want to sound like some kind of nerd gatekeeper but i started worrying about fallout 4 when it was advertised heavily during important NFL games with ads that were basically a slow zoom out of a garage with a set of power armor. strong “this game is so manly bruh” energy
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Mar 14, 2021 17:56
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The 50's theme was mostly in UI stuff in FO1, and a relatively minor theme. The 'aesthetic' was very much Mad Max 2 for all the terrain, buildings, spritework, weapons, factions, dialogue, etc. So you're both right, now poo poo up. edit: I'm not fixing that typo
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Mar 14, 2021 17:58
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Serephina posted:now poo poo up. the gently caress do you think I'm doing
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Mar 14, 2021 17:59
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Big iron is obsidian, and the 50's aesthetic is all over 1 and 2, the graphics are just zoomed out and more primitive. Look at the highway man, or the billboard for nuka cola in the boneyard, or nuka cola bottles themselves. Accusing bethesda of being obsessed with 50's aesthetic is asinine when they've only used recreated assets from the first two games, their own oc blade runner factions, or generic wasteland aesthetic. Sorry they included a radio station to listen to I guess.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:00
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No, poo poo up stupid
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Mar 14, 2021 18:02
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signalnoise posted:It's not about bethesda coming up with it. It's about A Kiss To Build A Dream On being used for a massive tonal shift in the intro to Fallout 2 where it's played right before everyone who listened to it got gunned down mercilessly by the Enclave, with that music never used again because the wasteland is now established as an unforgiving shitworld, and then bethesda was like "what if we just ignored that because BIG IRON is funny" What are y'all smoking? Big Iron is from New Vegas and is about loving cowboys because of the western theme. It wasn't even made by Bethesda. Fallout one starts with a 1940s song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp2Hwi9qM48 The dichotomy of 50s boom and optimism cut short by thermonuclear war is big letters on the loving tin of original fallout games.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:04
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not having a retro future aesthetic in a fallout game is like not having demons in a doom game.
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Gaius Marius posted:Big iron is obsidian, and the 50's aesthetic is all over 1 and 2, the graphics are just zoomed out and more primitive. Look at the highway man, or the billboard for nuka cola in the boneyard, or nuka cola bottles themselves. Accusing bethesda of being obsessed with 50's aesthetic is asinine when they've only used recreated assets from the first two games, their own oc blade runner factions, or generic wasteland aesthetic. Yeah, no poo poo the aesthetic is there, that isn't the problem. It's never been a problem. 50's stuff is all over, no one has a problem with that being the aesthetic. The problem is going from a bleak as gently caress game with occasional comedic relief to a comedy game peppered with occasional bleakness Vic posted:What are y'all smoking? Big Iron is from New Vegas and is about loving cowboys because of the western theme. It wasn't even made by Bethesda. You got me Vic, the entire point was absolutely hinged on which song came from which game signalnoise fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 18:06
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signalnoise posted:Yeah, no poo poo the aesthetic is there, that isn't the problem. It's never been a problem. 50's stuff is all over, no one has a problem with that being the aesthetic. The problem is going from a bleak as gently caress game with occasional comedic relief to a comedy game peppered with occasional bleakness PinheadSlim posted:The whole 50s obsession is a Bethesda thing, not an original fallout thing PinheadSlim posted:The whole 50s obsession is a Bethesda thing, not an original fallout thing PinheadSlim posted:The whole 50s obsession is a Bethesda thing, not an original fallout thing PinheadSlim posted:The whole 50s obsession is a Bethesda thing, not an original fallout thing PinheadSlim posted:The whole 50s obsession is a Bethesda thing, not an original fallout thing signalnoise posted:Yeah, no poo poo the aesthetic is there, that isn't the problem. It's never been a problem. 50's stuff is all over,no one has a problem with that being the aesthetic. The problem is going from a bleak as gently caress game with occasional comedic relief to a comedy game peppered with occasional bleakness Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 18:11
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Yall have no sense of balance
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If you nuke something it becomes mad max themed by default i mean what the gently caress This is some kind of mass delusion thing going on
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Mar 14, 2021 18:14
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Reading the Unpopular Videogame Opinions thread almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
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Mar 14, 2021 18:15
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I can admit to not reading PinheadSlim's post, that's dumb as poo poo My point stands, in my opinion the 3D Fallouts threw the balance of bleak to comedy entirely out of whack even compared to Fallout 2, and I don't have a problem with tossing NV in there with them.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:16
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I could accept that, I feel like F3 is so generally stupid that everything sort of hits a groove I accept, whereas F2 vacillates between super serious, Oh know the Tribes been kidnapped, and "Yo bro wanna play Tragic the Gathering and eat some Cheez Curls?" that it's impossible to take it seriously.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:21
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Excelzior posted:Reading the Unpopular Videogame Opinions thread almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter I love this thread
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Mar 14, 2021 18:22
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signalnoise posted:You got me Vic, the entire point was absolutely hinged on which song came from which game signalnoise posted:It's not about bethesda coming up with it. It's about A Kiss To Build A Dream On being used for a massive tonal shift in the intro to Fallout 2 where it's played right before everyone who listened to it got gunned down mercilessly by the Enclave, with that music never used again because the wasteland is now established as an unforgiving shitworld, and then bethesda was like "what if we just ignored that because BIG IRON is funny" What are you even saying? Watching you try to make a point is like watching my nephew lick their elbow EDIT: Oh sorry there we go: signalnoise posted:I can admit to not reading PinheadSlim's post, that's dumb as poo poo I guess the whole weird mannequin face staring at you trying to emote throws any attempt at seriousness into garbage by default. All the fallout 1 jokes were in the text dialogue and the world itself was played pretty straight. Also there was not a lot of text in Fallout in general. Vic fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 18:25
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war... war never changes.
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Gaius Marius posted:I could accept that, I feel like F3 is so generally stupid that everything sort of hits a groove I accept, whereas F2 vacillates between super serious, Oh know the Tribes been kidnapped, and "Yo bro wanna play Tragic the Gathering and eat some Cheez Curls?" that it's impossible to take it seriously. Yeah I appreciate contrast a lot. The tonal shift in Fallout 2's intro is good, just like YAKUZA, JOLLYBOYJOHN, YAKUZA! where they swing between very serious melodrama and sidequests and minigames that are drat near a parody of the reset of the game. Bethesda games turn everything into a tonal smudge. In Elder Scrolls they try to stick to serious and fail miserably at it because the games are broken in a way that I could call the contrast "emergent comedy" or something, but they simply cannot maintain any sense of urgency or gravity for the story. In Fallout 3, they smudged the comedy element across the whole game in addition to being bad at being serious. New Vegas tried harder to have some contrast, but ultimately landed on Benny. Anyways if this is my unpopular videogame opinion, so be it
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Mar 14, 2021 18:30
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Vic posted:Yes literally: He's just rattled from me dunking on Yakuza again
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Vic posted:What are you even saying? Watching you try to make a point is like watching my nephew lick their elbow I fully accept that this is who you are
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Mar 14, 2021 18:31
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signalnoise posted:I fully accept that this is who you are We got ourselves a fallout, people
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Mar 14, 2021 18:35
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Fallout is dead. Long live Wasteland
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Even though I own an original boxed copy of Fallout, complete with the spiral bound instruction manual and tasty Sugar Bombs recipe, it's game play mechanics are very clumsy by today's standards.
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I can vibe with that, I feel the exact opposite, F2 was so jokey that by the time I got to San Fran I just shot everysingle fucker in my path until I got to the end. F3 was a little too jokey but NV I felt struck a good balance tango alpha delta posted:Even though I own an original boxed copy of Fallout, complete with the spiral bound instruction manual and tasty Sugar Bombs recipe, it's game play mechanics are very clumsy by today's standards. I think they hold up pretty well once you get to say the Hub, the opening can feel really rough though
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I am looking forward to the SaGa Frontier remaster
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Gaius Marius posted:I can vibe with that, I feel the exact opposite, F2 was so jokey that by the time I got to San Fran I just shot everysingle fucker in my path until I got to the end. F3 was a little too jokey but NV I felt struck a good balance I played the original Fallout 2 without all the fan patches required to make it not completely busted, so I just remember it as the completely broken Fallout game where they seemed to have spent all their time adding lame jokes to everything rather than get anything actually working.
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signalnoise posted:I am looking forward to the SaGa Frontier remaster I don't know why but I am as well despite not understanding a single thing about that game as a kid, which didnt stop me from getting the sequel either lol
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That loving Sned posted:Mods are good when they aren't creepy or being exploited by publishers. I completed MGSV 100% on PS4, but I could've saved hours on the PC version by using the Infinite Heaven mod to skip the minute-long helicopter ride at the start of every mission. my take is a little different, if mods want to be gross then more power to them. i wont necessarily be interesting in PLAYING it but i strongly encourage using art as an outlet for your most hosed up imaginings my little pony fallout is magic? keep rockin in the free world brother just keep that poo poo far away from me
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Fur20 posted:my little pony fallout is magic? keep rockin in the free world brother just keep that poo poo far away from me I am far more okay with people wanting to virtual gently caress cartoon ponies than I am with people wanting to virtual gently caress dismembered women
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signalnoise posted:I am far more okay with people wanting to virtual gently caress cartoon ponies than I am with people wanting to virtual gently caress dismembered women I know I skimmed some of the posts this morning, but was this a thing or are you bringing it up apropos of nothing?
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Meme Poker Party posted:I know I skimmed some of the posts this morning, but was this a thing or are you bringing it up apropos of nothing? Mentioned earlier that I was banned from fallout nexus for calling out a mod with this kind of poo poo as bad
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Mar 14, 2021 19:25
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signalnoise posted:Mentioned earlier that I was banned from fallout nexus for calling out a mod with this kind of poo poo as bad As much as I love good mods, the modding community is the absolute worst. So many weirdos. Even with the good mods, the creators are usually extremely fragile towards any feedback and good mods often die out because the author throws a tantrum and forbids anyone to continue working on the mod. I'm my mind, modding should be an open source activity. Especially in Skyrim where combatibility with other mods is an important aspect.
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video games and open source have never mixed and they look to never will (cuz a lotta open source is explicitly corporate funded for strategic reasons, and video game peeps dont have permanent relations to each other or enough business customers for this to ever make sense) linux and bsd wouldnt be nearly as popular if the goog, intel, amd and others didnt wanna gank microsoft and apple
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