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apropos to nothing posted:the grey forums are as a rule a terrible place to exist and is why I stick to the pink forum where joy is allowed. there are sitting us congress people who call them concentration camps which imo qualifies it as a mainstream and not at all fringe position to be putting forward even for liberals but the mods do not want any actual debate or discussion to happen in the debate and discussion forum. even in this the fyad-lite joke politics forum the mods are ridiculous and heavy handed and dont take any input from the community so i shant be posting here much if at all anymore. free larry, they all act like i and others are saying how dare you punish him but its the ban specifically, hes poor as poo poo and will never pay to be unbanned, dont know about the other couple people. if it was for a week or even the month thats still unfair imo but they will come back eventually but now theyre just gone. the whole forum is like this where every sub and even thread becomes its own clique or echo chamber so theres no sense of community left and people are just very quick to remove people forever at the slightest provocation and often just because a mod is pissed and doesnt like them.
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CYBEReris posted:greenwald is trash but the reason his rancid takes get trotted out is 100% to take pot shots at anyone vaguely leftist
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Lmao 
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greenwald is about a year from becoming another jesse singal
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Halloween Jack posted:They are so angry at Glenn Greenwald every single second of their miserable lives. this brings me so much joy lol
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Ferrinus posted:greenwald is about a year from becoming another jesse singal 
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but seriously, i calls em like i sees em. he did some good reporting but this is what you get from libertarians given enough time
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change it to the coexist stickers and thats you as well
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did you just post your own tweet from a year ago with 0 engagement?
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no, i don't know who that is. it might not even be the original tweet that phrased it like that since i did a search and found some other similar ones. still i think it's a good encapsulation of a particular slice of public figure including such people as glenn greenwald, lee fang, etc
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apropos to nothing posted:i shant be posting here much if at all anymore. this sucks. what the gently caress Ferrinus posted:greenwald is about a year from becoming another jesse singal yeah basically. his “actually the murders in Atlanta weren’t white supremacist terrorism” tweet is yikes
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indigi posted:yeah basically. his “actually the murders in Atlanta weren’t white supremacist terrorism” tweet is yikes that's not what he said! i don't understand how people's reading comprehension suddenly goes out the window when dealing with greenwald. i know some people read him in the worst possible way because they hate him but i've seen you be reasonable on these forums so im giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
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a Loving Dog posted:that's not what he said! i don't understand how people's reading comprehension suddenly goes out the window when dealing with greenwald. i know some people read him in the worst possible way because they hate him but i've seen you be reasonable on these forums so im giving you the benefit of the doubt here. its because glenn is smart and writes his tweets to maximize engagement
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a Loving Dog posted:that's not what he said! i don't understand how people's reading comprehension suddenly goes out the window when dealing with greenwald. i know some people read him in the worst possible way because they hate him but i've seen you be reasonable on these forums so im giving you the benefit of the doubt here. it was a very uncharitable and unfair reading of what he said, I agree. why bother saying anything at all though? why dip your toe in the “well we don’t know for sure yet that a significant rise in anti-Asian violence is due to racism” water given the entirety of American history? my bony fealty posted:its because glenn is smart and writes his tweets to maximize engagement I mean we were just giving Vaush poo poo for this, I feel like Glenn can catch some too (granted he’s done far far more good in the world via his reporting than Vaush could ever hope to)
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Mar 17, 2021 18:03
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indigi posted:it was a very uncharitable and unfair reading of what he said, I agree. why bother saying anything at all though? why dip your toe in the “well we don’t know for sure yet that a significant rise in anti-Asian violence is due to racism” water given the entirety of American history? thats just What He Does
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Lmao
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i believe greenwald when he believes everything he says, and never adopts a position for the sake of being a contrarian, but he absolutely phrases things in an extremely contrarian way a lot
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I mean, you're kidding yourself if you think 2021 Karl Marx wouldn't write a scathing polemic of every Marxist group while day trading crypto.
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a Loving Dog posted:thats just What He Does I think that’s lovely and gives cover to the chudly “just asking questions” crowd. he should stop doing stuff like that
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Gorman Thomas posted:I mean, you're kidding yourself if you think 2021 Karl Marx wouldn't write a scathing polemic of every Marxist group while day trading crypto. and he would be correct to do so
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a Loving Dog posted:thats just What He Does yes, he is a liberal
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Ferrinus posted:yes, he is a liberal no poo poo? i have never once in my life claimed he is anything other than a liberal (with heavy libertarian leanings). it just so happens that he is one of the few liberals who actually sticks to his stated beliefs for more than a few weeks at a time. which is why other liberals hate him so much
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a Loving Dog posted:no poo poo? i have never once in my life claimed he is anything other than a liberal (with heavy libertarian leanings). it just so happens that he is one of the few liberals who actually sticks to his stated beliefs for more than a few weeks at a time. which is why other liberals hate him so much no, i agree, and i like a lot of what he's written and stood up for, but it is precisely sticking to his principles which leads him to do dumb and increasingly objectionable poo poo because for all his virtues he is not a marxist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbD1XDhKr8U
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GG is another one of those situations like Bernie where I be very negative about him in venues like this but if I hear anyone give him poo poo from a liberal/centrist/conservative position I become a resolute defender
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Gorman Thomas posted:I mean, you're kidding yourself if you think 2021 Karl Marx wouldn't write a scathing polemic of every Marxist group while day trading crypto. Marx would look at the history since he last lived and be like "Holy gently caress the arc of history is long and leads straight to making fat stacks using Bitcoin"
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Ferrinus posted:no, i agree, and i like a lot of what he's written and stood up for, but it is precisely sticking to his principles which leads him to do dumb and increasingly objectionable poo poo because for all his virtues he is not a marxist So he's not like Singal, who is a weaselly rear end in a top hat who claims to stand for one thing but only actually uses that to smuggle in his lovely beliefs, then?
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sleeptalker posted:So he's not like Singal, who is a weaselly rear end in a top hat who claims to stand for one thing but only actually uses that to smuggle in his lovely beliefs, then? no. he will simply become like singal in a few years as he increasingly perceives the left to be his enemy, and increasingly claims to stand for one thing (vague "leftism", social justice, whatever) while actually smuggling in his lovely beliefs (liberalism)
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i dont think he will ever classify the left as his enemy, his husband is a socialist
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apropos to nothing posted:the grey forums are as a rule a terrible place to exist and is why I stick to the pink forum where joy is allowed. there are sitting us congress people who call them concentration camps which imo qualifies it as a mainstream and not at all fringe position to be putting forward even for liberals but the mods do not want any actual debate or discussion to happen in the debate and discussion forum. even in this the fyad-lite joke politics forum the mods are ridiculous and heavy handed and dont take any input from the community so i shant be posting here much if at all anymore. free larry, they all act like i and others are saying how dare you punish him but its the ban specifically, hes poor as poo poo and will never pay to be unbanned, dont know about the other couple people. if it was for a week or even the month thats still unfair imo but they will come back eventually but now theyre just gone. the whole forum is like this where every sub and even thread becomes its own clique or echo chamber so theres no sense of community left and people are just very quick to remove people forever at the slightest provocation and often just because a mod is pissed and doesnt like them. i know it will never happen but mods & admins should be elected and recal|able instead of completely unaccountable and as long as that's true you'll have Love Democracy Or Else combined with banning to win fights
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yeeep this describes dozens of people I know, and especially vaushite types to a T. A desire to be the most left, most transgressive person in every community you find yourself in inevitably leads to contorting yourself into whatever shape is required of you to call all your peers secret reactionaries. They're blind to their tendency to parrot imperialist propaganda because no one else on the left is saying it, so it must be...true?
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a Loving Dog posted:i dont think he will ever classify the left as his enemy, his husband is a socialist bill de blasio's literally married to a member of the combahee river collective
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Brain Candy posted:i know it will never happen but mods & admins should be elected and recal|able instead of completely unaccountable and as long as that's true you'll have Love Democracy Or Else combined with banning to win fights Brown moses/robert evans are probably creaming their pants at a chance to use state department resources to rig an election.
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Ferrinus posted:bill de blasio's literally married to a member of the combahee river collective and glenn's not a politician so he's less likely to disappoint
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Brown moses/robert evans are probably creaming their pants at a chance to use state department resources to rig an election. it absolutely owns that to even talk about things freely i have hope for things to happen in minecraft
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a Loving Dog posted:i dont think he will ever classify the left as his enemy, his husband is a socialist he should come get his mans then
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a Loving Dog posted:and glenn's not a politician so he's less likely to disappoint the problem here is that he has already repeatedly disappointed. it'd be nice if he stopped or swung back in the other direction, but being a political pundit has its own set of perverse incentives
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Deified Data posted:yeeep this describes dozens of people I know, and especially vaushite types to a T. A desire to be the most left, most transgressive person in every community you find yourself in inevitably leads to contorting yourself into whatever shape is required of you to call all your peers secret reactionaries. They're blind to their tendency to parrot imperialist propaganda because no one else on the left is saying it, so it must be...true? You believe in the "horseshoe theory."
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Ferrinus posted:bill de blasio's literally married to a member of the combahee river collective how did I not know this lol
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