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Milo Minderbinder but a wrestler?
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Rusty Shackelford posted:That was a tv workout personality gimmick, right? Vince?
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I remember Chavo having a short lived gimmick as an Amway guy. He would try to distract his opponent with random mail order products. Like he set up Dude Love with some headphones and a lava lamp, then tried to pin him.
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Halloween Jack posted:I remember Chavo having a short lived gimmick as an Amway guy. He would try to distract his opponent with random mail order products. Like he set up Dude Love with some headphones and a lava lamp, then tried to pin him. Chavo had the Amway gimmick in 1999 WCW so it wouldn't have been Dude Love but you're right
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I feel like Matt Hardy’s character could pivot into a MLM guru kinda gimmick, especially after losing the big money match to Page.
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Alaois posted:Chavo had the Amway gimmick in 1999 WCW so it wouldn't have been Dude Love but you're right
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Rusty Shackelford posted:A conversation about Multi Level Marketing in the WWE thread made me wonder - what would a wrestling mlm gimmick look like? big money matt in aew?
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davidbix posted:To spin off something else that just came up: Besides The Undertaker using the tombstone piledriver and Sting using the scorpion hold/scorpion deathlock, what other wrestlers had finisher choices that were dictated by the move or hold's established name fitting with their gimmicks? i crack/pinged when I realized The Sharpshooter... The Hitman.... like 2-3 years ago, and being a Bret mark since like birth ( ) e: I guess that's not really the same thing as a ton of wrestlers have moves named based on their gimmick, but I still find it mind boggling that i didn't realize that for so long Hirez fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever. What does WWE look like a year from now? Who's still there? Who had been forced out of management? What does the product look like?
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Lamuella posted:Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever. honestly i'd bet it would look and feel mostly the same, with maybe a few less spite push changes and a little more coherency in storyline from week to week
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Lamuella posted:Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever. Triple H is in the midst of his second reign of terror, and whenever he's not on screen everybody else asks where he is.
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Low Desert Punk posted:could someone give a brief overview of the role of women in lucha libre in the 70s and 80s? I find luchadoras really interesting but it's hard to find information from earlier time periods and I'm not that knowledgeable about lucha in the first place. How were they treated (by fans and promoters) in comparison to women in Japan and the US at the time? who are some big names i should know? I know Pantera Sureña but that's about it. The first thing you have to know is Mexico City banned lucha libre from television in the 50s. That means that the largest market in Mexico had no wrestling on TV. Not many other states banned wrestling, but because Mexico DF had the ban, most everyone else thought it wasn't necessary to have TV either. The second thing you have to know is Mexico City banned all women's wrestling in the 50s. I believe the reason was that it corrupted the minds of children. While this didn't stop other states, most notably Nuevo Leon, Baja California and Chihuahua, from having women on cards, it did create the mentality that women's wrestling wasn't very important. So when you put this together, you have a world where very little is taped, and almost all of our knowledge of results, card lineups and "it was said to be a good match" comes from the wrestling magazines. These were varying levels of kayfabe, and almost all of them were based out of Mexico City. Mexico City magazines usually covered shows in the Mexico DF area and surrounding states with some lip service to the bigger shows in Monterrey, Juarez, etc. Together, this creates a world where magazines are the only thing you can trust, but they don't really cover outside of central Mexico and they do not care about women's wrestling. This is why you don't hear a lot about Mexican women's wrestling at this time. Just not a lot of good sources. We do know who some of the bigger stars are because they would appear on some of the bigger mixed-gender cards in Monterrey, Tijuana, Jalisco and other hotbeds of Mexican indies. Three of the biggest names at this time are Vickie Williams, plus Irma and Lola Gonzalez (no relation). Irma Gonzalez and Williams would hold the UWA Women's title. Not a lot of tape of these two in their prime. We have tape of Irma later in her career when she's a legend, and we have tape of Lola from the mid/late-80s doing shots in AJW, but not a whole lot of stuff from inside Mexico. I wish I had more for you, we just don't really have anything. In 1986, Mexico City lifted the ban on women's wrestling. This led to a bunch of belts forming, but none for CMLL until 1990. We have a lot more footage of wrestling from the 90s because Antonio Peña was very progressive and saw that women's wrestling was the future, plus CMLL had a working relationship with AJW. The one thing I can tell you about how wrestling looked in the heyday of the 70s: it was supposed to be a rougher style closer to Japanese wrestling. Kurt Brown talks about this on the Lucha World Podcast sometimes. Back then, there were no women only wrestling school, all women had to wrestle with the men. This means they wrestled closer to how the guys on Mexican indies did at the time, which means lots of technical wrestling, lots of brawling and lots of blood. If you try to look at any Mexican wrestling from this period, you'll come across this lack of footage roadblock; I hope this is helpful to you at least Smoking Crow fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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If you want to get angry, I've heard that CMLL has tapes of Arena Mexico shows going back to the 70s that they won't put out. No idea why other than lol cmll
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Lamuella posted:Let's say that Vince McMahon dropped dead tomorrow. His quads explode and he chokes on a steak wrap. Whatever. I doubt there would be much of a change-up as far as talent relations or the agents making matches or the writing staff but I also believe that the product would make more sense on the whole and probably have better builds to matches.
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The terrible camerawork might improve since reportedly neither Triple H nor Steph give a gently caress about Kevin Dunn
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Realistically I'm not sure how many changes Triple H would be able to make that quickly. Investors would already be wary that McMahon is dead and would probably want him to keep as much of the structure intact as possible.
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To follow up about luchadoras, what luchadora would have the best chance of being a star for AEW or WWE?
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DeathChicken posted:The terrible camerawork might improve since reportedly neither Triple H nor Steph give a gently caress about Kevin Dunn I imagine Dunn is planning to resign when Vince dies, though I don’t see Vince dying any time soon; his mom is 100.
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He could probably make whatever creative changes he wanted because investors really don't care if Adam Cole is now on the main roster and getting a main event push, like, at all. Firing Kevin Dunn or any other top level personnel changes is another storyRed posted:I imagine Dunn is planning to resign when Vince dies, though I don’t see Vince dying any time soon; his mom is 100.
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Vince's mom presumably has a much cleaner drug record than her big jacked boy, though
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Pylons posted:Realistically I'm not sure how many changes Triple H would be able to make that quickly. Investors would already be wary that McMahon is dead and would probably want him to keep as much of the structure intact as possible. My guess is, all the power would go to Steph, and from all indications, she's just like Vince, so I'd expect just more of the same.
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I'd expect no changes to the product but I do expect WWE to be sold to like Comcast 1 or 2 years after Vince's death.
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Karma Tornado posted:Vince's mom presumably has a much cleaner drug record than her big jacked boy, though vince and hogan are like kissinger, they're going to live to see the world burn around us.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:To follow up about luchadoras, what luchadora would have the best chance of being a star for AEW or WWE? She's 40 now but I think Faby Apache is good enough that she could be a star.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:To follow up about luchadoras, what luchadora would have the best chance of being a star for AEW or WWE? la hiedra Lamuella posted:She's 40 now but I think Faby Apache is good enough that she could be a star. faby has a rep for not wanting to put over non-mexicans so i'm not sure how well she'd do in an american company
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Davros1 posted:My guess is, all the power would go to Steph, and from all indications, she's just like Vince, so I'd expect just more of the same.
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Smoking Crow posted:la hiedra It was a mild surprise she actually lost her hair a few years ago, but who knows people change over time. I kind of expect her in AEW at some point but I don't think full time. It's so hard to say with AAA suing itself.
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Pylons posted:Realistically I'm not sure how many changes Triple H would be able to make that quickly. Investors would already be wary that McMahon is dead and would probably want him to keep as much of the structure intact as possible. i feel like Gabe has more influence than HHH now, so i assume he'll take over the company
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cauliflower jones posted:i feel like Gabe has more influence than HHH now, so i assume he'll take over the company Far as I know Gabe is firmly a HHH guy? Which is hilarious thinking how 2005 me would react to that idea but here we are
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Shane is going to end up in charge it is going to be really funny.
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MassRafTer posted:Shane is going to end up in charge it is going to be really funny. Three hours of RAW Underground and heavy breathing into a microphone every week
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Either Shane or Gabe are the funniest possible options.
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karmicknight posted:Either Shane or Gabe are the funniest possible options. dan rykert
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If I knew who that was, sure whatever.
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Smoking Crow posted:The first thing you have to know is Mexico City banned lucha libre from television in the 50s. That means that the largest market in market in Mexico had no wrestling on TV. Not many other states banned wrestling, but because Mexico DF had the ban, most everyone else thought it wasn't necessary to have TV either. Lola and Irma worked some in Texas as well, in the early 80s in Big Time Wrestling/WCCW and there is tape of some of that at least.
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He's a guy from the Giant Bomb video game podcast/video production group who is also entwined with WWE.
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Smoking Crow posted:Very cool stuff about luchadoras I hate how hard it is to find out wrestling history, you have to scour various fan sites or newsletter archives for lot of stuff and if its not there you have to hope you know someone who knows it or where to find it. Yes I'm still mad about Wikipedia removing wrestlers finishers and signature moves.
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Suplex Liberace posted:Yes I'm still mad about Wikipedia removing wrestlers finishers and signature moves.
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Suplex Liberace posted:I hate how hard it is to find out wrestling history, you have to scour various fan sites or newsletter archives for lot of stuff and if its not there you have to hope you know someone who knows it or where to find it. Yes I'm still mad about Wikipedia removing wrestlers finishers and signature moves. fwiw, this stuff is obscure even in mexico. women's wrestling in this period is really murky. i hope that someone does some archival work on this period while some of the people there are still alive, or else that history will be lost forever
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