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John F Bennett posted:How many pushups can he do then? All of them. While sloshed on chateau P.icard
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Mar 17, 2021 12:02
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Picard is such a mary sue edit: oh wait, according to this piece of internet, he is not a mary sue because he failed his entrance exam the first time: Picard is No Mary-Sue type character. Mary Sue is a derogatory term for a character, one that is perfect, gets top marks and breezes to the top of their class. When Wesley Crusher fails the entrance exam for Starfleet, Picard reveals in "Coming of Age" that he failed the entrance exam the first time. A Mary-Sue would not fail the first time.
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Mar 17, 2021 12:04
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raverrn posted:Late, but the weapon uses some kind of radiation that Picard specifically was an expert in. The Cardassians set it up as a trap for him. Right, so Picard is the only guy in the entire drat fleet who understands that tech. I wonder why he needed that knowledge anyway, since he was just supposed to blow the place up, not study it.
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Mar 17, 2021 13:35
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It's a flimsy excuse by the writers to get Picard tortured. But at least they made the excuse and didn't really dwell on it.
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Mar 17, 2021 13:48
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John F Bennett posted:Picard is such a mary sue That sounds like the kind of cheap flaw a writer would make up for his Mary Sue character after somebody called it out for being a Mary Sue.
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Mar 17, 2021 14:48
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Picard is pretty miserable with personal relationships and has no idea how to handle kids. I'd assume that a Mary Sue would be a Sex Champion and friend to all children to a degree that makes Santa look like a chum
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Mar 17, 2021 14:51
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Who's the poor schmuck who gets to clean the holodeck after use?
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Mar 17, 2021 14:56
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Mar 17, 2021 15:03
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John F Bennett posted:Who's the poor schmuck who gets to clean the holodeck after use? 
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Mar 17, 2021 15:12
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Just have a hologram clean the holodeck
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Mar 17, 2021 15:19
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Does the holodeck replicate real food and drink if you asked for food there?
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Mar 17, 2021 17:13
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V-Men posted:Does the holodeck replicate real food and drink if you asked for food there? Yes.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:19
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Nitrousoxide posted:Yes. Then why doesn't voyager make one of their holodecks into a restaurant instead of eating Neelix's gruel?
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Mar 17, 2021 17:25
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Actual Satan posted:Then why doesn't voyager make one of their holodecks into a restaurant instead of eating Neelix's gruel? Vague rationing reasons
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Mar 17, 2021 17:50
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Actual Satan posted:Then why doesn't voyager make one of their holodecks into a restaurant instead of eating Neelix's gruel? They had replicator and holodeck rations that the crew were limited to due to the ship's energy and fuel limitations. I think they make a point of trading rations in some episodes. Running a holodeck as the mess hall would have been a very energy intensive operation. They specifically repurposed the captain's galley into the ship mess hall and used old-fashioned cooking because it was much more energy efficient. Also because the writers needed something for Nelix to do while not playing guide.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:50
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Nitrousoxide posted:They had replicator and holodeck rations that the crew were limited to due to the ship's energy and fuel limitations. I think they make a point of trading rations in some episodes. the holodeck was *mumblemumble* separate power source *mumblemumble* irish village
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Mar 17, 2021 17:56
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Realtalk tho the holodeck having a power source totally isolated from the rest of the ship is 100% a continuity thing, Geordi whined to starfleet after he had to turn off his holodeck waifu when the ship's power was running out during Booby Trap and they fixed the bug with Voyager.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:57
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The writers needed a reason why the answer to every holodeck gone mad episode wasn't "pull the plug." I'd imagine it's probably not an entirely separate power generation system tbh, but it's got its own backup supercapacitor or something so that when the ship looses power everyone who's in the middle of doing a base jumping program doesn't get pasted in the holodecks. It probably charges from the main power grid and can run the holodecks for a while (but not indefinitely) when main power fails. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Mar 17, 2021 17:58
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The Voyager power thing always felt odd to me, with Warp Drive taking you all over the place and meeting other warp capable species how do you just not get more of whatever it is you use to make power?
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Mar 17, 2021 17:58
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Nitrousoxide posted:The writers needed a reason why the answer to every holodeck gone mad episode wasn't "pull the plug." nah the holodeck has a totally different power-generating reactor which is totally incompatible with the rest of the ship's systems, got established in Parallax.
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Mar 17, 2021 18:13
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socialsecurity posted:The Voyager power thing always felt odd to me, with Warp Drive taking you all over the place and meeting other warp capable species how do you just not get more of whatever it is you use to make power? The excuse was that Voyager was using some new state of the art technology, and they couldn't get replacement parts because of it.
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Mar 17, 2021 18:16
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I'm still confused as to how the holodeck works regarding distance and travelling for the user, spacing etc.. Where can I read up on this space magic?
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Mar 17, 2021 18:41
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Just more stuff they didn't think through. Getting more antimatter is a problem, it's not just lying around, but if there are warp capable civilizations they have it and you could trade/steal some. Deuterium is extremely easy, literally anywhere with water has more of it than a starship would ever need. And deuterium is what the fusion reactors use, so there's no reason you'd have power issues. Even if you ran out of antimatter and couldn't go to warp, you'd be able to run the fusion reactors and keep the ship powered. Voyager having to deal with rationing and stuff, however, was a good story idea. But they didn't really care to explain why, nor did the rationing ever really affect anything on the show that I can remember.
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Mar 17, 2021 18:42
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John F Bennett posted:I'm still confused as to how the holodeck works regarding distance and travelling for the user, spacing etc.. Forced perspective and treadmills.
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Mar 17, 2021 18:50
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bull3964 posted:Forced perspective and treadmills. Things like that, are they explained on the show or just added outside of the series but considered canon?
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Mar 17, 2021 18:53
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John F Bennett posted:Things like that, are they explained on the show or just added outside of the series but considered canon? The latter. They never explain how it works in the show that I can recall.
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Mar 17, 2021 18:55
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If I had a holodeck i would do more interesting things like "being superman" or "flying through Jupiter like some or space sim" instead of "mundane improv theater, with me as the main actor" I think this is what you get when you get TV people to come up with what they would do if they could do anything. "I'd play King Lear... AS King Lear! Oh ho, don't mind me if I get too crazy"
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Mar 17, 2021 19:01
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Does the technical manual ever explain why when you throw a holographic rock the holodeck is too stupid to stop physically simulating the rock before it bounces off the loving wall? Was the introduction of that line of code the reason Voyager/DS9 don't need a black wall with yellow stripes to protect the emitter scaffolding?
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Mar 17, 2021 19:09
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Cat Hatter posted:Does the technical manual ever explain why when you throw a holographic rock the holodeck is too stupid to stop physically simulating the rock before it bounces off the loving wall? What makes you think they do actually physically simulate it all the way to hitting the wall?
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Mar 17, 2021 19:14
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Nitrousoxide posted:What makes you think they do actually physically simulate it all the way to hitting the wall? Data's bank shot in Encounter At Farpoint
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Mar 17, 2021 19:18
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Axe-man posted:If I had a holodeck i would do more interesting things like "being superman" or "flying through Jupiter like some or space sim" instead of "mundane improv theater, with me as the main actor" I think this is what you get when you get TV people to come up with what they would do if they could do anything. "I'd play King Lear... AS King Lear! Oh ho, don't mind me if I get too crazy" There's probably also budgetary considerations as well, sadly.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:24
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That’s another thing DS9 did right; just having people talk about their holodeck adventures instead of trying to show them and blow your budget. You don’t need to see Bashir and O’Brien flying over the channel in Spitfires, just slap costumes on them and have them toast their dead wingman at the bar.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:27
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Tunicate posted:nah the holodeck has a totally different power-generating reactor which is totally incompatible with the rest of the ship's systems, got established in Parallax.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:35
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DS9 also does have Our Man Bashir which is, imo, the best of the “uh oh, the VR system is on the fritz again and it’s about to kill everyone” episodes
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I also loved the concept of “everyone’s souls completely max out DS9’s hard drive space, so we’re gonna shunt their bodies into the holosuite system lol”
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Mar 17, 2021 19:39
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I'm one of those people who thinks that transporters kill you, so the fact that Discovery has transporter enabled comm badges is pretty funny to me since it's basically a suicide machine on tap.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:43
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I guess the episode Our Man Bashir means that souls are a thing in Star Trek? Because to store the mind of a person, wouldn't you only need to store a facsimile of his brain? This implies there is more to the brain than flesh.
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Mar 17, 2021 20:27
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm one of those people who thinks that transporters kill you, so the fact that Discovery has transporter enabled comm badges is pretty funny to me since it's basically a suicide machine on tap. A apt metaphor for the show.
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I think there's a bit of holodeck explanation in one of the first TNG episodes, but I can't remember the specifics, except whoever is explaining makes sure to end on "and a bunch of more sophisticated tricks". The biggest trick in my opinion is when the holodeck party separates and they still have to be in the save limited physical space. But it's all space magic. Meanwhile, in the Discovery timeline: " I need to be at my station way across the ship in 30 seconds. Oh well, guess I'll just kill myself"
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