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silicone thrills posted:Same thing happened in WA. He won it in 2016, lost it in 2020. In 2016 I hosted parties and they sent me free stuff to give out to people to get people pumped about volunteering and poo poo and in 2020, a month out from our vote date and with people already having their ballots in hand because we're all mail in voting, I would have had to go online to buy anything to use for canvassing on my own. Obviously COVID was a factor but there was literally ZERO utilization of people like me. I tried to get on the dialer a few times but it felt like it was pretty hosed up. There was a bunch of time waster poo poo like "become a super volunteer manager!" or some poo poo they invited me to but it was like 16 hours of bullshit and then the campaign officially gave up like a week later anyway. it's insane that they had a better campaign structure in 2016, the election where Bernie was running purely as a protest opposition up until late 2015, than they did in 2020. he had years of lead up time, what the gently caress were any of these people doing?
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I would say its the fault of our corporate media telling people what to think. They didn't really have to try to sink Bernie this time but if they had to it would have been a sight to behold
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Nichael posted:do you know how long they were in poor areas around you? because from what I understand, they had essentially no presence in SC and barely any infrastructure for the primaries after SC. a good bit, but those don't matter in the general because Jesus, if you aren't bringing them Christian Sharia it does not matter what you hand them economically. you'd have to do with the governor of the great state of LA did, progressive economics and aggressively anti abortion and pro traditional families/gender roles. if you aren't going to give them the social issues medical and paychecks won't get you anywhere.
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MysteriousStranger posted:Agreed but that is the fault of the left, and not Sanders or even the Democrats. And that fault is entirely because the labor left prior to the 70s was a bunch of chuds who will not support anything that doesn't roll back civil rights and the sexual revolution. Only time and demographics will change that. what the gently caress are you even saying at this point
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The difference in how the media treated Bernie was insane. He's an old man and he shouts so much! Meanwhile Bloodeye'd Biden who couldn't make a coherent comeback to being against busing. The Mike Pence fly situation was talked about more by the media than ol blood eye and his weird rear end stories about black children touching his hairy white legs. silicone thrills has issued a correction as of 21:50 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 21:41
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silicone thrills posted:The difference in how the media treated Bernie was insane. He's an old man and he shouts so much! Don't forget how working at a public pool frequented by black people letting him learn a lot about cockroaches
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Mar 14, 2021 21:46
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MysteriousStranger posted:a good bit, but those don't matter in the general because Jesus, if you aren't bringing them Christian Sharia it does not matter what you hand them economically. you'd have to do with the governor of the great state of LA did, progressive economics and aggressively anti abortion and pro traditional families/gender roles. if you aren't going to give them the social issues medical and paychecks won't get you anywhere. Are you just copy/pasting posts from 2015 or something?
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John_A_Tallon posted:Given how quickly people seem to defect when they are presented with the opportunity, are you sure that "normal people" aren't actually the Aristotelian monsters and the superwealthy that exploit everyone aren't just the natural end-game for humans? What if "capitalism" is the natural state of humanity that everyone wants deep down and is fruitless to struggle against, wouldn't that be convenient
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Lib and let die posted:Don't forget how working at a public pool frequented by black people letting him learn a lot about cockroaches remember when he said part of campaigning in black areas was learning to 'not react to a cockroach crawling on you' because obviously it's just normal to black people to have roaches actively crawling over your body constantly and if he jumped or flicked it off they'd obviously be offended. Weird how we didn't even kinda talk about how hosed up that is
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Even though Bernie became a cuck, things like this wouldn't have happened without him.
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sexpig by night posted:remember when he said part of campaigning in black areas was learning to 'not react to a cockroach crawling on you' because obviously it's just normal to black people to have roaches actively crawling over your body constantly and if he jumped or flicked it off they'd obviously be offended. He knows the difference between white kids and poor kids.
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sexpig by night posted:remember when he said part of campaigning in black areas was learning to 'not react to a cockroach crawling on you' because obviously it's just normal to black people to have roaches actively crawling over your body constantly and if he jumped or flicked it off they'd obviously be offended. Frankly shocked the NYT even reported on "Poor kids are as bright as white kids" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/joe-biden-poor-kids.html but wait quote:Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. raised eyebrows on Thursday during a speech in Iowa when he said that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids,” an apparent gaffe for a Democratic presidential candidate whose record on race has come under intense scrutiny during the primary. ITS ALWAYS JUST A GAFFE - Not that he's a racist rear end in a top hat and he really thinks and talks like this about everything having to do with class or race.
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sexpig by night posted:nah Clyburn was never gonna endorse him and he's the kingmaker there. He coulda played for 2nd harder but it was always Joe's state. I haven't been able to find the video again, but there's one of Bernie and all the Dem Congress-critters at the DC JFK Center back around 2018 and Clyburn sorta tries to escape notice when Bernie arrives. Then when Bernie approaches, Clyburn recoils before Bernie strongarms him into an embrace while trying to act like they were good friends Between that and all the other stuff like throwing Teachout under the bus for her Biden op-ed.... so many warnings
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really queer Christmas posted:She's running for the special election right now oh yah I forgot she's running for fudge's seat.
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silicone thrills posted:Frankly shocked the NYT even reported on "Poor kids are as bright as white kids" same energy as when they throw out "controversial" in response to some shithead hollering about how all transpeople must die
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Nichael posted:it's insane that they had a better campaign structure in 2016, the election where Bernie was running purely as a protest opposition up until late 2015, than they did in 2020. he had years of lead up time, what the gently caress were any of these people doing? i'm going to make a big assumption that his 2016 campaign had a larger percentage of "true believer" folks who actually wanted to get poo poo done while his 2020 campaign was filled with people there for a paycheck at best and personally hostile toward his politics at worst
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Nichael posted:One thing he could've done was talk to older black people in South Carolina. As far as I understand, they barely had an operation there, when that kind of outreach should've been ongoing since November 9th, 2016. I heard this a lot. But I also heard that he had a large operation there. I really ahve no idea how to find the truth, or how do you prove the counter-factual that no matter what he did it wasn't enough.
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paranoid randroid posted:iran might nuke someone because theyre just so gosh darn irrational. im very woke. Look, I don't like having to point this out... but they've got the islam
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MysteriousStranger posted:Sanders in the primary Biden in the general. I also knew that Sanders was over at that point but oh well. ahahahaha "socialists hate minorities, also I voted BIden" lmfao
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silicone thrills posted:Frankly shocked the NYT even reported on "Poor kids are as bright as white kids" This rant should have given someone all they needed to know about his view on race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsq30E6OSVU It's pretty funny that Trump is objectively less racist than Joe Biden
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silicone thrills posted:I kind of feel like its moronic to go after the primary win in states that a DEM hasn't won for president since i've been alive. I think the way the dem primary is structured you have no hope if you don't have early momentum. The news coverage, the narrative, the respected party elders saying that we need to unify behind the nominee etc etc.
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MysteriousStranger posted:Sanders in the primary Biden in the general. lmao
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Atrocious Joe posted:please source your quotes It sounds almost exactly like what blackguy32/zoux/etc were saying in 2016.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I think the way the dem primary is structured you have no hope if you don't have early momentum. The news coverage, the narrative, the respected party elders saying that we need to unify behind the nominee etc etc. lmao he won 3/4 of the first states. SC was the first stumble and it was like. ok. Dems never win there anyway???
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silicone thrills posted:lmao he won 3/4 of the first states. SC was the first stumble and it was like. ok. Dems never win there anyway??? yeah the bigger issue was that he'd been doing well and the media absolutely refused to acknowledge it and actively worked to lessen the impact of those wins in voters' minds
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:they should be ignored because they're MIGF 
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Nichael posted:One thing he could've done was talk to older black people in South Carolina. As far as I understand, they barely had an operation there, when that kind of outreach should've been ongoing since November 9th, 2016. And say what Its not like they didn't know bernie's platform or trumps, for that matter
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the dem primary/our presidential elections were made so long to drag out the grift and fundraising but it coincidentally lets you have plenty of time to rig the election by influencing the voters with a multi-billion dollar lie machine
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Doctor Jeep posted:what organization is that, don't tell me there's an LLC solely dedicated to running that twitter account or something lol sorry, I hadn't opened this thread since yesterday: as far as I realize, it's not a real organization in that sense at all. it's a bunch of dudes who refer to themselves as neoliberal unironically and unabashedly and get together and talk about these things in a way that would make this thread have a stroke
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silicone thrills posted:lmao he won 3/4 of the first states. SC was the first stumble and it was like. ok. Dems never win there anyway??? Winning the first 3 isn't a guarantee as evidence in 2020. But losing the first 4 to focus on sates like california etc doesn't get you anything either. Anyway, Bernie shouldn't have dropped out.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I heard this a lot. But I also heard that he had a large operation there. I really ahve no idea how to find the truth, or how do you prove the counter-factual that no matter what he did it wasn't enough. Yeah, I really don't know for certain what his operation was like. But I do think the lead up before he actually announced was largely wasted (late 2016 through late 2018). Oh Snapple! posted:i'm going to make a big assumption that his 2016 campaign had a larger percentage of "true believer" folks who actually wanted to get poo poo done while his 2020 campaign was filled with people there for a paycheck at best and personally hostile toward his politics at worst I think this is true. mastershakeman posted:And say what
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MysteriousStranger posted:Sanders in the primary Biden in the general. I also knew that Sanders was over at that point but oh well. Sanders in the streets, Biden in the sheets.
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Good soup! posted:Sanders in the streets, Biden in the sheets. me to my fiance quickly before not being able to sleep in bed that night: listen, gay
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Salean posted:if he wasnt willing to call joe on his lifetime of being trash, bernie wasnt ever going to win or get a fraction of what he talked about done a big revelation for me is that Bernie's actions since last year are reflective of what his presidency would've been like. for example, was he actually going to meaningfully oppose people like Carper, Coons, Manchin, Sinema, etc? Or was he just going to play nice as they dumpstered anything his administration needed Congress for? (he was going to play nice, and suck off Tom Carper live on air in his first State of the Union)
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lol don't use the ignore list
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MysteriousStranger posted:you'll never know if it's true or I'm joking!~ *opens Leper's Colony to early March 2016* *throws dart at banlist* J...Jastiger?!?
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Good soup! posted:lol don't use the ignore list
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