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mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Marx Headroom posted:

For real, he did almost no campaigning, especially compared to bernie. He was a joke in the debates. He had no outreach and in fact openly taunted his potential voting base. He had no flashy policies or bold proposals. His poll numbers were pathetic. Every drat thing we've been told is so important in electioneering didn't mean jack poo poo.

He didn't have campaign offices in half the super tuesday states he won

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

the big lesson of 2020 is that intangible support matters a lot more than money or even campaign infrastructure and biden being the only traditional democrat with clear intangible support makes him a lock for 2024 even if his brain is dribbling out of his ears

this was also the big lesson for republicans in 2016 and theyre stuck with trump now for the same reason the big difference being that people actually want trump to make a comeback nobody would have wanted to see biden in 2024 if he had lost and even now some democrats are impotently scheming to get rid of him a way that wont expose the entire 2020 primary as a fraud

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

wrong thread jackass

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

that's just an aimee terese ban evasion again, don't engage because she's a clout chasing contrarian moron

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

KomradeX posted:

Remember when his story about racist violence in Jim Crow Delaware was treated with Liberals pulling out all the stops to prove Cornpop was real and not that Biden threatened a guy with a chain for using the pool with product in his hair.

Corn Pop would have won.

u_s_eh
Feb 19, 2005

I AM ALL I AM NONE
bad day for this thread

do better

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Lol are you blaming everyone else for fox's daily coverage of dr suess?

i think that if fox wants people to talk about dr seuss you arent really owning them if you assist them in their goal of making it the national conversation

its a topic so dumb we arent even talking about it here the thread where we discuss the political makeup of mtg players

the 2016 lover
May 29, 2001

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fun Shoe
drat libs are dumb as dirt

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

fits my needs posted:

makes sense theres nazi gaming stores (mirthless) and commie gaming stores (sexpig)

The 2 genders.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

yeah instead of constantly outraging at "can you believe the conservatives are mad at dr. seuss and mr potato head???" and get sucked into the dipshit discourse maybe iunno, ignore it because it's dumb culture war bullshit that's been played out a bazillion times already? it's basically lady ghostbusters and new star wars again and before that it was teletubbies and maybe some other thing

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

yellowcar posted:

yeah instead of constantly outraging at "can you believe the conservatives are mad at dr. seuss and mr potato head???" and get sucked into the dipshit discourse maybe iunno, ignore it because it's dumb culture war bullshit that's been played out a bazillion times already? it's basically lady ghostbusters and new star wars again and before that it was teletubbies and maybe some other thing

seriously the culture war only exists because the dems keep taking the bait every time.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


Tag yourself to democratize yourself and face to griftshed

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

yellowcar posted:

yeah instead of constantly outraging at "can you believe the conservatives are mad at dr. seuss and mr potato head???" and get sucked into the dipshit discourse maybe iunno, ignore it because it's dumb culture war bullshit that's been played out a bazillion times already? it's basically lady ghostbusters and new star wars again and before that it was teletubbies and maybe some other thing

I know that someone somewhere was very seriously discussing mr potato head but I will never look up anything about it because it literally doesn't matter and never has, and never will same with Theodor Seuss's family of leeches or whatever someone on the internet thought about ghostbusters.

But the lack of those kinds of discussions are one of the reasons I liked Bernie especially in 2016. Where some bullshit would come up and liberals would pearl clutch about how bernie didn't have an official statement about the latest mundane occurrence in America as if that were some kind of condemnation while he was trying to push for Medicare and prison reform. It was gross then and the same playbook is gross now.

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Lol are you blaming everyone else for fox's daily coverage of dr suess?


Protip: don't let your enemies define the discourse.

ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 05:07 on Mar 15, 2021

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Lol she should just ask isri

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Love yelling "right wing talking point!" at people until it turns out I'm using right wing talking points to defend kids being in cages

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


sexpig by night posted:

seriously the culture war only exists because the dems keep taking the bait every time.

Nah, the culture wars exist because its the only issue thats allowed to be talked about because it doesn't effect anyones bottom line.

Talk about abortion, pro or con, as long as you don't talk about solutions to health care
Talk about the gays, as long as you don't talk about taxing the rich
Get angry and burn your nike's because of an add with kaepernik. They just get more sales, and at least you aren't talking about Wall street corruption.
Go talk about mr. potato head, just don't you dare talk about poverty.


For decades and decades its been the forefront for that reason. Its nice safe debates the little people can have that doesn't bring up wealth and class. Thats not to say there aren't important issues mixed in with the culture wars, very important issues, but they're just issues that don't cost anyone in charge any money. Abortion whether its legal or illegal isn't costing anyone money, and the wealthy will have it done anyways- its a poor person's problem.

Maybe we're seeing more and more dumb mr. potato head things because its getting harder and harder to ignore the big stuff so they need more chaff to throw up?

Tom Guycot has issued a correction as of 05:39 on Mar 15, 2021

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Homora Gaykemi posted:

Love yelling "right wing talking point!" at people until it turns out I'm using right wing talking points to defend kids being in cages

No these are different talking points about how it's unavoidable rather than being joyous. The action is what's the same.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Adjectivist Philosophy posted:

Imagine voting for Pelosi in the 90s b/c of single payer and only having to wait 60 years (fingers crossed!!) for healthcare

well by that time you get healthcare anyway assuming they don't get someone like Biden in there whose whole career has been about cutting programs like that

oops

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



https://twitter.com/ssumingfrog/status/1371295577389031424?s=20 jesus christ

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

pop culture poisoned brains are the best

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

there's gonna be 30 different streaming services with their own exclusive content and people will be posting references at each other and no one is gonna know who's talking about what

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Nichael posted:

Don't forget that Biden made a homophobic joke about the dude to initiate the whole exchange.

Jesus Christ I completely forgot that

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Adjectivist Philosophy posted:

Imagine voting for Pelosi in the 90s b/c of single payer and only having to wait 60 years (fingers crossed!!) for healthcare

hey there, don't get too hasty. we've got an election to win in 2052 and have to keep barron trump out of the white house.

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

yellowcar posted:

there's gonna be 30 different streaming services with their own exclusive content and people will be posting references at each other and no one is gonna know who's talking about what

zoomers apparently barely know how to torrent we really gotta pass this knowledge on more effectively

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

zoomers apparently barely know how to torrent we really gotta pass this knowledge on more effectively

Its kind of funny how quickly.pirating media became a forgotten method.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


https://twitter.com/shardreicer/status/1371265371987136513?s=20

lol

don't worry, your little lib brain. m4a is never happening.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Some Guy TT posted:

its worth remembering that bernie had the most money by far while up until south carolina biden was panhandling for donations which he almost immediately ended up blowing on jenis ice cream parties for the staff

any analysis of what bernie could have done better is missing the more substantial revelation that over the course of three days biden went from a joke candidate no one was taking seriously to an unstoppable dynamo about which any negative comments were tantamount to trump loving

despite primaries now effectively being a neverending process starting a year in advance this was possibly the least democratic primary of my lifetime if not in this countrys entire history if thats not enough to turn you off of electoralism exactly what would it take
but the campaign behind bernie should've operated from the viewpoint of "an unfair set of circumstances will inevitably occur, and we need contingency plans for when they elevate candidate X". bernie didn't have that, he just kind of floundered and gave up. of course the process was unfair, but what did anyone in his campaign expect?

Finicums Wake posted:

it ruled. especially because the warren fans identify strongly with being wonky, intelligent political understanders and explainers. warren was really good at making it her marketing brand, but that's all it was: pure aesthetic. warren supporters would say, for example, that warren unlike bernie had a plan for the wealth tax whereas bernie was just a shouty man. the truth is both bernie and warren hired this economist gabriel zuccman to design them wealth plans, and bernie's was more progressive by design. this is how virtually all policy gets made: the politician has staffers and academics and thinktank people draw up proposals. warren stans were like convinced that warren is uniquely capable of doing this, or that she herself was writing her policy proposals, etc. warren supporters are dumb as poo poo
it's funny that the people who identify as the "smart" simply do not understand what politicians actually are, or what their job entails. a candidate isn't writing this poo poo. they are an avatar of the broader movement behind them. this is why showmen like trump are actually extremely appropriate for office, while dry academics with zero personality should stay away from campaigns, even if they have good politics and views.

Stringent posted:

pelosi literally got her start pushing for single payer, they've had their 30 years and then some. anyone telling you they need another 30 is either gaslighting or really stupid.
let's give chelsea clinton 30 years in the house, the we'll talk. what's your rush?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Its kind of funny how quickly.pirating media became a forgotten method.

downloading FiTGirl and CODEX repacks is praxis

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

gradenko_2000 posted:

downloading FiTGirl and CODEX repacks is praxis

Don't forget SNES/Genesis GoodMerge Roms.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Lol, Dems were defending Biden's reopening of the concentration camps just two weeks ago. They swore up and down that they would be nicer than Trumps, and the centers will follow federal guidelines and laws.

Whoops! Libs have no pattern recognition again!

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Eggplant Squire posted:

Covid is probably the greatest thing that has ever happened to the Democrats in general and their ability to deny health care to people; it's massively aggravating to think about. Like it's practically a divine gift it was so perfect for them.

probably just a coincidence

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

these people want you to put your real identity online so they can call your boss and get you fired if they don't like your tweets

if you have a picture of yourself as your twitter avatar you're a dunce

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

Shipon posted:

these people want you to put your real identity online so they can call your boss and get you fired if they don't like your tweets

if you have a picture of yourself as your twitter avatar you're a dunce

Imagine treating twitter like Facebook or Instagram, just getting into these huge arguments while your boomer aunt tries to join in.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Its kind of funny how quickly.pirating media became a forgotten method.

why torrent when you can just stream it for free from freemmovies.tv.ru.cn

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

Raskolnikov38 posted:

wrong thread jackass

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Marx Headroom posted:

For real, he did almost no campaigning, especially compared to bernie. He was a joke in the debates. He had no outreach and in fact openly taunted his potential voting base. He had no flashy policies or bold proposals. His poll numbers were pathetic. Every drat thing we've been told is so important in electioneering didn't mean jack poo poo.

liberal media hegemony (electability discourse, for instance) is difficult to beat

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005
You can try all you want to canvass and talk to people, but it's difficult to get over the propaganda machine on your TV screen telling you all hours of the day what to think

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Eggplant Squire posted:

Covid is probably the greatest thing that has ever happened to the Democrats in general and their ability to deny health care to people; it's massively aggravating to think about. Like it's practically a divine gift it was so perfect for them.

God is real, and he is evil

Andorra
Dec 12, 2012

If I didn't remember that account kneejerk defending biden a few hours ago, I would have assumed that image was parody.

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Nichael posted:

but the campaign behind bernie should've operated from the viewpoint of "an unfair set of circumstances will inevitably occur, and we need contingency plans for when they elevate candidate X". bernie didn't have that, he just kind of floundered and gave up. of course the process was unfair, but what did anyone in his campaign expect?

The people in his campaign, the ones with power and control, expected a wonderful line on their resume and a rich future career in progressive and left-sounding political advocacy circles. They were right and got what they wanted. We will undoubtedly see ex-bernie campaign higherups highlighting their time as they attempt to climb the ladder of non-profits, think tanks, and consulting groups for decades to come.

Bernie Sanders had four years to assemble a team and he didn't spend that time idly. Bernie went out to the market of political operatives and deliberately selected an incredible array of liberal, careerist technocrats. It took decades of political experience to develop the team that Bernie ended up with. These were his people, his friends, his supporters. Time and time again, the people Bernie defended and endorsed the most were grasping hired guns and "apolitical" managerial types.

Before 2020, I had sympathy for Bernie Sanders. After 2020, I wish there exists a hell for traitors and betrayers so that Bernie Sanders could have a seat of honor for eternity. Failing this, all I can hope for and all I can do is to take a flamethrower to Bernie Sanders and his legacy, much like Bernie Sanders took a flamethrower to the collected hopes, energy, and resources of all those people who had the audacity to believe.

Bernie Sanders deserves no defense, no support, and no favor. I hope he can be primaried when reelection comes and his opponent highlight the destruction Bernie Sanders willfully inflicted.

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