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Neurolimal posted:Because the UK did get ahold of Assange, and then immediately the US requested that he be extradited. This should have been painfully obvious at the time by the UK's reaction to the charges, compared to how Europe usually reacts to famous people being pedophiles or rapists in other countries. no no no - this is nonsense you've made up. he was living openly in the UK. if the uk wanted to arrest him at the behest of the US, they could have. they didn't. at no point did he justify his refusal to go to sweden because he would need to be arrested by the UK first. he could have just gotten on a plane to sweden, escorted by the swedes! he claimed that sweden was some sort of hellhole where he would be sent to the US as compared to the UK and so he refused to go. if he was afraid of the UK extraditing him then he wouldn't have been living in the UK. it was always false. it was always obviously false. it was always obviously false taking it as a given the US would like to arrest Assange. it's not "entirely possible" for his publicly stated fears to be motivated by a desire to escape punishment. they were unambiguously motivated by that and his claim that he refused to stand trial because of a fear of extradition was always an absolute lie.
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evilweasel posted:no no no - this is nonsense you've made up. he was living openly in the UK. if the uk wanted to arrest him at the behest of the US, they could have. they didn't. holy poo poo how are you this misinformed he was arrested the second he stepped out the front door of the ecuadorian embassy in london and then sent to america where there had been a sealed indictment the whole time
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paul_soccer12 posted:holy poo poo how are you this misinformed He fled to the embassy because of the Swedish rape charges dude. His supporters and him argued the Rape charges were made up to extradite him to the US. The extradition request for the US came after he was already in there. He's a rapist who openly spread conspiracy theories that helped support Trump, how much doesn't matter. He became a tool of Russian disinformation and he openly said so to the point that he argued doing so was "Just" because of his hate of Hillary Clinton. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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paul_soccer12 posted:holy poo poo how are you this misinformed What on earth are you talking about his extradition was denied in January, although the US is appealing. He's still in the UK.
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the london police were spending like 5 million dollars a month surrounding the embassy with officers in case he tried to leave. "lived openly in the UK" lol jesus christ
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paul_soccer12 posted:holy poo poo how are you this misinformed he was arrested when ecuador invited the british police in to the embassy to arrest him after suspending his citizenship because they were tired of him continuing to publish things on wikileaks/making GBS threads all over his toilet seat. it was unclear if he would've been arrested even if he had left the embassy otherwise. in early january a british judge ruled that he cannot be extradited to the us because he is too mentally unwell.
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paul_soccer12 posted:holy poo poo how are you this misinformed i mean, it's a tough look when you claim i'm misinformed and get basic facts wrong. he hasn't been sent to america but yes, he was indeed arrested in the UK for bail jumping at which point the us requested his extradition. that's why i have been taking it as a given that america would like to extradite him - there wasn't a sealed indictment at the time or the US could have just asked the UK to extradite him at that time, but it was very obviously something that could happen. but if he was actually concerned about that happening he wouldn't have been in the UK because there's probably no easier country to extradite him from for these charges. he would have much rather been in sweden because he'd have had greater protection from extradition there, except he'd be in prison for rape most likely. paul_soccer12 posted:ya this is not true it is definitely, definitely true
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paul_soccer12 posted:the london police were spending like 5 million dollars a month surrounding the embassy with officers in case he tried to leave. "lived openly in the UK" lol jesus christ you slammed the post button multiple times before even bothering to look at the part of the timeline he's talking about
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paul_soccer12 posted:the london police were spending like 5 million dollars a month surrounding the embassy with officers in case he tried to leave. "lived openly in the UK" lol jesus christ yeah see this is the sort of depths of ignorance you need to sink to in order to defend this nonsense he lived openly in the UK until he was accused of rape, at which point he continued to live openly in the UK until it was clear he would be extradited to stand trial in Sweden, at which point he then fled to the Ecuadorian embassy after violating his bail reminder: the uk police arrested him and then let him out on bail which is a troubling fact for this nonsense
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evilweasel posted:reminder: the uk police arrested him and then let him out on bail And worth noting if the US really, REALLY wanted him, this would've never happened. US/UK Extradition is super easy.
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also he only fled to the ecuadorian embassy orignially after sweden asked the uk to extradite him so he could stand trial for rape. he wasn't indicted by the us until 2018.
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Aruan posted:he was arrested when ecuador invited the british police in to the embassy to arrest him after suspending his citizenship because they were tired of him continuing to publish things on wikileaks/making GBS threads all over his toilet seat. it was unclear if he would've been arrested even if he had left the embassy otherwise. he would definitely have been arrested because the UK was not really pleased that someone who was let out on bail decided not to show up for their extradition hearing based on flimflam nonsense, as they should be ecuador just invited the police in instead of dumping him on the doorstep out so they didn't have to be the ones to drag him out, they'd rather the UK police need to deal with it
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well in that case im trolling and youve all beeen puppetmastered. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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evilweasel posted:ecuador just invited the police in instead of dumping him on the doorstep out so they didn't have to be the ones to drag him out, they'd rather the UK police need to deal with it Ecuador had also had enough of him, he was not a very gracious guest.
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evilweasel posted:he would definitely have been arrested because the UK was not really pleased that someone who was let out on bail decided not to show up for their extradition hearing based on flimflam nonsense, as they should be yep, he was originally charged in 2010 by sweden and sweden issued an international arrest warrant for him, the uk arrested him and then let him out on bail while he appealed the extradition request to sweden, and after losing that appeal he fled to the ecuadorian embassy, arguing that the only reason he was ever charged in the first place was because of a plot by the us (and not because, you know, he committed rape). the us only indicted him in 2018. after being arrested in the uk in 2019 he was tried and convicted of jumping bail and sentenced to prison. he is currently being held pending appeal of the recent uk ruling that he should not be extradited to stand trial in the US. he has asked to be released pending this appeal, but that request was denied. Owlspiracy fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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The long and the short is: Julian Assange may have done good work at one point (like Greenwald), but he's a rapist with a sketchy recent past both with his hatred of a politician to the point of becoming a willing or unwilling Russian asset. There are so many other Whisteblowers to praise like Reality Winner or Rebekah Jones. gently caress Assange.
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There are a lot of russian asset posting in this thread, what the actual gently caress?? How is that OK??
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pieuvre armement posted:Writing rapist in every space on a mad libs page  Well, he fled extradition for rape, prevented himself from being extradited to a country with STRONGER whistleblower protections than the UK. So yeah, given that he shot himself in the foot over it and is in jail anyways for skipping bail.I think its safe to say he's probably a rapist. He can spin whatever conspiracy theories he wants about what it was really about, just like any racist can downplay their own murder-spree because "They swear they are not racist". Given that he then went and promoted Seth Rich and Clinton conspiracy theories, he sure does have a mind for spinning some wacky conspiracies. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Neurolimal posted:Very little of the conversation around Assange, since the Embassy debacle started, has been about whether or not Assange is guilty. It's entirely been about extradition, and how much the UK and Sweden can be trusted not to extradite Assange to the US. So given the last page of posts, I'd assume that since you very much are about the rape charges and take them very seriously but also care very much about US extradition, the whole "was not extradited when he very easily could have been" would be something you already knew. I personally didn't, but also I never said I wanted him to be extradited, so that's not a problem for me. Thanks thread posters for filling out that timeline!
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Jaxyon posted:So given the last page of posts, I'd assume that since you very much are about the rape charges and take them very seriously but also care very much about US extradition, the whole "was not extradited when he very easily could have been" would be something you already knew. They did try extradite him. They were rebuffed in the courts, which is a good thing.
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paul_soccer12 posted:holy poo poo how are you this misinformed What source did you get the idea he has been sent to and was held in america?
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The contrast between the mostly sane Greenwald chat and the batshit insane Assange chat is interesting. Greenwald is constantly online and is also on Fox News and regularly says bad and dumb poo poo now, so people who liked what he did in his heyday are getting pretty comfortable going  and backing away slowly. Nobody seems to find it that hard to separate his whistleblower-related activities from his general, overall shittiness in 2021.With Assange it seems like the well is so thoroughly poisoned already that despising someone credibly accused of rape, or thinking whistleblowing government crimes is actually cool and shouldn't be persecuted, is actually a coded reference to something filtered through a decade of posting feuds and conspiracy theories, so nothing anybody posts can be taken at face value but has to have some double-secret bad faith subtext to it. Neurolimal posted:They did try extradite him. They were rebuffed in the courts, which is a good thing. I think they're talking about the period BEFORE he went into the embassy. Everyone seems to be mixing up their timelines willy-nilly without even mentioning the year they're talking about though so I'm not 100% sure.
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sean10mm posted:With Assange it seems like the well is so thoroughly poisoned already that despising someone credibly accused of rape, or thinking whistleblowing government crimes is actually cool and shouldn't be persecuted, is actually a coded reference to something filtered through a decade of posting feuds and conspiracy theories, so nothing anybody posts can be taken at face value but has to have some double-secret bad faith subtext to it. Whistleblowing good. And yeah, he should not be extradited to the US for it. Now justify his supporting and leaking of Russian provided conspiracy theories and Assange openly saying he'll spread whatever he need to in order to tank Hillary Clinton's chances because he personally hated her. To the point that Trumps campaign was rumored to be trying to work with Assange on Opposition research. This isn't about his extradition anymore, its about whether Assange deserves any support or faith. https://theintercept.com/2017/11/15/wikileaks-julian-assange-donald-trump-jr-hillary-clinton/ Assange has to have been very aware of what Trump was saying and doing, and despite his beef with Hillary, he felt that Trump was a better person....that scary to think about.
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sean10mm posted:The contrast between the mostly sane Greenwald chat and the batshit insane Assange chat is interesting. It's mainly that Greenwald discussion has already been segregated; there's this thread and there's the C-SPAM thread (I think at one point there was two C-SPAM threads?). Assange is a bit more of an untamed frontier, and there's plenty of solid meat there (as opposed to Greenwald, which is a lot of people intuiting motives negative/positive unto him, either because he Owns The Libs or because he spent Obama's administration making his supporters mad, and Trump's administration making russia-gaters mad) I would honestly disagree that Assange has more Forums Cold War baggage, Greenwald has been a hot topic for several years in D&D. quote:I think they're talking about the period BEFORE he went into the embassy. I could see people justifiably brushing aside concerns about US extradition prior to the absurd embassy siege, sure.
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Kavros posted:What source did you get the idea he has been sent to and was held in america? didnt say he was in america, i said he was extradited, which i misstated. They attempted to extradite using, in part, the espionage act the UK judge, as I understand, denied it because he was mentally unwell and the fact that he would be tortured in an american prison being a human rights violation
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paul_soccer12 posted:didnt say he was in america, i said he was extradited, which i misstated. They attempted to extradite using, in part, the espionage act no the ruling specifically was that the US met every standard to extradite assange, but that assange had convinced the court he would try to kill himself if he was extradited and the US had not proved they'd successfully stop him the latter part is on appeal
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CommieGIR posted:Whistleblowing good. And yeah, he should not be extradited to the US for it. This is so hosed. Wow. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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paul_soccer12 posted:didnt say he was in america, i said he was extradited, which i misstated. They attempted to extradite using, in part, the espionage act Wait what? paul_soccer12 posted:holy poo poo how are you this misinformed 
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evilweasel posted:no https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/01/1081442 quote:In a news release on Tuesday, Nils Melzer, UN Special Rapporteur on torture, noted that such conditions would almost certainly cause Mr. Assange to commit suicide. the way you're portraying it is he threatened to kill himself if they made him face justice, which is complete bullshit
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sean10mm posted:Wait what? ok i misspoke. im well aware he was not sent to the US, because i was aware of the UK ruling that denied the extradition happens when you  fast and loose. humblest apologies
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paul_soccer12 posted:ok i misspoke. im well aware he was not sent to the US, because i was aware of the UK ruling that denied the extradition I can really feel the depth of your concern for both rape and judicial torture by the US.
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Jaxyon posted:I can really feel the depth of your concern for both rape and judicial torture by the US. Perhaps we should examine one of his words, and decide if they are not sufficiently reverential of the concepts.
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paul_soccer12 posted:https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/01/1081442 that's not the ruling, that's someone else giving their opinion the ruling was that assange met every legal requirement to be extradited, but that it would be oppressive to his mental health because he'd try to kill himself quote:"Faced with the conditions of near total isolation without the protective factors which limited his risk at HMP Belmarsh, I am satisfied the procedures described by the US will not prevent Mr Assange from finding a way to commit suicide and for this reason I have decided extradition would be oppressive by reason of mental harm and I order his discharge."
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paul_soccer12 posted:ok i misspoke. im well aware he was not sent to the US, because i was aware of the UK ruling that denied the extradition i feel like if theres any place where we understand and forgive the perils of its in the glenn thread
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Neurolimal posted:It's mainly that Greenwald discussion has already been segregated; there's this thread and there's the C-SPAM thread (I think at one point there was two C-SPAM threads?). Assange is a bit more of an untamed frontier, and there's plenty of solid meat there (as opposed to Greenwald, which is a lot of people intuiting motives negative/positive unto him, either because he Owns The Libs or because he spent Obama's administration making his supporters mad, and Trump's administration making russia-gaters mad) Or that he (Greenwald) is a colossal, raging contrarian rear end in a top hat who has taken the mask off completely.
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Look, I'm not asking for much, just a reality TV show where Assange and Greenwald have to share a cramped studio apartment with cable but no internet
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Discendo Vox posted:Look, I'm not asking for much, just a reality TV show where Assange and Greenwald have to share a cramped studio apartment with cable but no internet Allow them internet but only a single computer with daily challenges over who gets to use it to post dumbass takes on Twitter.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Allow them internet but only a single computer with daily challenges over who gets to use it to post dumbass takes on Twitter. They get internet, but it's Web TV and the keyboard loses signal intermittently. Also the internet doesn't work unless one person stands in a corner facing the wall holding a coat hanger antenna high above their head.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Or that he (Greenwald) is a colossal, raging contrarian rear end in a top hat who has taken the mask off completely. how many masks are we at now was he hiding the fact that he was a contrarian before
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