Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Yeah, to be fair so did I, but I rolled Revenant. That weapon is madness.

Sydin posted:

I like playing Vanguard in 2/3 because - if you do it right - you can just completely ignore the cover mechanic and play like a teleporting lunatic.

Rockstar Massacre posted:

yeah ME1 was fun and janky and ME2 was the all fun removed version. ME3 tightened it up a bit but it was still a dedicated cover shooter so only so much you can do to polish that turd

Rynoto posted:

ME:A Revenant was just depressing after 2 & 3s version LMGs are supposed to be fun.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

besides all of the shotguns

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

The worst gun in all of MEA, besides all of the shotguns, is the AR that swaps accuracy for fire rate, with a chargeup time. Which effectively makes it worse than useless.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I'd have to dig up the patch notes, but I'd like to remind everyone that the MEA team thought that shotguns were going to be used from behind cover

Outpost22 posted:

kilus aof posted:

You can now randomise everything in Mass Effect 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVpuSJsz-k

kilus aof posted:

You can now randomise everything in Mass Effect 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVpuSJsz-k

SlothfulCobra posted:

Engineer in Mass Effect 2 basically turned things into a tactical strategy game, because you've got both squadmates to order around, then the turret and and AI Hacking/Morinth's ability to create allies to draw fire.

I never actually got very far playing through the game as sentinel, but I liked the armor ability where you could buy yourself time to wander around in the open. I guess kinda like a slower, more chill version of vanguard. I never played adept all the way through either, but I can figure what it's like from throwing squad abilities around.

I don't think I've seen an action RPG after Mass Effect that gave you such different class options. They all just put everything into one skill tree and tell you to figure it out.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

The fully upgraded sentinel ability generates a big Shockwave on shields dropping. It turns you from a tougher dude into a near invincible avatar of destruction.

kilus aof posted:

You can now randomise everything in Mass Effect 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVpuSJsz-k

Moola posted:

sentinel is the thinking mans vanguard

Simone Magus posted:

To be fair, it takes a very high IQ to understand the Sentinel playstyle

SlothfulCobra posted:

I've been playing Control lately, and some of the combat seems Mass Effect-inspired. The starting pistol has the same chonky feeling as Mass Effect's heavy pistols, and the psychic powers seem kinda reminiscent of some Mass Effect abilities.

There's not the tactical squad combat or real time with pause or big cover mechanics though.

Galewolf posted:

It's me, the boringestest normie that played default male Shep / Soldier throughout the whole trilogy.

My trusty Mattock (BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM) and sucking my booboo thumb until Adrenaline Rush is off cooldown

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

The worst gun in all of MEA, besides all of the shotguns, is the AR that swaps accuracy for fire rate, with a chargeup time. Which effectively makes it worse than useless.

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

Shooters keep doing this to their LMGs and chainguns and I'm convinced that it's the absolutely wrongest possible way to approach Big Fuckoff Support Weapons. People who want to shoot the biggest guns for biggest funs and spray hundreds of large caliber hole punchers down range while yelling in joy over the bark of their cannon don't want their heavy, expensive, ability restricting weapon to drip anemic little tickles for a few seconds when they fire. That sucks. No one likes that. You feel like a wimp every time you pull the trigger.

I've said it before in the Anthem thread but if you want big guns to spark joy without working immediately, replace the spin up mechanic with bracing. Aiming the gun takes longer than usual because your lead brained beef monster man has to brace for the weight and line up his shots. Krogans and Humans with enough points in Soldier or whatever can cackle maniacally while you hold L to aim. While you hold L, the gun audibly and visibly spins up but can't fire until it's done so you build anticipation for THAT MOMENT. It shouldn't take long; a second or two depending on how Big and Killy you want the player to feel. Then when you pull that trigger you immediately have MAXIMUM NOISE AND MAXIMUM VIOLENCE. You want the player to feel powerful because powerful is fun.

Really lean into it with AV effects too. If it's third person, show the character rock back and recover when the gun starts blasting to emphasize the action. Make sure you include tracers because Big Gun Warrior archetypes need feedback now that you aren't landing blades in flesh. Big muzzle flashes, echoing concussive BANGS, wild impact effects, etc. The rounds need to hit hard too- none of this business about damage per bullet being the same as SMGs so it's "balanced". The player already gives up a dangerous amount of mobility, tactical flexibility, utility powers, biotic combos and all that other stuff so they can watch their targets fly apart like God dropkicked them. If you feel like it still isn't balanced, then tie how long the cone of fire stays controlled to some stat that Soldier types will have to consider. This way curious biotics or engineers can get a little taste of the incredible fun on the other side of the fence too, but never to the degree they know could be possible if they reclassed.

Anyway that's my drive through Ted Talk about big guns.

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

Shooters keep doing this to their LMGs and chainguns and I'm convinced that it's the absolutely wrongest possible way to approach Big Fuckoff Support Weapons. People who want to shoot the biggest guns for biggest funs and spray hundreds of large caliber hole punchers down range while yelling in joy over the bark of their cannon don't want their heavy, expensive, ability restricting weapon to drip anemic little tickles for a few seconds when they fire. That sucks. No one likes that. You feel like a wimp every time you pull the trigger.

I've said it before in the Anthem thread but if you want big guns to spark joy without working immediately, replace the spin up mechanic with bracing. Aiming the gun takes longer than usual because your lead brained beef monster man has to brace for the weight and line up his shots. Krogans and Humans with enough points in Soldier or whatever can cackle maniacally while you hold L to aim. While you hold L, the gun audibly and visibly spins up but can't fire until it's done so you build anticipation for THAT MOMENT. It shouldn't take long; a second or two depending on how Big and Killy you want the player to feel. Then when you pull that trigger you immediately have MAXIMUM NOISE AND MAXIMUM VIOLENCE. You want the player to feel powerful because powerful is fun.

Really lean into it with AV effects too. If it's third person, show the character rock back and recover when the gun starts blasting to emphasize the action. Make sure you include tracers because Big Gun Warrior archetypes need feedback now that you aren't landing blades in flesh. Big muzzle flashes, echoing concussive BANGS, wild impact effects, etc. The rounds need to hit hard too- none of this business about damage per bullet being the same as SMGs so it's "balanced". The player already gives up a dangerous amount of mobility, tactical flexibility, utility powers, biotic combos and all that other stuff so they can watch their targets fly apart like God dropkicked them. If you feel like it still isn't balanced, then tie how long the cone of fire stays controlled to some stat that Soldier types will have to consider. This way curious biotics or engineers can get a little taste of the incredible fun on the other side of the fence too, but never to the degree they know could be possible if they reclassed.

Anyway that's my drive through Ted Talk about big guns.

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

Shooters keep doing this to their LMGs and chainguns and I'm convinced that it's the absolutely wrongest possible way to approach Big Fuckoff Support Weapons. People who want to shoot the biggest guns for biggest funs and spray hundreds of large caliber hole punchers down range while yelling in joy over the bark of their cannon don't want their heavy, expensive, ability restricting weapon to drip anemic little tickles for a few seconds when they fire. That sucks. No one likes that. You feel like a wimp every time you pull the trigger.

I've said it before in the Anthem thread but if you want big guns to spark joy without working immediately, replace the spin up mechanic with bracing. Aiming the gun takes longer than usual because your lead brained beef monster man has to brace for the weight and line up his shots. Krogans and Humans with enough points in Soldier or whatever can cackle maniacally while you hold L to aim. While you hold L, the gun audibly and visibly spins up but can't fire until it's done so you build anticipation for THAT MOMENT. It shouldn't take long; a second or two depending on how Big and Killy you want the player to feel. Then when you pull that trigger you immediately have MAXIMUM NOISE AND MAXIMUM VIOLENCE. You want the player to feel powerful because powerful is fun.

Really lean into it with AV effects too. If it's third person, show the character rock back and recover when the gun starts blasting to emphasize the action. Make sure you include tracers because Big Gun Warrior archetypes need feedback now that you aren't landing blades in flesh. Big muzzle flashes, echoing concussive BANGS, wild impact effects, etc. The rounds need to hit hard too- none of this business about damage per bullet being the same as SMGs so it's "balanced". The player already gives up a dangerous amount of mobility, tactical flexibility, utility powers, biotic combos and all that other stuff so they can watch their targets fly apart like God dropkicked them. If you feel like it still isn't balanced, then tie how long the cone of fire stays controlled to some stat that Soldier types will have to consider. This way curious biotics or engineers can get a little taste of the incredible fun on the other side of the fence too, but never to the degree they know could be possible if they reclassed.

Anyway that's my drive through Ted Talk about big guns.

Pattonesque posted:

yeah it's this. One thing that was really great about ME3 was how they sold the power of different weapons through sound effects and gunfeel. The best example I can think of is when you fire the Saber (the big fuckoff marksman rifle you get during Miranda's mission) it kicks like a mule and has an incredible sound, like it's a railgun or something.

Seemlar posted:

ME3 has good headshot feedback too when using those kinds of weapons

Seemlar posted:

ME3 has good headshot feedback too when using those kinds of weapons

Pattonesque posted:

but come to think of it the best gun sound effect in the whole series is the sequence where you're firing the Revenant, kick in Adrenaline Rush, and listen to it go from full RPMs to beautiful slow-motion individual shots, and then back to full RPMs. It really gives the sense that Shepard is so in touch with her combat ability that she's able to briefly focus and turn this monstrous squad machine gun into a precision weapon, with the sound of it coming out of AR emphasizing that really well.

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

Sometimes I wonder if they do these things accidentally. Didn't the Mattock sound like the Saber in it's first appearance and then suddenly feel like a limp noodle in the next game?