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redleader posted:i'm hoping that tf&tws gives me a reason to care about either of them. i've never found falcon interesting at all, and bucky seems to be a nothing more than a macguffin to throw at captain america whenever some Plot is needed I'm really hoping they pull off a Wandavison and make me care about the characters, because I'll be honest, I've almost written off Anthony Mackie as an actor. He was real bad in Altered Carbon and had no charisma in All the Way.
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The irony is that on the press circuits for these movies he's the only one with any personality whatsoever
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Ravel posted:Is FATWS supposed to lead into any other upcoming movie? What other movies would these two possibly show up in? Black Panther 2? Surprisingly they haven't say, only that it's part of Phase 4. And yeah, sounds like they could link to Black Panther 2. Loki definitely looks as something that could be part of Dr. Strange's more than Thor. But who knows, they've been very quiet about it. Guess they want to avoid another "fan theories" scenario like with Wandavision. redleader posted:i'm hoping that tf&tws gives me a reason to care about either of them. i've never found falcon interesting at all, and bucky seems to be a nothing more than a macguffin to throw at captain america whenever some Plot is needed I gotta confess that Macky's acting never landed with me. BUT I hope that now having more screen time we the audience can connect better with the characters. It's a world of difference , I don't know, 20 minutes or less of Falcon in a movie to 4 or so hours in a show.
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Ravel posted:The irony is that on the press circuits for these movies he's the only one with any personality whatsoever I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because Altered Carbon s2 was absolute trash, and All the Way was a Bryan Cranston vehicle and he got all the juicy scenes whereas MLK got like 10 minutes and weirdly not much to do. And in the MCU the Falcon got even less screen time than Wanda Vision it seems.
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Mar 15, 2021 02:20
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Rewatch Winter Soldier because Mackie is great in his debut. It’s all the movies that came afterward that sucked the life out of his performance because he’s just tossed into the background. We were robbed of a proper Cap 3 and the expansion of Falcon’s character is yet another casualty of that.
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Thundercracker posted:I'm really hoping they pull off a Wandavison and make me care about the characters, because I'll be honest, I've almost written off Anthony Mackie as an actor. He was real bad in Altered Carbon and had no charisma in All the Way. Check out his Black Mirror episode 'Striking Vipers'. He's really good in that.
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Mar 15, 2021 02:31
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Grimdude posted:I don't know, but I've heard plenty of people in this thread and elsewhere claim that Disney "trolled" viewers by hinting at a popular character being around/doing anything important and then pulling the rug at the last second. Kind of seems like it shouldn't be surprising that people were rightfully disappointed that they took possibly the most boring route to "intentionally" irritate people. If you're talking about Evan Peters's role, he was being around doing important things. Just not the things that certain people expected/wanted him to be doing. His job was to knock Wanda off balance and make her vulnerable and distracted by her desires and expectations. He did that. At the same time the show used him to do much the same thing to that audience - using their desires and expectations of "OMFG Qucksilver! Bettany's actor will be Ian McKellan! No, Patrick Stewart! No, Hugh Jackman!!! X-Verse coming to a Westview near you!!!!!" to wrong-foot them. Really, to let them wrong-foot themselves. Because if you actually watch Peters's performance as "Fietro" you can see that there's something off about him in a way that has nothing to do with mutants.
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Mar 15, 2021 03:23
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Everyone posted:If you're talking about Evan Peters's role, he was being around doing important things. Just not the things that certain people expected/wanted him to be doing. His job was to knock Wanda off balance and make her vulnerable and distracted by her desires and expectations. He did that. At the same time the show used him to do much the same thing to that audience - using their desires and expectations of "OMFG Qucksilver! Bettany's actor will be Ian McKellan! No, Patrick Stewart! No, Hugh Jackman!!! X-Verse coming to a Westview near you!!!!!" to wrong-foot them. Really, to let them wrong-foot themselves. Because if you actually watch Peters's performance as "Fietro" you can see that there's something off about him in a way that has nothing to do with mutants. Baiting the audience with casting and putting it in a cliffhanger at the end of an episode was bound to have predictable consequences in a mystery show and if the audience gets mad when they don't fulfill that bait it's a little rich to feign ignorance and say "well that's their fault for raising their expectations." It's like if you had one of those cakes that looks like other food and you offer somebody some and they bite into it and make a face and you cry "I never said it wasn't cake! You set those expectations up yourself!" Except it was a boner.
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Mar 15, 2021 03:46
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Ralph boner. Tony Mackie. These names are getting preposterous
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Ravel posted:Is FATWS supposed to lead into any other upcoming movie? What other movies would these two possibly show up in? Black Panther 2? Probably not, the show was originally supposed to come out last fall just before Eternals. It, like Black Widow and Shiang Chi that were planned to come before it were probably meant to serve as single serving palate cleansers before they got back to the meta plots.
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Thundercracker posted:I'm really hoping they pull off a Wandavison and make me care about the characters, because I'll be honest, I've almost written off Anthony Mackie as an actor. He was real bad in Altered Carbon and had no charisma in All the Way. i liked him in Synchronic
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Desperado Bones posted:Sebastian Stan is hot.  Oasx posted:It was the same in this thread early on, many people didn’t like the sitcom style and preferred more standard mcu. For me the problem was the opposite, I liked the sinister and creepy feeling that something was very wrong, and disliked it when it became standard MCU punch fest. Which is exactly what FATWS looks like. Wandavisions first 6 episodes where great, and then it fell off a cliff the last 2, for me. Its Rinaldo posted:Baiting the audience with casting and putting it in a cliffhanger at the end of an episode was bound to have predictable consequences in a mystery show and if the audience gets mad when they don't fulfill that bait it's a little rich to feign ignorance and say "well that's their fault for raising their expectations." Right. The studio clearly put in a lot of effort to trick people, not just within the show itself but by having the cast say poo poo like "oh i can't wait until you all find out who the aerospace engineer is" or "The final episode cameo will BLOW YOUR MIND". It's doing the sherlock thing where they tease something interesting and then just drop it entirely and call you an idiot for expecting a payoff.
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Mar 15, 2021 06:23
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None of the cast or crew ever teased that poo poo (aside from Bettany making a joke about playing opposite himself), it was 99% the internet running wild with speculation and clickbait sites taking Twitter and Reddit randos and running them as confirmed sources. No one tricked you. You were let down by your own expectations.
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Mar 15, 2021 07:07
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Big Mean Jerk posted:None of the cast or crew ever teased that poo poo (aside from Bettany making a joke about playing opposite himself), it was 99% the internet running wild with speculation and clickbait sites taking Twitter and Reddit randos and running them as confirmed sources. Is the actress playing Monica part of the cast and crew? https://screenrant.com/wandavision-aerospace-engineer-identity-theory-teyonah-parris-response/ Yes or no question
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Mar 15, 2021 07:34
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Also looking at someone is actually using the "it's just a prank" defense for Disney
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Mar 15, 2021 07:38
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McCloud posted:Is the actress playing Monica part of the cast and crew? That’s a clickbait link that uses all of two actual sentences from her interview, so let’s see what she actually said. The aerospace engineer turned out to be a Skrull. It directly ties into Captain Marvel 2. That’s what she was excited about. It’s not her fault or anyone else’s that the internet selectively misinterpreted her words and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it would be Reed loving Richards or any of a dozen other wild guesses.
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Mar 15, 2021 07:41
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I don't think it's unfair to say the show teased a lot of interesting stuff and then went nowhere with it. The Sherlock comparison is very apt.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:None of the cast or crew ever teased that poo poo (aside from Bettany making a joke about playing opposite himself), it was 99% the internet running wild with speculation and clickbait sites taking Twitter and Reddit randos and running them as confirmed sources. The Bettany stuff I'm fine with it's goofy but ultimately not a big deal but the Evan Peters is legit just setting up the audience for a fall and not in a good way. I haven't watched an X-Man movie since X-Men 2 so I don't give two shits about X-Men in anything but I can see why people would be annoyed by the show going "lol nope that's on you! Ignore everything else that has every existed in the MCU teasing characters and plot lines acclimating you to think this might mean something y'all just reaching!"
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Varinn posted:the biggest draw of this show is someone getting Marvel Money to do something ambitious/weird, so its wild that people just wanted a TV show version of a regular mcu movie. they're gonna keep making those I think for most fans the biggest draw is more mcu. If you are a comicbook fan there are so many stories left to tell, and the movies are never going to be able to tell more than a fraction of them. If it's something new and interesting like WandaVision then that is a plus, but not needed. McCloud posted:Right. The studio clearly put in a lot of effort to trick people, not just within the show itself but by having the cast say poo poo like "oh i can't wait until you all find out who the aerospace engineer is" or "The final episode cameo will BLOW YOUR MIND". It's doing the sherlock thing where they tease something interesting and then just drop it entirely and call you an idiot for expecting a payoff. Do you seriously think that the studio asked the cast to say these things? This is how movies work, actors get seriously exited about the stuff they are doing and you just need to take those statements with a grain of salt. It's like Bettany's comment about the actor he wanted to work with, I can almost guarantee that he simply thought that was a funny joke, and didn't consider that some people would be grinding their teeth in anger.
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Daduzi posted:Yeah, that's the mystery. I mean, sure, you might notice him at the local 7-11 but in the MCU? He's half a Chris at best. It's funny because I don't find Chris Evans attractive at all. Too much of a generic beefy blond, does absolutely nothing for me. Same for all the other Chrises, who blend into One SuperChris for me. Sebastian Stan, though? Yeah, I'm here for that. Anyway, it's not that big of a mystery if you know fandom even a little bit: he's a hot guy, who was tortured (literally and figuratively) and sad and bad-rear end and vulnerable in The Winter Soldier. It was a pretty nice cocktail of a lot of things that are going to appeal to a lot of people. Big Mean Jerk posted:We were robbed of a proper Cap 3 and the expansion of Falcon’s character is yet another casualty of that. I've seen people refer to Cap 3 as "Iron Man 4" (or "Avengers 2.5") and well, they're not wrong.
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the quicksilver thing is definitely on the show for setting people up to be disappointed. you can make arguments that maybe people got way too 'pepe silvia' about other things, but there was no way the fietro thing wasn't going to be a big letdown for the majority of viewers. as i stated before, i don't think they were trolling or deliberately winding people up. i think they just thought it would be fun. but casting peters after the recent fox acquisition (while things like jamie foxx's electro and alfred molina's doc ock are being confirmed for the next spider-man) really is a big tease and i don't think that particular one is on the fans.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The aerospace engineer turned out to be a Skrull. It directly ties into Captain Marvel 2. That’s what she was excited about. incredible fan-focused surprises like "captain marvel 2 will feature characters from captain marvel 1"
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Bleck posted:incredible fan-focused surprises like "captain marvel 2 will feature characters from captain marvel 1" She’s talking about characters that’ll be in Captain Marvel 2 showing up in WandaVision. She’s excited about this largely unrelated show teasing something from an upcoming movie. That’s the surprise. That’s what she’s excited about. It’s not some grand conspiracy to pull a bait and switch.
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The Skrull wasn't the engineer though. She appeared to be disguised as an FBI agent. As far as we know, the engineer was just someone who owed Maria a favor.
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MiddleOne posted:I don't think it's unfair to say the show teased a lot of interesting stuff and then went nowhere with it. The Sherlock comparison is very apt. In the end it was just a $200 million costume reveal
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McCloud posted:
He's hot to the kinds of folk who find the guys from Supernatural hot.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:None of the cast or crew ever teased that poo poo (aside from Bettany making a joke about playing opposite himself), it was 99% the internet running wild with speculation and clickbait sites taking Twitter and Reddit randos and running them as confirmed sources. My mum, whose sum total of research into the show was the summary on Disney+ and casually watching half the MCU and X-Men movies (mostly with me), was excited about X-Men Quicksilver and was pissed off at the boner joke. He was an audience favourite in the very successful X-Men franchise and you don't need to obsess over extraneous details as a casual observer to think that the speedster named Peter "from the cool time stop scene in that one movie" wasn't a dick joke The hype and disappointment of that reveal was entirely self contained and didn't need any comics knowledge or actor teasing bullshit
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Geo Fixer posted:He's hot to the kinds of folk who find the guys from Supernatural hot. That show was...prolific. For some various reasons. 
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BrianWilly posted:That's like every woman on the internet. And not afraid to lampshade it, either. "They know we're brothers, right?" "That doesn't seem to matter."
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Oasx posted:I think for most fans the biggest draw is more mcu. If you are a comicbook fan there are so many stories left to tell, and the movies are never going to be able to tell more than a fraction of them. If it's something new and interesting like WandaVision then that is a plus, but not needed. I think once is an accident, thrice is a pattern. And whether intentional or not the result was they set expectations they had no intention of following through and that's very much on them. And all that besides, I'm not inclined to give disney the benefit of the doubt on anything Big Mean Jerk posted:That’s a clickbait link that uses all of two actual sentences from her interview, so let’s see what she actually said. So we've moved from "no on from the cast and crew said nothing like that!" To "ok she did say exactly that but it was taken out of context!" So uh, cool, thanks for clarifying that she said what I said she said about the engineer ( who wasn't a scrull btw, the scrull was an fbi agent) Geo Fixer posted:He's hot to the kinds of folk who find the guys from Supernatural hot.  checks out, i don't find them attractive eitherJedit posted:And not afraid to lampshade it, either. Which, unfortunately, ties it back to Wanda and Pietro 
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Geo Fixer posted:He's hot to the kinds of folk who find the guys from Supernatural hot. Blandly handsome but not actually interesting looking white guys.
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The_Doctor posted:
Blandly handsome should be an oxymoron, but i know exactly what you mean. It's like how all the bachelor dudes look indistinguishable from each other and came from the same cloning vat
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McCloud posted:Blandly handsome should be an oxymoron, but i know exactly what you mean. "Meet your contestants; Kyle, Lyle, Brian, Ryan, Tyler, Kyler, and Skylar!"
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It's funny cause Ackles was considered for Cap like Stan was so clearly Marvel had a type.
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Emily VanDerWerff has a great piece in Vox about WandaVision and the problem of “justice” in fiction: https://www.vox.com/culture/22325656/wandavision-finale-justice-disappointment-story-karmaquote:The protagonist of any story takes both moral and immoral actions across the course of that story, and the storyteller’s responsibility is to understand which actions are which — and, more importantly, to signal to the audience that they have actually thought about this. We will go along with the worst, most venal protagonist alive if we know the storyteller knows their protagonist is awful. The second that level of understanding starts to slip, however, it becomes much easier to doubt the storyteller knows what they’re doing. We want our gods to be just. We know they aren’t always. But we want them to know when they’ve screwed up.
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Final FatWS trailer, lots of new footage! And is that... The Tinkerer from the Miles Morales video game...?! EDIT: ah no, that's Erin Kellyman, from Solo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGHE581lsM The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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F&WS has gotten more interesting by having the super-powered humans of unknown origin hook, but I will still be pleasantly surprised if it is great. None of the promotional material has had U.S. Agent or some of the other characters that have been leaked/cast, so it seems like they are not revealing a lot of the major plot points (or they are actually going to be minor plot points). I still have no idea what the overarching story or plot of the show is supposed to be. It also has an uphill climb for me because Falcon and Winter Soldier are fairly boring characters in the movies. Well, Winter Soldier is very interesting and has some of the best scenes in the MCU, but "Bucky" is less interesting. The fact that they are revealing basically nothing means that it really could end up falling anywhere between boring or great. But, the promo materials are a 5.5 out of 10 in the interest-grabbing department. Whereas, Wandavision's promos were much more interesting. That could just be inherently due to the mystery of the format and more "important" characters, though.
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