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movax posted:https://www.anandtech.com/show/14043/upgrading-from-an-intel-core-i7-2600k-testing-sandy-bridge-in-2019 This was one of my favorite recent AnandTech articles -- probably another version but with... 6700Ks?  6700K crew checking in. I've been running this setup for 5+ years now and I think I can get a bit more out of it if I find a reasonable upgrade for my Nvidia 970.
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AT: Bench has some issues (the ram settings, the videocard used, the tests changing over time etc), so I wouldnt rely on it alone, but it certainly is a good "at a glance" resource.
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A Chinese site posted a review of the Rocket Lake six-core CPUs: http://zhongce.sina.com.cn/article/view/82766 If I use Techpowerup (*) as a source for getting some Cinebench R20 comparisons to existing CPUs: Single-thread pre:* Ryzen 5 5600X (stock): 601 i5-11600KF: 589 i5-11600KF OC'd to 4.8 GHz: 579 i5-11400F: 539 * i5-10600K OC'd to 4.9 GHz: 520 * Ryzen 5 3600 (stock): 487 * i5-10400F (2666 MHz RAM): 450 pre:i5-11600KF OC'd to 4.8 GHz: 4,454 * Ryzen 5 5600X (stock): 4,346 i5-11600KF: 4,267 i5-11400F: 3,951 * i5-10600K OC'd to 4.9 GHz: 3,904 * Ryzen 5 3600 (stock): 3,716 * i5-10400F (2666 MHz RAM): 3,180
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Cygni posted:the tests changing over time etc
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Hughmoris posted:
6700k and GTX1060 for lyfe  (literally)
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MikusR posted:When tests change they go into a separate category. The current "CPU 2021 Product Benchmarks" all use same test suite. Yeah I meant the tests change and they don’t retest every CPU. I get why they don’t, but it limits the usefulness of a “put everything on one list” system when you can’t put everything on one list anymore, but they broke that a few years ago. The whole thing likely needs some attention/love.
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~Coxy posted:When LGA came out everyone was scared shitless of bricking a mobo but I have never actually done it, including at least one time moving a mobo around without the little plastic covering in the CPU holder and another time where one of the screws holding the retention mechanism came all the way out so the CPU wasn't in properly. You're not likely to do it if you're being careful, but I've recovered several working PGA motherboards from e-waste bins. LGA motherboards have a very low survival rate if the processor is removed and not replaced with a blank because if anything at all lands on that open socket it's probably ruined. That is of course not going to be a priority for the manufacturers to care about but it's what I think about when comparing the two.
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I've been off-and-on shopping for a specific old 775 motherboard and when those are sold used, they almost always include some random P4 or Celeron because those are worth less and easier to find than the blanks
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Cygni posted:Yeah I meant the tests change and they don’t retest every CPU. I get why they don’t, but it limits the usefulness of a “put everything on one list” system when you can’t put everything on one list anymore, but they broke that a few years ago. The whole thing likely needs some attention/love. When tests change they do retest every cpu. Thats why there is CPU 2019 and CPU 2017. The current list CPU 2021 has 95 cpus freshly tested. https://www.anandtech.com/show/11425/launching-the-cpu-overload-project-testing-every-x86-desktop-processor-since-2010
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MikusR posted:When tests change they do retest every cpu. Thats why there is CPU 2019 and CPU 2017. The current list CPU 2021 has 95 cpus freshly tested. https://www.anandtech.com/show/11425/launching-the-cpu-overload-project-testing-every-x86-desktop-processor-since-2010 ...what? Like the linked article says, they want to run all of em in the latest tests, but they explicitly haven't because its insane. There are lots of parts that are only in the older test versions, which you see just by looking at the lists. Which is what I was talking about.
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Speaking of AT, they retested their 11700k with a newer microcode. Some small performance improvements, it is now very slightly faster than a 10700k instead of very slightly slower. Supposedly there are more microcode and BIOS changes still coming before the 30th, but AT at least doesn't think they will make much of a difference. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16549/rocket-lake-redux-0x34-microcode-offers-small-performance-gains-on-core-i711700k So if that makes the 11700 just a 10700 with PCIe 4, AVX-512, and TB4/USB4... I guess the question is how much of a price premium would you pay for that? Microcenter will sell you a 10700F for $219, or a 10700K for $239. The more performant 5800X is $430. Feel like the window is pretty tight for pricing if they actually want to sell any.
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Cygni posted:Speaking of AT, they retested their 11700k with a newer microcode. Some small performance improvements, it is now very slightly faster than a 10700k instead of very slightly slower. Supposedly there are more microcode and BIOS changes still coming before the 30th, but AT at least doesn't think they will make much of a difference. Microcenter pricing really isn’t representative of the market as a whole. I agree that the 11700 is in a tough spot, and likely to be uncompetitive unless they cut price a ton. The 11400 should be competitive because it’ll have to be cheap as hell to exist at all, and to boot it will be cooler because they’re not trying to beat anything in specific with it.
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Twerk from Home posted:Microcenter pricing really isn’t representative of the market as a whole. Well sure, but like 13 of the top 15 metros in the US have one which is like 2/3rds of the US pop, so I think it is a better barometer for the US landscape than MSRP or newegg/amazon is honestly. Microcenter is where AMD/Intel are really going tooth and nail on pricing, basically. Sorry Florida, maybe you will get a microcenter one day! (I am not cheerleading for Microcenter cause they sorta suck rear end, but at least they suck rear end and have good prices)
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Unlike Amazon and Newegg who don't suck rear end 
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Cygni posted:(I am not cheerleading for Microcenter cause they sorta suck rear end, but at least they suck rear end and have good prices) They are dead to me.... because they inexplicably closed their only Silicon Valley store many years ago (and their main competition, Fry's, finally decided to go out of business a few weeks ago, not that they've been worth going to for several years now)
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are they even halting 10th gen production? cuz like, 9th gen already has a discontinuation notice that went out in December of 2020, but the notice is only to announce that the last order date is for June 2021, and the final parts shipments to go out in December 2021 so there's presumably still going to be a lot of 10700s and 10850s floating around among the Rocket Lakes
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BobHoward posted:They are dead to me.... I was really salty about that too. Wonder if they’re planning to open more in the Bay Area now that Frys finally went tits-up.
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Cygni posted:Well sure, but like 13 of the top 15 metros in the US have one which is like 2/3rds of the US pop, so I think it is a better barometer for the US landscape than MSRP or newegg/amazon is honestly. Microcenter is where AMD/Intel are really going tooth and nail on pricing, basically. Phoenix also doesn't have a Microcenter. We had two Fry's, but not anymore!
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We had five Fry's in the SF Bay Area. We also had a Microcenter, but the lease ended like, 2015, and the owner declined to renew the option, and Microcenter went, "welp, peace." I'd say "RIP to a real one" WRT the Fry's, but considering that they were still parroting the "we've got a new local distributor!" even as late as THIS January when I swung by to grab some patch cables and keystone jacks, they were frontin' the whole way. Basically what I'm saying is "dear god please Microcenter come back, Central Computer is our only last recourse now, and they're not large to source components without going through a distributor". SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Central Computer also seems to be borderline scalping themselves and seems to be reserving anything more than a 3060 for their own prebuilts or full-build packages. They are giving periodic updates: https://www.centralcomputer.com/nvidia-30-series-information Also, not all Micro Centers are chill. One in Ohio put out directions that collapsible chairs and tents were not allowed, and if you left the line at all, for any reason, you lost your space. Unless they kept someone from the company there after hours there'd be no way to enforce that, but based on my own observation when I pulled an overnighter to snag my 3090, the last employee of the Fairfax VA store (presumably the manager on duty) didn't leave until a little before midnight. The 80Ti launch is probably going to be insane. I don't think it'll be next month, though.
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gradenko_2000 posted:are they even halting 10th gen production? I guess that would depend on what contracts they have with big customers to guarantee supply/replacement parts for specific SKUs, but it will probably take a while before the production has been entirely phased out.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:We had five Fry's in the SF Bay Area. We also had a Microcenter, but the lease ended like, 2015, and the owner declined to renew the option, and Microcenter went, "welp, peace." Oh yeah they were frontin'. I doubt they ever actually got back in the good graces of normal distributors. The last few times I went, there were so many barren aisles, and what they did have was weird brands you'd never heard of before. I don't understand how they stayed in business even before COVID, there's something shady about it IMO. Which fits because Fry's always was a little shady.
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BobHoward posted:I don't understand how they stayed in business even before COVID, there's something shady about it IMO. yeah absolutely, I completely don't get it. Their stores were barren since like beginning of 2018 at least, there were videos and discussions on forums at the time about "wtf is going on with fry's and the empty shelves". I literally have no idea what the angle there was but I always suspected there must be some kind of money laundering or embezzlement or something going on there, like maybe the CEO owned the real estate company or something and was using that to bleed fry's. that's just random speculation out my rear end but it's a weird as gently caress business decision to keep an insanely expensive big-box storefront open for three years, keep paying employees, and not have any loving poo poo on the shelves to sell, there had to have been a gimmick. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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BobHoward posted:They are dead to me.... How the gently caress does that make any sense.
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I've lived in tiny rural backwaters without a Microcenter for most of my life, like Austin, TX.
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Yeah, Fry's claimed over the last... year?, that they were working off consignment. As others have said, not sure what was going on, but it was still sad (to me) to see them go, since I have nostalgic memories from 20-25 years ago of going there to buy components when building/upgrading systems. I'd like to think that Microcenter would come to Phoenix, but I doubt they will at a time when online sales dominate so much.
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Twerk from Home posted:I've lived in tiny rural backwaters without a Microcenter for most of my life, like Austin, TX. There is one in Houston and one in Dallas I guess if you really really REALLY need to save $40 on a CPU (and spend it on gas instead)
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Cygni posted:There is one in Houston and one in Dallas I guess if you really really REALLY need to save $40 on a CPU (and spend it on gas instead) If you’re in Texas and want to be in Texas even more, those are certainly options.
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Wanna have some fun, have your mind blown, and/or be frightened - and if you like RISC/CISC stuff, how about Massive Instruction Set Computing? Poul Henning Kamp, who works on Varnish and FreeBSD, is working on an Ada-native Rational 1000 system (article translated with machine translation, but it does a pretty decent job).
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Intel's launch looks like it got moved to the 18th. It was originally rumored to be today. NDA is still the 30th-31st for performance numbers iirc: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-showcase-tiger-lake-h-and-rocket-lake-at-gdc-on-march-18th
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Paul MaudDib posted:maybe the CEO owned the real estate company or something and was using that to bleed fry's. The bolded part is true, they owned the real estate on all of their properties, anyway. Speaking of major metros that have never had a Micro Center, Seattle/Tacoma certainly qualifies. Now that Fry's is gone, there's gotta be some kind of clamoring for it here.
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Navaash posted:The bolded part is true, they owned the real estate on all of their properties, anyway. I wonder if it is similar to Vancouver BC where there are a lot of smaller independent computer hardware stores usually opened by immigrants from Hong Kong/Taiwan. There were so many of them here and NCIX was one that became the largest and killed off quite a few but some still survive. Perhaps Seattle has a similar ecosystem?
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Man, my 10900kf is so loving inconsistent on benchmarks and I can’t figure out why. It’s never cracking 80 degrees but it’ll swing by like 1500 points either way on cinebench r23 and I can’t figure out why.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Central Computer also seems to be borderline scalping themselves and seems to be reserving anything more than a 3060 for their own prebuilts or full-build packages. Central Computer claims that because they are not large enough to secure direct contracts from OEMs, they have to go through distributors, who are adding their own markup before it gets to Central. Between the 25% tarriff just for touching US soil, and then someone else getting a taste before selling it, yeah, that adds up to about what Central is selling it for. It burns, but they have them in stock, if you're willing to pay for it. Who knows if Central's parent company is the distributor or something, I'm sure there's *some* profit-taking going on.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Man, my 10900kf is so loving inconsistent on benchmarks and I can’t figure out why. It’s never cracking 80 degrees but it’ll swing by like 1500 points either way on cinebench r23 and I can’t figure out why. Normally its not a problem with K-skus because motherboards throw the Intel power suggestions in the garbage as soon as it detects one, but it might be enforcing the Intel TDP limits? Normally that sort of run to run variance is a sign that something is either triggering a cut in clocks, or a background process is doing something screwy and sapping performance.
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Cygni posted:Normally its not a problem with K-skus because motherboards throw the Intel power suggestions in the garbage as soon as it detects one, but it might be enforcing the Intel TDP limits? Normally that sort of run to run variance is a sign that something is either triggering a cut in clocks, or a background process is doing something screwy and sapping performance. I usually kill everything but the benchmarking and monitoring software (always something lightweight like GPU-Z or Coretemp) but I feel like I must be missing something in the background. The clock speeds are showing 5.1GHz without any drops if I run something that displays those. It’s gotta be some kind of software thing. I may just purge my boot drive and reinstall Windows in case I have something lurking there.
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Hm, you could also try the old benchmarker tricks of forcing performance mode in the Nvidia control panel and in the windows power plan settings, set the priority to "Realtime", and trying to lock the benchmarks' exe to a specific core. I've heard some of those tricks backfire with a 10900k though, cause of Intel's golden core and TVB settings they introduced on Comet Lake. 2nd and 3rd runs since a reboot tend to be the highest scoring, after that they normally regress a bit and plateau. 1500 points is outside the normal realm of variance though. Windows has a great many ways to screw up performance runs though. The people that go for world records often have benchmarker specific builds of Windows provided by manufacturers which are massively scrubbed of every possible service and driver stack.
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There's also the simple things like disabling NTP (any minute time adjustment will affect benchmarks), turning off clock fiddlers (ie. speedstep/turboboost; unless that's what you're testing), detaching all non-essential devices (as they generate variable amounts of interrupts), and temporarily turning off system logging.
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Newegg pre order prices: 11900k - $569 11700k - $429 11600k - $279 Unless they’ve got some spare performance under the table we haven’t seen, that’s gonna be a pass.
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