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Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

milton friedman just outright tells you not to worry about any of his poo poo being true

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VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

GWBBQ posted:

700,000+ Visa transactions or 55,280 hours of watching YouTube.

That's one Bitcoin transaction not even mining a whole BTC

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

FFT posted:

re: crypto: remember that there's a poo poo-ton of implicit waste because there's no guarantee that X watts = Y butts

whatever the yearly figure of energy expenditure is, maybe a millionth of that was successfully used for actually getting bitcoins and the rest was just entropy

probably extremely less than a millionth tbh

A single Raspberry Pi could handle Bitcoin transactions, so it’s like one third of one billionth.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Nothus posted:

You're assuming that effectiveness matters. It doesn't.

I had a guaranteed military sale with ED 209!
Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not?

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/1370447003914735616

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Platystemon posted:

A single Raspberry Pi could handle Bitcoin transactions, so it’s like one third of one billionth.

Someone hacked an NES to handle it back in the day. The actual transaction part of bitcoin is tiny. All this surplus is busy work to prevent transactions from happening too fast.

Lady Militant
Apr 8, 2020

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

The Oldest Man posted:

Neoliberalism is literally a religion and the only difference between the Austrian school and the rest of them are that at least the Austrians loving admit they don't believe in empiricism. The rest just lie.

lmao what the gently caress i didn't know that they denied the existence of empirical evidence

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord

Lady Militant posted:

lmao what the gently caress i didn't know that they denied the existence of empirical evidence

praxeology is an explicit rejection of both empiricism and also the very concept of involuntary human behavior, which is why its perfect for economics

Lady Militant
Apr 8, 2020

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Malleum posted:

praxeology is an explicit rejection of both empiricism and also the very concept of involuntary human behavior, which is why its perfect for economics

im just floored at what economics gets away with. as an engineer if i tried to pull even 1/10th of that poo poo id be laughed out of the discipline

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Lady Militant posted:

im just floored at what economics gets away with. as an engineer if i tried to pull even 1/10th of that poo poo id be laughed out of the discipline

There's a joke that states that if we took all of the economists in the world and lined them up end to end, they still couldn't reach a conclusion.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Lady Militant posted:

im just floored at what economics gets away with. as an engineer if i tried to pull even 1/10th of that poo poo id be laughed out of the discipline

Austrian economics is a joke even among Chicago school types.

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Lady Militant posted:

im just floored at what economics gets away with. as an engineer if i tried to pull even 1/10th of that poo poo id be laughed out of the discipline

"Austrians argue that empirical data itself is insufficient to describe economics; that consequently empirical data cannot falsify economic theory; that logical positivism cannot predict or explain human action; and that the methodological requirements of logical positivism are impossible to obtain for economic questions."

and this is the branch of 'science' that our leaders believe, lmao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous

these principles don't explain what we can empirically observe, ergo empirical observation is wrong

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

bagual posted:

these principles don't explain what we can empirically observe, ergo empirical observation is wrong

maybe this theory is broken? no, reality is wrong!

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Austrian economics are a religion, it’s really weird

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

https://voyagerstation.com/



Whitey's on the moon.

Elman has issued a correction as of 00:12 on Mar 15, 2021

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


that’ll never be built

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


hobbesmaster posted:

that’ll never be built

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Austrian economics is a joke even among Chicago school types.

Yeah Austrianism is good fodder for making fun of but I don't think any government takes it seriously as a source of practical knowledge. It's a politic for petit bourgeoisie to scream about taxes and gold standards, not for the truly powerful.

Still very loving funny though.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the austrians are, through hayek, foundational to the neoliberal revolution lol

it does bear noting that their skepticism of positivism in the social sciences is reasonable, though - there's really a whole host of issues with the perspective

Line Feed
Sep 7, 2012

Seeds taste better with friends.

ur telling me the country that gave us the habsburgs also gave us dumb capitalist poo poo

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

lmao

just one of their habitation modules is bigger than the entire ISS, and they're talking about having 24 of those modules. not to mention that giant rear end ring

imagine thinking a private company could actually build that and make a profit doing it

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Main Paineframe posted:

lmao

just one of their habitation modules is bigger than the entire ISS, and they're talking about having 24 of those modules. not to mention that giant rear end ring

imagine thinking a private company could actually build that and make a profit doing it

since when does "actually making a profit" matter to corporations? just get as incestuously connected with senators and defense contractors as you possibly can, and make your company big enough that going bankrupt would leave ~20k people unemployed, and you're permanently Too Big To Fail so you get bailed out no matter how much money you spend on dumb poo poo (or just give yourself a big check and say you spent it on dumb poo poo, occasionally launch some empty heavy-cargo rockets of scrap metal into the ocean.)

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Austrian economics isn’t even the worst thing to come out of Austria in the twentieth century.

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
They are a nation that produces artists thats true.

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

the investment site is wild https://netcapital.com/companies

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/SamMillman/status/1370949095867568128?s=19


Edit lol

https://twitter.com/DionRealEstate/status/1370994511883595779?s=19

A Bakers Cousin has issued a correction as of 04:52 on Mar 15, 2021

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Platystemon posted:

Austrian economics isn’t even the worst thing to come out of Austria in the twentieth century.

They did bring us the New Austrian Tunneling Method though.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005


That seems very illegal to me, but then again it is in America.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

V. Illych L. posted:

the austrians are, through hayek, foundational to the neoliberal revolution lol

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Austrian economics is a joke even among Chicago school types.

It's actually foundational to what they believe, they just choose to wrap it in a veneer of bullshit methodologically unsound "science" that inevitably terminates in overthrowing latin american countries or intentionally driving climate change because my peer reviewed paper says that's the way that you make freedom number bigger.

Here's some cool beans "science" that chicago school dipshits have literally won the notnobel prize in economics for

quote:

According to the original formulation of DICE, staying below the 2°C as agreed by the Paris agreement would cost more in mitigation investments than would be saved in damage from climate change. An updated damage function revised this conclusion, showing that a warming of around 2°C would be "optimal", depending on the climate sensitivity to greenhouse gases.[35]

Wow! Endorsing climate genocide? Sign me the gently caress up!

quote:

The nudge theory can also be applied to fundraising. Nudge theory can help to increase donor contributions, increase continuous donations from the same individual and help to entice new donors to give.[33] There are some simple strategies used when applying nudge theory to this area.[33] The first strategy is to make giving easy. Creating default settings that automatically enrol a donor for continuous giving or prompts them to give every so often encourages individuals to continue giving. The second strategy to increase donors is to make giving more enticing. Some ways to do this involves increasing a person’s motivation to give through rewards, personalized messages or focusing on their interests. Personalized messages,[34] small thank you gifts,[33] and demonstrating the impact one’s donation can have on others, has been shown to be more effective when increasing donations,.[35][36] Another strategy helpful to increasing donors is using social influence. People are very influenced by group norms.[37] By allowing donors to become visible to the public and increasing their identifiability, other individuals will be more inclined to give as they conform to the social norms around them.[33] Using peer effects has been shown to increase donations.[38] Finally, timing is important. Many studies have demonstrated that there are specific times when individuals are more likely to give,[39] for example during holidays.

Although many nudging theories have been useful to increase donations and donors, many scholars question the ethics of using such techniques on the population.[40] Ruehle et. al, state one has to always consider an individual’s autonomy when designing nudges for a fundraising campaign (2020). They state that that the power of others behind messaging and potentially intrusive prompting can cause concern and can be seen as manipulative of donor’s autonomy.[40]

This motherfucker designed the way political campaigns grift plebs for money now!

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Beginning in the 1960s, Eugene Fama and several collaborators demonstrated that stock prices are extremely difficult to predict in the short run, and that new information is very quickly incorporated into prices. These findings not only had a profound impact on subsequent research but also changed market practice. The emergence of so-called index funds in stock markets all over the world is a prominent example.

If prices are nearly impossible to predict over days or weeks, then shouldn’t they be even harder to predict over several years? The answer is no, as Robert Shiller discovered in the early 1980s. He found that stock prices fluctuate much more than corporate dividends, and that the ratio of prices to dividends tends to fall when it is high, and to increase when it is low. This pattern holds not only for stocks, but also for bonds and other assets.

One approach interprets these findings in terms of the response by rational investors to uncertainty in prices. High future returns are then viewed as compensation for holding risky assets during unusually risky times. Lars Peter Hansen developed a statistical method that is particularly well suited to testing rational theories of asset pricing. Using this method, Hansen and other researchers have found that modifications of these theories go a long way toward explaining asset prices.

Another approach focuses on departures from rational investor behavior. So-called behavioral finance takes into account institutional restrictions, such as borrowing limits, which prevent smart investors from trading against any mispricing in the market.

We should eliminate financial regulation and leverage restrictions because that makes asset prices bad and wrong. My model says so, and models are never wrong!

quote:

Human capital is the stock of habits, knowledge, social and personality attributes (including creativity) embodied in the ability to perform labour so as to produce economic value.[1]

Human capital is unique and differs from any other capital. It is needed by companies to achieve goals, develop and remain innovative. Companies can invest in human capital, for example, through education and training, enabling improved levels of quality and production.[2]

Human capital theory is closely associated with the study of human resources management, as found in the practice of business administration and macroeconomics.

It's literally Human Capital Theory.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

withak posted:

They did bring us the New Austrian Tunneling Method though.

The world told Austria “keep digging” and they did.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Now that’s some fuckin cyberpunk dystopia right there.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It would only be appropriate if an airship ran aground on a structure called “The Reef”.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




whats the light for? nuisance?

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
Companies can invest in human capital by maintaining minimum air volumes per worker in enclosed spaces and optimizing calorie availability to their work forces.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Real hurthling! posted:

whats the light for? nuisance?

advertising lol

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
profitable nuisance.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
one thing I like about Alaska: billboards are illegal.

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Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

V. Illych L. posted:

the austrians are, through hayek, foundational to the neoliberal revolution lol

it does bear noting that their skepticism of positivism in the social sciences is reasonable, though - there's really a whole host of issues with the perspective

Even Hayek was literally an Austrian economist that has a libertarian bent, isn’t really an “Austrian economist”, he was okay with things like a 40 hour work week, welfare, and taxes. Actual Austrians by definition got into really weird poo poo like explicit anti-empiricism which he didn’t.

He was basically compared to most libertarians just a relatively moderate free market that realized you need some sort of social democracy structure for it to not come crumbling down. I think in his case growing up between Hitler and Stalin and having to flee Europe kinda broke his brain on any policy was called socialism.

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