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https://twitter.com/Lancer_RPG/status/1371967341869858816 https://twitter.com/Lancer_RPG/status/1371967343727886339 https://twitter.com/Lancer_RPG/status/1371967344579330054
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Mar 17, 2021 00:41
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What post was this that they're apologizing for?
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Mar 17, 2021 00:53
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mellonbread posted:What post was this that they're apologizing for? Presumably they made the mistake of comparing drag to mecha
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Mar 17, 2021 00:58
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thetoughestbean posted:Presumably they made the mistake of comparing drag to mecha I believe the issue at hand is less "What" and much more "How!?"
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Mar 17, 2021 01:06
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Kurieg posted:I believe the issue at hand is less "What" and much more "How!?" doing your business in a shiny humanoid body? adopting the 'persona' of a mech? I dunno.
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Mar 17, 2021 01:16
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They photoshoped a drag queen's face onto a mecha as part of a generally silly series of tweets, iirc.
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Mar 17, 2021 01:24
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There was a pre-existing discourse thing of 'magical girls are mecha' which was being expanded out into 'anything where you take on a different face or form in order to engage in some kind of action is mecha' as a goof, and this led to the Lancer account proposing 'drag is mecha' and it was, overall, a mess.
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Mar 17, 2021 02:04
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The existing "Ratatouille is a mecha movie." and "Magical Girl and Mechs are the same genre" things became a movie bracket and then suddenly there was an apology tweet. Did not see the controversy develop, just, instantaneous. Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Mar 17, 2021 02:05
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Big Hubris posted:The existing "Ratatouille is a mecha movie." and "Magical Girl and Mechs are the same genre" things became a movie bracket and then suddenly there was an apology tweet. This is in part because there's two people running the Lancer account and apparently one of them was less taken with the 'drag is mechs' joke than the other.
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Mar 17, 2021 02:19
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D&D sucks poo poo, but one of the things that doesn't suck about it ia that you're not allowed to post links or articles with zero commentary
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Mar 17, 2021 02:26
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Halloween Jack posted:D&D sucks poo poo, but one of the things that doesn't suck about it ia that you're not allowed to post links or articles with zero commentary I think Leperflesh has asked that the same thing happen here.
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Mar 17, 2021 02:39
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thetoughestbean posted:Presumably they made the mistake of comparing drag to mecha Also specifically called 'The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert' a mecha movie, which was in pretty seriously bad taste.
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Mar 17, 2021 05:04
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Liquid Communism posted:Also specifically called 'The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert' a mecha movie, which was in pretty seriously bad taste. That's clearly in poor-taste as a joke, but if someone managed to thread the needle and make it not offensive, I would watch that movie so hard.
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Mar 17, 2021 05:33
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Liquid Communism posted:Also specifically called 'The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert' a mecha movie, which was in pretty seriously bad taste. I think I'm a bit too boringly cis het to fully understand, is there a deeper layer to the joke beyond the fact that the movie involves a bus which can very tenuously creatively reinterpreted as a mecha?
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Mar 17, 2021 06:25
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"We are rightly shamed for making a Priscilla Queen of the Desert mecha joke and will work to earn back your trust" is somewhere after most people lose the thread of what in the gently caress Twitter is even about anymore
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Mar 17, 2021 06:34
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lightrook posted:I think I'm a bit too boringly cis het to fully understand, is there a deeper layer to the joke beyond the fact that the movie involves a bus which can very tenuously creatively reinterpreted as a mecha? Joe Slowboat posted:There was a pre-existing discourse thing of 'magical girls are mecha' which was being expanded out into 'anything where you take on a different face or form in order to engage in some kind of action is mecha' as a goof, and this led to the Lancer account proposing 'drag is mecha' and it was, overall, a mess.
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Mar 17, 2021 06:42
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I thought priscilla queen of the desert was one of the older miyazaki films
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Mar 17, 2021 13:09
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Farg posted:I thought priscilla queen of the desert was one of the older miyazaki films Nah, it's a film adaption of a musical about drag queens in Australia. With Hugo Weaving (five years before The Matrix) and Guy Pearce as the leads in drag.
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Mar 17, 2021 13:26
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it's hard to know either way
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Mar 17, 2021 15:17
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Sodomy Hussein posted:"We are rightly shamed for making a Priscilla Queen of the Desert mecha joke and will work to earn back your trust" is somewhere after most people lose the thread of what in the gently caress Twitter is even about anymore
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Mar 17, 2021 15:33
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From what I'd seen on my Twitter feed, it was that comparing mecha to drag in the way they did is kinda a "queering the war machine", "more gay drone operators" kinda deal. Like it's not a "draw and quarter" bad take but a bit of a vague-post inducing sigh-worthy one. "What if the personified version of War Crimes was gay" sorta thing.
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Mar 17, 2021 16:26
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Macdoo posted:From what I'd seen on my Twitter feed, it was that comparing mecha to drag in the way they did is kinda a "queering the war machine", "more gay drone operators" kinda deal. Like it's not a "draw and quarter" bad take but a bit of a vague-post inducing sigh-worthy one. "What if the personified version of War Crimes was gay" sorta thing. Iok Kujan was gay? I'm joking
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Mar 17, 2021 16:37
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Macdoo posted:From what I'd seen on my Twitter feed, it was that comparing mecha to drag in the way they did is kinda a "queering the war machine", "more gay drone operators" kinda deal. Like it's not a "draw and quarter" bad take but a bit of a vague-post inducing sigh-worthy one. "What if the personified version of War Crimes was gay" sorta thing. Twitter sounds loving awful, and I can't believe people read and follow this inane poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2021 16:50
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The joke was an extension of the 'magical girls are mecha' meme (joke? discourse? Is it serious enough to be a discourse?) but applied to something superficially similar but contextually extremely different. I think it landed particularly poorly in a way the tweet writer didn't expect due to the overlap? Shared space? of drag and gender nonconformity. Being a drag artist is obviously not the same, but I think it felt a little too close to a 'Caitlyn Jenner is a mecha' kind of joke.
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Mar 17, 2021 16:52
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Proud Rat Mom posted:Twitter sounds loving awful, and I can't believe people read and follow this inane poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:01
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Proud Rat Mom posted:Twitter sounds loving awful, and I can't believe people read and follow this inane poo poo. Agreed. Christ. Normally I hate the "it isn't that offensive, take a joke" poo poo, but this of all things to prompt a 5 tweet apology (from the folks doing some of the best in the industry by far to foster an inclusive game and community) that looks like what you'd expect out of "oops I was accidentally super racist and then doubled down"? Do we have nothing better to do in the RPG sphere than chase for this poo poo?
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Mar 17, 2021 17:09
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If nothing else, it's a good template for apologizing for these things. This is all intensely stupid though.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:12
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:If nothing else, it's a good template for apologizing for these things. This is all intensely stupid though. Unfortunately there is a problem with the template being widely utilized and expected to be widely utilized: it's now virtually impossible to tell who's making a sincere and thoughtful apology, and who's just good at a specialized form of technical writing.
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Mar 17, 2021 18:30
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"That apology isn't sincere enough or contrite enough!" "Wait, don't do it that well, everyone can just copy your good one!"
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Mar 17, 2021 18:46
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homullus posted:"That apology isn't sincere enough or contrite enough!"
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Mar 17, 2021 18:49
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Haystack posted:They photoshoped a drag queen's face onto a mecha as part of a generally silly series of tweets, iirc. That really seems like the sort of thing you should leave for your fan community to do.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:19
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Dear INTERNET, I am deeply sorry that I DID A SEXISM ON TWITTER. I know it was my fault. I never meant for that to happen. I never dreamed it could. I am also sorry that YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T CHECK MY FACEBOOK HISTORY and that I THOUGHT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG WAS JUST A SYMBOL OF SOUTHERN PRIDE HONEST for a little while. I hope you feel the same way. I mean this. I mean every word. - TG INDUSTRY ________________________ Like this card? Visit us at apologies4men.com! ________________________ Gatto Grigio fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Mar 17, 2021 19:51
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Midjack posted:That really seems like the sort of thing you should leave for your fan community to do. This. The relationship between fans and the object of their fandom has taken some weird turns these last few years and it is distinctly uncomfortable. Creators tend to balance on a thin line between the casual and the professional in the effort to garner the kind of bond with their fans that can be readily turned into streams of income. The total capitalist colonization of intimacy as a commodity.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:55
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I don't really have any deeper commentary or insight into the situation in question except to say that every time one of these Twitter apologies gets posted I just end up very confused. I feel like in most cases these are situations that only affect a small community of people and judgement calls from outsiders aren't really necessary.
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Mar 17, 2021 20:04
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homullus posted:"That apology isn't sincere enough or contrite enough!" Yep, that's pretty much the situation we've found ourselves in. Our best intentions led us to this point, and now there's a formula that you can easily google up, or consultants who will provide you a template for a nominal fee. I'm reasonably confident there's enough material out there now that you could train a neural network on the apology formula and have it produce sincerity-free but format-compliant letter of contrition. It really is a technical writing task, and that concerns me in a field like RPGs where technical writing is What We Do - albeit badly, most of the time.
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Mar 17, 2021 21:40
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it really makes me appreciate the people who continue to just say the dumbest and worst apologies. When it's pretty much a solved problem.
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Mar 17, 2021 21:48
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Tibalt posted:The joke was an extension of the 'magical girls are mecha' meme (joke? discourse? Is it serious enough to be a discourse?) It’s like the Die Hard is a Christmas Movie poo poo. It’s simultaneously a joke and something that people believe with all their heart and will die on the hill of
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Mar 17, 2021 23:41
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thetoughestbean posted:It’s like the Die Hard is a Christmas Movie poo poo. It’s simultaneously a joke and something that people believe with all their heart and will die on the hill of So it's also a joke that people will bring up as if they just through of it every year like clockwork? And when you're like "Yeah, that joke is old enough to vote, thanks for bringing up the topic again, bet your favorite Christmas song is Fairytale of New York too right, cause you get the say the f word" they get real mad at you? Like that.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:58
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thetoughestbean posted:It’s like the Die Hard is a Christmas Movie poo poo. It’s simultaneously a joke and something that people believe with all their heart and will die on the hill of The original meme is actually very good discourse, it's about finding the genre similarities between mecha and magical girls. Treating them as the same is just the inevitable result of nerd culture wanting to lump things under the same term, ideally pop-cultural terms.
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Joe Slowboat posted:The original meme is actually very good discourse, it's about finding the genre similarities between mecha and magical girls. Does someone have a link to the original? My google-fu is failing me.
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