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The Oldest Man posted:Mayorkas extolled the heroism and nobility of the border patrol multiple times in the last week so I think if you're hoping the journalism lockout is for a good reason, you might want to check that optimism against the fact that he's carrying water for a fascist paramilitary in his Congressional testimony right now. Where do you get the idea I thought it was for a good reason? I said it was purely CYA.
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Willa Rogers posted:According to the AP story the other day, some of the minors being interned crossed the border with adult relatives, the latter of whom were deported. I dunno that NPR was trying to make it out as a simple situation. They did mention several times that the border is still closed to adults even though they're allowing all unaccompanied minors through, which seems like it's destined to cause bad outcomes like you're describing. I'm reminded we had some discussion about children in camps a few weeks ago and I think I posted I was hoping it would improve by April? Certainly doesn't look like it will Biden admin will need to muster a massive emergency effort to improve facilities and staffing at the border coupled with immigration reform by Congress to get this from "horrifying crisis" to something approaching a humane and sane system. Of course, the crisis has been decades in the making and is only going to get worse with climate change etc. Unfortunately I'm not terribly optimistic we'll get our act together even if the Biden admin pushes like they should, there are a lot of moving parts half of which are busted and some of which are Nazis. It's not an immediate personal concern to many Americans like COVID and economic relief are. The border is down there, a long ways away... (and yes, limiting journalist access helps keep the bad poo poo out of sight and out of mind) Willa Rogers posted:Did the NPR story touch upon or delve into how U.S. destabilization policies in Latin America, such as Honduras, have led to the migrations to the U.S.? Some, yes, and I'm aware the US is a cause of a lot of the instability and violence in Latin America though it's not something I've followed closely enough to be familiar with the histories in each country. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Jaxyon posted:Where do you get the idea I thought it was for a good reason? I was aiming that at others who are treating the behavior by Biden's DHS as good faith efforts by adding that the DHS Sec is out in front of congress talking about what heroes and humanitarians CBP/Border Patrol are, which should throw a bucket of cold water on the idea that he's doing anything in good faith. E: oh yeah his main point in his congressional testimony is that CBP needs more money. This is Biden's DHS Sec, asking for more money for Nazi paramilitaries because of the humanitarian nightmare they've created on the border.
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Jaxyon posted:My take is that Biden doesn't want journalists in there because it's Real Bad. He could just be transparent about it taking a while to fix just like with COVID or pretty much anything else inherited from Trump. Show us what's wrong, tell us what he's doing to fix it, or what's stopping him from fixing it the way he thinks it should be fixed. Keeping press out is a bad look.
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Here's the rest of this segment of his testimony in context in case you hold out hope this guy is not going to keep inflating the size and power of ICE and CBP.quote:CONGRESSWOMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION. I WALKED INTO OFFICE ON FEBRUARY SECOND OF THIS YEAR WITH ALREADY TREMENDOUS PRIDE IN THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AND THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE FRONTLINES. MY PRIDE IS ONLY SWELLED IN THE DAYS SINCE I TOOK OFFICE. I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT I WAS ON THE BORDER A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I SAW THE HEROISM OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE UNITED STATES BORDER PATROL. I SAW THEM UNDERTAKE PERSONAL SACRIFICE TO NOT ONLY ENSURE THAT THE BORDER IS SECURE BUT THAT THE NEEDS OF VERY YOUNG CHILDREN ARE TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEY ACCOMPLISH BOTH. I HEARD FROM THEM CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST HAD NOT ADDRESSED THEIR PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELL BEING. I HEARD THAT FROM THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. AND IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT WE DOUBLE DOWN ON OPERATION VOW, VACCINATE OUR WORK FORCE, AND WE'VE MADE THE TREMENDOUS STRIDES THAT WE HAVE. IT IS WHY I AM PUSHING FOR THE RIGHT SIZING OF OUR WORK FORCE AND THE FUNDING WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO FULLY SUPPORT THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, BECAUSE THEY DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO SERVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO DO SO NOBLY AND ABLY. And as a reminder, this rear end in a top hat speaks only for the pointing guns at kids/putting kids in cages agencies under DHS, not for HHS and the theoretical "good" parts of the immigration machinery that touches unaccompanied minors.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He could just be transparent about it taking a while to fix just like with COVID or pretty much anything else inherited from Trump. Show us what's wrong, tell us what he's doing to fix it, or what's stopping him from fixing it the way he thinks it should be fixed. Keeping press out is a bad look. Biden was in the white house when a whole lot of the broad strokes of current policy were put in place. His administration is actively hostile to anyone outside ice/cbp putting eyes on any of the material conditions they are imposing on these folks. His brand spankin new DHS secretary is asking for more funding for the fascist paramilitary that continues to enforce these policies (and continues to assault and poison protestors in portland to boot). If there is just one cautionary lesson we all should have learned from the Trump years, it's this: When people tell you who they are, listen.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He could just be transparent about it taking a while to fix just like with COVID or pretty much anything else inherited from Trump. Show us what's wrong, tell us what he's doing to fix it, or what's stopping him from fixing it the way he thinks it should be fixed. Keeping press out is a bad look. Yeah I agree. It's lazy and awful.
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Here's the 50 minute NPR segment I heard this morning, giving it a relisten. Seems like a very even-handed segment that's both critical of the Biden admin but looks at the border crisis in a broader context. https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2021/03/17/inside-the-biden-administrations-approach-to-children-at-the-border
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Fritz the Horse posted:What's causing the surge in migration are the problems in the countries of origin, mostly Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala. It's not US policy that's causing more people to come. Until those root causes are addressed we're going to continue to have increasing numbers of refugees and the US immigration system has been geared toward deterrence and punishment rather than accepting refugees and asylum seekers. Its US policy towards Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala that is causing the surge in migration. The US likes to engage in nation building and dabbling in backing the occasional coup against anyone bad for (US) business, and the resulting chaos and instability has directly led to people abandoning their unsafe homes for better opportunities. Some of them are also the leading edge of climate refugees, the result of yet more US policy failures stretching back decades. Sure, Trump bad man, but the pressure on Central and South American governments has been a constant in United States politics. Why do you think Obama felt the need to beef up ICE and open the child concentration camps to begin with? Too many families were coming north as the utterly predictable fallout of American imperialism. Also, as an aside, the 'surge' that Biden is currently dealing with thats forcing all these child concentration camps sounds a whole lot like Trump's 'caravan' storyline that forced all those child concentration camps during his term Kalit posted:Moving my post from USPOL to here: Theyve got a word for when the government wants to freeze out the media to peddle a centralized message that everything is, in fact, just fine and totally awesome: propaganda. The government taking measures to control the media narrative should be an enormous red flag, and its a bit baffling how anyone can be so stupid as to think its a good thing. Also, whew, what a relief, they're just following protocol from the president who built the concentration camps and didn't want the media touring them. Thats all right then, so long as theres procedure. And, as we all know, it is impossible for the head of the agency, with whom all responsibility resides, to ever change procedure during a crisis of confidence.
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Insanite posted:Absolutely. Have brutal, rebellious border and immigration agents? Don't gag them--fire them, dissolve their organizations, and prosecute them. Much like the Bush torturers or the bankers that crashed the economy and cashed out under Obama, not a single ICE agent is ever going to be held responsible for their actions. 'Holding people responsible' is not really a democrat trait
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Insanite posted:Absolutely. Have brutal, rebellious border and immigration agents? Don't gag them--fire them, dissolve their organizations, and prosecute them. what --and i mean this sincerely-- makes you think any of this is even possible under our current system? crimes that materially benefit the rich are de facto not crimes.
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Nix Panicus posted:Also, whew, what a relief, they're just following protocol from the president who built the concentration camps and didn't want the media touring them. Thats all right then, so long as theres procedure. I know we are focused on how Biden needs to do better than Trump right now, but Trump didn't build these concentration camps and start putting kids in them. Obama did, under his expanded family detention policies. Trump just made it worse by systematically separating kids from parents rather than doing it by "accident." quote:The Obama administration initially slowed family detentions, using only a single family detention center in Berks County, Pennsylvania. In 2014, however, three more facilities at Karnes, Texas; Dilley, Texas; and Artesia, New Mexico, were opened to deter asylum-seekers from seeking refuge in the United States. (Asylum-seekers waiting a final decision and not kept in detention are often paroled into the United States to await asylum hearings.) The Artesia facility was so criticized that it was shut down in less than a year. The facilities at Berks, Karnes, and Dilley are still in use by the Trump administration. Read this sentence for exactly what the gently caress it is: Obama built more concentration camps to deter asylum seekers. quote:"The photograph you're referring to was a facility in Arizona — I recognize the photograph because Gov. Brewer was with me — and it was during the spike ... and we had a lot of unaccompanied kids, we had a lot of family units. And under the law, once they're apprehended by the border patrol, within 72 hours, we have to transfer unaccompanied children to (the Department of Health and Human Services). And HHS then puts them in a shelter, and they find placement for them somewhere in the United States." Johnson explained. Ah "we're doing the best we can and the best we can do is concentration camps." It never tires, does it? The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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OMGVBFLOL posted:what --and i mean this sincerely-- makes you think any of this is even possible under our current system? crimes that materially benefit the rich are de facto not crimes. Where did I say these things were possible? They should be. They're not. No one will have to answer for any of this. e: Again, for all of the outrage over forced sterilization, kids in cages, racist cruelty, etc., apparently changing the management is enough to silence a lot of people who 'cared' about this stuff a year ago. Insanite fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Insanite posted:Where did I say these things were possible? I misunderstood then!
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The Oldest Man posted:I know we are focused on how Biden needs to do better than Trump right now, but Trump didn't build these concentration camps and start putting kids in them. Obama did, under his expanded family detention policies. Trump just made it worse by systematically separating kids from parents rather than doing it by "accident." I'm again gonna plug this 25m, transcripted Intercept podcast about this very thing: https://theintercept.com/2021/02/17/intercepted-podcast-democrats-immigrants-border/ OMGVBFLOL posted:I misunderstood then! No harm, no foul.
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Insanite posted:e: Again, for all of the outrage over forced sterilization, *Also started under Obama 
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The Oldest Man posted:*Also started under Obama Remember how everyone was incandescently furious about that for like a week until it came out that doc was hired under Obama despite having some really lovely record previously and that the complaints started before Trump even took office, and then suddenly the story just completely vanished, and if anyone did remember it then it wasn't even really that bad to begin with? Just wild poo poo
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Nix Panicus posted:Remember how everyone was incandescently furious about that for like a week until it came out that doc was hired under Obama despite having some really lovely record previously and that the complaints started before Trump even took office, and then suddenly the story just completely vanished, and if anyone did remember it then it wasn't even really that bad to begin with? I also remember when Obama press flacks said that it was important to hold people accountable (by putting them in camps) because there was like a 5% rate of people skipping their immigration court dates if CBP simply let them walk into the country, and they didn't want to ~look soft~. Dems' purported fear of Republicans being meanies in campaign ads has been the reason for as many crimes against humanity as Republicans' absolute pitch-dark evil has. Literally built the concentration camps and put kids in cages to try to convince the mean people not to put some shocking immigrant crime story poo poo in a campaign ad. Which they did anyway.
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Nix Panicus posted:Remember how everyone was incandescently furious about that for like a week until it came out that doc was hired under Obama despite having some really lovely record previously and that the complaints started before Trump even took office, and then suddenly the story just completely vanished, and if anyone did remember it then it wasn't even really that bad to begin with? that really was the perfect example of how the dems view immigration issues. When it looked like Trump did it it was (correctly) called a vile act of pure cruelty that evoked images of other horrific programs that involved using minorities as glorified medical test dummies. When it came out the guy started under Obama it was 'huh? Never heard of it before'. That's why these people can so seamlessly shift from taking faux sobbing photo ops outside camps to going 'guys the guys raping kids have been told to knock it off, we did it', the people in the camps aren't human to them they're just physical manifestations of a political argument.
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One part of the bottleneck in placing unaccompanied minors with family is that the Trump admin authorized sharing of information between HHS and DHS, so undocumented family members that agreed to accept children were at risk of being deported by DHS (and some were). This was a deterrent for sponsors to accept children. Biden admin recently revoked that and HHS can't share that information, so sponsors should no longer risk deportation for accepting placements, but it's going to take a while for that message to reach families. Melissa Adamson, attorney with the National Center for Youth Law, involved in enforcing Flores settlement: quote:"The majority of children in federal immigration custody, that is in these ORR licensed shelters that are waiting to be released to sponsors. The majority of them have family members here in the United States that they could be released to. And so a big part of the government's legal obligation to these children is to make continuous efforts at trying to identify a sponsor for a child, to reach out to them, to walk them through the application process, to vet that sponsor and then to approve the release of the child to that person.
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Fritz the Horse posted:One part of the bottleneck in placing unaccompanied minors with family is that the Trump admin authorized sharing of information between HHS and DHS, so undocumented family members that agreed to accept children were at risk of being deported by DHS (and some were). This was a deterrent for sponsors to accept children. Biden admin recently revoked that and HHS can't share that information, so sponsors should no longer risk deportation for accepting placements, but it's going to take a while for that message to reach families. Sigh. That's horrifying in a procedural way, like that there's this many inbuilt causes for prolonged misery that are hard to fight.
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Kavros posted:Sigh. That's horrifying in a procedural way, like that there's this many inbuilt causes for prolonged misery that are hard to fight. Yep. There's a lot of moving parts, including willingness of families to accept children for fear of being deported. US immigration and refugee programs just don't currently have the capacity to responsibly, quickly place children and both of those things are important. Right now we're unable to place children quickly enough and have run out of space to adequately house them. Partly that's because of deliberate Trump admin cruelty in sabotaging the (already bad) system but mostly it's decades of deterrence-based immigration policy leaving us poorly equipped to handle this as the humanitarian crisis it is. edit: my impression from that segment is that the Biden admin is taking a lot of good steps to get things more functional, but they should have foreseen this better and focused more effort on addressing the border crisis. The interviewer and guests express both frustration and some optimism at the progress being made. The conditions the children are being held in are prison-like and unacceptable. Mobilizing FEMA is good because they have experience in rapid-response construction of shelters. I agree with the poster earlier who said Biden should have a frank talk with the nation about how ugly the situation is like he did with the pandemic, let journalists in. It's bad but we need to be transparent about the situation and make sure national attention and effort are directed there. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Biden's sticking to a policy that flew in earlier admins: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/world/americas/biden-mexico-migration.htmlquote:MEXICO CITY — The Biden administration has been quietly pressing Mexico to curb the stream of migrants coming to the United States, urging it to take in more families being expelled by American authorities and to step up enforcement at its southern border with Guatemala, according to Mexican officials and others briefed on the discussions. As discussed in the Intercepted podcast ep I shared, US border policy leans heavily on stopping people before they can actually get to our border. Cleaner, that way!
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Oh yeah they're still trying to coerce Mexico into doing our dirty work for us just like Trump did. Biden's using a new tool to do that, though. https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1372581854147121152?s=19
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The Oldest Man posted:Oh yeah they're still trying to coerce Mexico into doing our dirty work for us just like Trump did. Biden's using a new tool to do that, though. holy poo poo that's Israel level evil, cool!
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Lib and let die posted:Wait, we have surplus vaccines to give? Only if you're useful to us, I guess... It doesn't sound very good to me but hey, they've assured us it's definitely not a quid pro quo!
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Lib and let die posted:Wait, we have surplus vaccines to give? Yes you've been sitting on millions of Oxford/AZ doses while the FDA makes up their mind if it's okay. Canada and Mexico have approved that vaccine, it makes no sense to let the stockpiles sit around when they could be saving lives as we speak.
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Lib and let die posted:Wait, we have surplus vaccines to give? actually yes, the Astro Zenica (may have botched that spelling) vaccine has been approved in Mexico and we have buckets of it but it's not kosher here yet for some reason so I imagine that's where we're getting the strongarm fuel from.
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The AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1) vaccine may not be very effective against the South African and Brazilian variants of SARS-CoV-2 and its use has been paused in some European countries since bad clotting appears to be an uncommon but serious side effect. It's a fair bit "worse" than the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines currently approved in the US. You could reasonably call it a second-rate vaccine but hey if Mexico wants it, better than it sitting unused in the US. Bit of a Bad Look though.
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Fritz the Horse posted:its use has been paused in some European countries since bad clotting appears to be an uncommon but serious side effect. This part might have been cleared up already? At least that's what EU regulators have declared: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/europe/ema-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-decision-intl/index.html quote:The European Union's medicines regulator has concluded that the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is safe to use after several EU countries suspended their rollouts following reports that it could be linked to blood clots.
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Fritz the Horse posted:The AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1) vaccine may not be very effective against the South African and Brazilian variants of SARS-CoV-2 and its use has been paused in some European countries since bad clotting appears to be an uncommon but serious side effect. Yeah, it may not be the best vaccine statistically, but it's still way better looking than covid, and we should really not be hoarding it just to let it go to waste, it needs to get shot into arms, and if we don't wanna use it, we should share. This deal isn't finalized or anything so I can't comment too specifically yet but the optics of combining border control issues with vaccine distribution in this way looks horrendous to me.
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Kalit posted:This part might have been cleared up already? At least that's what EU regulators have declared: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/europe/ema-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-decision-intl/index.html cross-posting from the COVID thread: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/KyGv2G/professor-says-cause-of-astrazeneca-side-effects-has-been-found Norway at least thinks it's found a link between the AZ vaccine and clotting. Mischievous Mink posted:Yeah, it may not be the best vaccine statistically, but it's still way better looking than covid, and we should really not be hoarding it just to let it go to waste, it needs to get shot into arms, and if we don't wanna use it, we should share. This deal isn't finalized or anything so I can't comment too specifically yet but the optics of combining border control issues with vaccine distribution in this way looks horrendous to me. Right, Mexico is having a rough time with the pandemic and if they're not going to be used here they ought to be shared. Having Mexico help with border control is... fine, I guess. As long as it's part of a much broader and multi-faceted strategy on immigration and amnest/refugee process which seems to be the plan. An actual quid pro quo would be very gross, yes.
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Fritz the Horse posted:cross-posting from the COVID thread: Interesting, I should probably follow that thread more. Thanks for posting this!
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Fritz the Horse posted:Having Mexico help with border control is... fine, I guess. As long as it's part of a much broader and multi-faceted strategy on immigration and amnest/refugee process which seems to be the plan. Can you tell me how "a much broader and multi-faceted strategy on immigration and amnesty/refugee process" which amounts to them providing carte blanche for US paramilitaries to operate in their country as well as Mexican security forces suppressing migrant movement toward the US border on our behalf so that our own security forces don't need to get their hands dirty in exchange for billions in military and other forms of aid excuses the specific form of a deal that involves vaccine transfers and promises of a security crackdown at the same time? Coincidence? Is this, the Mexican government promising to the US that they will continue to hold minors in contravention of a law their own legislature passed, just coincidentally timed? quote:Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas hinted at possible help from Mexico in a statement issued Tuesday. “We are working with Mexico to increase its capacity to receive expelled families,” he said, without going into detail, while warning the United States is “on pace to encounter more individuals on the southwest border than we have in the last 20 years.” At what point is this unacceptable to you? A contract signed by Presidents Biden and Obrador that specifies a quantity of vaccines per migrant detention?
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The Oldest Man posted:Can you tell me how "a much broader and multi-faceted strategy on immigration and amnesty/refugee process" which amounts to them providing carte blanche for US paramilitaries to operate in their country as well as Mexican security forces suppressing migrant movement toward the US border on our behalf so that our own security forces don't need to get their hands dirty in exchange for billions in military and other forms of aid excuses the specific form of a deal that involves vaccine transfers and promises of a security crackdown at the same time? Coincidence? I don't have a WaPo subscription to read the full article you linked and I'm not finding much regarding the details you're referencing while googling around. Could you please give me a link or two to read up on what you're talking about? Regarding your Mayorkas quote above, Mexico increasing capacity to receive expelled families seems like a "lesser evil" option since the number of immigrants and refugees legally allowed into the US is capped and until we get comprehensive reform with the help of Congress there are going to be families turned back at the border. It's evil and wrong that we don't have a system that can meet the challenge of the humanitarian crises bringing people to the border but until we overhaul the system families are going to get expelled, yeah. I was doing some reading on refugee law, this seems like another good reference for immigration law stuff: https://immigrantjustice.org/issues/asylum-seekers-refugees for example quote:A Timeline Of The Trump Administration’s Efforts To End Asylum Apparently the outgoing Trump admin issued a whole bunch of rules to gently caress up the asylum process that cannot be unilaterally overturned by a Biden executive action but need to be enjoined in court. Or fixed through legislation? I'd have to read more background on the Mexican law regarding minors. You're working off information I don't have or am unfamiliar with so I can't meaningfully comment. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:I don't have a WaPo subscription to read the full article you linked and I'm not finding much regarding the details you're referencing while googling around. Could you please give me a link or two to read up on what you're talking about? I'm not going to address your other points right now since it seems like they come from low information. Start here: https://www.propublica.org/article/allende-zetas-cartel-massacre-and-the-us-dea https://www.propublica.org/article/who-holds-the-dea-accountable-when-its-missions-cost-lives https://www.propublica.org/article/top-lawmakers-call-for-investigation-of-dea-led-unit-in-mexico https://insightcrime.org/news/us-trained-police-mexico-migrant-massacre/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/mexico-security-law-dea-agents-us http://archive.oah.org/special-issues/mexico/mtoro.html The short version of all this is that US security forces - the DEA particularly, but also others to include military special forces units, have a multi-decade history of operating in many Latin American countries including Mexico under the auspices of diplomatic immunity (or structural or informal equivalents) due to the imperial relationship the US holds over their host countries. Our paramilitaries are able to use force in these countries (or direct local security forces to do so on their behalf - or spark confrontations with locals that indirectly get people killed by the cavalier nature of their actions) and there is literally zero accountability. Most of these incidents are simply hushed up because the dead aren't important people and the local government cares more about maintaining a good relationship with the US (because of things like vaccine allocations but more importantly to them are the billions in security funding) than they do about accountability and justice for their own people. Here's an example of one of these incidents that happened in Honduras in 2012 that actually got enough attention warrant a US DOJ OIG report. quote:In the May 11 incident, three U.S. and Honduran law enforcement officers aboard a disabled canoe-like DEA agents opened fire on a boat full of random people and murdered four of them. Then their superiors lied to the DOJ OIG and Congress about it. Guess what happened next, after five years and multiple investigations. quote:On May 24, 2017, a "critical report" by the inspectors general for the Justice and State departments on the three incidents was released, saying "officers and agency officials misrepresented facts on their use of deadly force, follow up investigations were flawed and U.S. officials misled Congress about what happened".[4] However, the report also concluded that there was no evidentiary basis to charge any of the agents, nor did any of the agents involved on the ground lie to or mislead investigators. The point is, the US-Mexico relationship is not a peer relationship. Mexico is the modern equivalent of a suzerainty by virtue of our economic and military power over them, and their government knows it. So when some American PR flack comes out at a presser and smugly asserts that they just happened to agree on releasing more vaccines to Mexico the same week that the Mexican government assured the US that they would defer or "alter" a just-passed law that interferes with their ability to execute the US's imperial dictates to them to crack down on and imprison migrants on our behalf, the idea that they're unrelated to each other is loving laughable.
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The Oldest Man posted:I'm not going to address your other points right now since it seems like they come from low information. Start here: Thank you, I'll make my way through at least some of this and circle back sometime this weekend.
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quote:CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (Reuters) - The United States is expelling migrants to Mexico far from where they are caught crossing the border, according to Reuters witnesses, in a move that circumvents the refusal of authorities in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas who stopped accepting the return of migrant families with younger children. Broke: letting immigrant families into the country and giving them a court date (or don't! just let them the hell in, our apparatus to expel them is one thousand times more dangerous to us than immigrants are) Woke: Forcing them back over the border Bespoke: Putting them on planes in the middle of the night and flying them to another part of the border to force them back over
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