Rusty Shackelford posted:

That was a tv workout personality gimmick, right?

I mean more like a wrestler running a pyramid scheme within the confines of the show somehow.

Halloween Jack posted:

I remember Chavo having a short lived gimmick as an Amway guy. He would try to distract his opponent with random mail order products. Like he set up Dude Love with some headphones and a lava lamp, then tried to pin him.

Alaois posted:

Chavo had the Amway gimmick in 1999 WCW so it wouldn't have been Dude Love but you're right

Rusty Shackelford posted:

A conversation about Multi Level Marketing in the WWE thread made me wonder - what would a wrestling mlm gimmick look like?

davidbix posted:

To spin off something else that just came up: Besides The Undertaker using the tombstone piledriver and Sting using the scorpion hold/scorpion deathlock, what other wrestlers had finisher choices that were dictated by the move or hold's established name fitting with their gimmicks?

Lamuella posted:

Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever.

What does WWE look like a year from now? Who's still there? Who had been forced out of management? What does the product look like?

Lamuella posted:

Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever.

What does WWE look like a year from now? Who's still there? Who had been forced out of management? What does the product look like?

Low Desert Punk posted:

could someone give a brief overview of the role of women in lucha libre in the 70s and 80s? I find luchadoras really interesting but it's hard to find information from earlier time periods and I'm not that knowledgeable about lucha in the first place. How were they treated (by fans and promoters) in comparison to women in Japan and the US at the time? who are some big names i should know? I know Pantera Sureña but that's about it.

Lamuella posted:

Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever.

What does WWE look like a year from now? Who's still there? Who had been forced out of management? What does the product look like?

DeathChicken posted:

The terrible camerawork might improve since reportedly neither Triple H nor Steph give a gently caress about Kevin Dunn

Red posted:

I imagine Dunn is planning to resign when Vince dies, though I don’t see Vince dying any time soon; his mom is 100.

Pylons posted:

Realistically I'm not sure how many changes Triple H would be able to make that quickly. Investors would already be wary that McMahon is dead and would probably want him to keep as much of the structure intact as possible.

Karma Tornado posted:

Vince's mom presumably has a much cleaner drug record than her big jacked boy, though

El Gallinero Gros posted:

To follow up about luchadoras, what luchadora would have the best chance of being a star for AEW or WWE?

El Gallinero Gros posted:

To follow up about luchadoras, what luchadora would have the best chance of being a star for AEW or WWE?

Lamuella posted:

She's 40 now but I think Faby Apache is good enough that she could be a star.

Davros1 posted:

My guess is, all the power would go to Steph, and from all indications, she's just like Vince, so I'd expect just more of the same.

Smoking Crow posted:

la hiedra


faby has a rep for not wanting to put over non-mexicans so i'm not sure how well she'd do in an american company

Pylons posted:

Realistically I'm not sure how many changes Triple H would be able to make that quickly. Investors would already be wary that McMahon is dead and would probably want him to keep as much of the structure intact as possible.

cauliflower jones posted:

i feel like Gabe has more influence than HHH now, so i assume he'll take over the company

MassRafTer posted:

Shane is going to end up in charge it is going to be really funny.

karmicknight posted:

Either Shane or Gabe are the funniest possible options.

Smoking Crow posted:

The first thing you have to know is Mexico City banned lucha libre from television in the 50s. That means that the largest market in market in Mexico had no wrestling on TV. Not many other states banned wrestling, but because Mexico DF had the ban, most everyone else thought it wasn't necessary to have TV either.

The second thing you have to know is Mexico City banned all women's wrestling in the 50s. I believe the reason was that it corrupted the minds of children. While this didn't stop other states, most notably Nuevo Leon, Baja California and Chihuahua, from having women on cards, it did create the mentality that women's wrestling wasn't very important.

So when you put this together, you have a world where very little is taped, and almost all of our knowledge of results, card lineups and "it was said to be a good match" comes from the wrestling magazines. These were varying levels of kayfabe, and almost all of them were based out of Mexico City. Mexico City magazines usually covered shows in the Mexico DF area and surrounding states with some lip service to the bigger shows in Monterrey, Juarez, etc. Together, this creates a world where magazines are the only thing you can trust, but they don't really cover outside of central Mexico and they do not care about women's wrestling.

This is why you don't hear a lot about Mexican women's wrestling at this time. Just not a lot of good sources. We do know who some of the bigger stars are because they would appear on some of the bigger mixed-gender cards in Monterrey, Tijuana, Jalisco and other hotbeds of Mexican indies. Three of the biggest names at this time are Vickie Williams, plus Irma and Lola Gonzalez (no relation). Irma Gonzalez and Williams would hold the UWA Women's title. Not a lot of tape of these two in their prime. We have tape of Irma later in her career when she's a legend, and we have tape of Lola from the mid/late-80s doing shots in AJW, but not a whole lot of stuff from inside Mexico.

I wish I had more for you, we just don't really have anything. In 1986, Mexico City lifted the ban on women's wrestling. This led to a bunch of belts forming, but none for CMLL until 1990. We have a lot more footage of wrestling from the 90s because Antonio Peña was very progressive and saw that women's wrestling was the future, plus CMLL had a working relationship with AJW. The one thing I can tell you about how wrestling looked in the heyday of the 70s: it was supposed to be a rougher style closer to Japanese wrestling. Kurt Brown talks about this on the Lucha World Podcast sometimes. Back then, there were no women only wrestling school, all women had to wrestle with the men. This means they wrestled closer to how the guys on Mexican indies did at the time, which means lots of technical wrestling, lots of brawling and lots of blood.

If you try to look at any Mexican wrestling from this period, you'll come across this lack of footage roadblock; I hope this is helpful to you at least

Smoking Crow posted:

Very cool stuff about luchadoras

Suplex Liberace posted:

Yes I'm still mad about Wikipedia removing wrestlers finishers and signature moves.

Suplex Liberace posted:

I hate how hard it is to find out wrestling history, you have to scour various fan sites or newsletter archives for lot of stuff and if its not there you have to hope you know someone who knows it or where to find it. Yes I'm still mad about Wikipedia removing wrestlers finishers and signature moves.

Halloween Jack posted: