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Atrocious Joe posted:How is the Korean media reacting the news of the shootings in Atlanta? basically the same way we are contrary to popular belief korean outlets dont actually do their own reporting for most international news stories and since the main interest to koreans in general is that some of the victims were korean theres even more of an emphasis on the racist element and even more of a downplaying of the massage parlor element the last thing anyone wants to do is acknowledge that koreans who run off to the united states arent all living the american dream and are in fact often forced to persist in less than ideal employment circumstances which is a bit of a shame theres a pretty hard irony to korean women being recruited to work at american massage parlors when in korea proper this kind of work is almost exclusively the province of thai women or other southeastern asians who are exploited in a very similar way
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Mar 19, 2021 08:06
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1372689473142685703
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Mar 19, 2021 08:07
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The Soviets' critique of American racism and appeal to African Americans was more convincing given the USSR working with post-colonial Africa and enforcing racial integration ideologically i can't see that with China given old-school Asian racism against black/brown people. at a national level, they also really messed up working with Africa by going with a model where they use Chinese companies and nationals to do infrastructure work
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Mar 19, 2021 08:21
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shrike82 posted:The Soviets' critique of American racism and appeal to African Americans was more convincing given the USSR working with post-colonial Africa and enforcing racial integration ideologically elaborate on “old-school Asian racism against black/brown people”
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Mar 19, 2021 08:27
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quote:https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/chinese-tv-features-blackface-performers-new-years-gala-14179742
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Mar 19, 2021 08:28
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not seeing prejudice plus institutional power here tbh. (to clarify, it is offensive, prejudiced, and silly, but it cannot be evaluated in the same way you’d evaluate Justin Trudeau, for instance) mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 08:41 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 08:31
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Really? Again?
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Mar 19, 2021 08:44
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i mean the least negative interpretation is that Chinese live within an ethnic monoculture so they're blind to issues like this but this doesn't bode well for working with African Americans for example
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Mar 19, 2021 08:49
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Biden: "I'm going to punish you for what you did!!!" Lmao Putin wishing someone good health is terrifying jfc
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Mar 19, 2021 08:54
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shrike82 posted:i mean the least negative interpretation is that Chinese live within an ethnic monoculture so they're blind to issues like this but this doesn't bode well for working with African Americans for example African Americans, historically, have faced greater challenges “working” with other Americans than they have and ever will with Chinese, fwiw
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Mar 19, 2021 08:54
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shrike82 posted:i mean the least negative interpretation is that Chinese live within an ethnic monoculture so they're blind to issues like this but this doesn't bode well for working with African Americans for example "these foreigners are totally racist because one billion+ people scattered over the second-largest country in the world are just some undifferentiated monoculture" he said, wokely
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Mar 19, 2021 08:56
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 i'm just saying it's another bulletpoint in a long list where the PRC doesn't really compare to the USSR as an ideological alternative to the US
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Mar 19, 2021 08:59
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1372712095633043461 Literally everything in the 2nd story (the couple that had 6 kids and wouldn't stop) would apply to a han chinese. And the first story is pretty fishy. Also I mean, what are these stories supposed to accomplish, if not saber rattling? The increased attention will not help anyone. If anything that guys family (1st story) was doing ok. If they were before they definately won't now that the guy has gone to cnn for a tell all expose.
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Mar 19, 2021 09:08
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I wouldn’t necessarily say that Soviet media had a perfect record on race even if incidents were at times unintentional.
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Mar 19, 2021 09:47
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mawarannahr posted:African Americans, historically, have faced greater challenges “working” with other Americans than they have and ever will with Chinese, fwiw theyre facing greater challenges working with joe biden right now than they ever have or ever will with the chinese
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Mar 19, 2021 09:57
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shrike82 posted:they also really messed up working with Africa by going with a model where they use Chinese companies and nationals to do infrastructure work err... how else do you do an infrastructure project except by sending over professionals to do the work? isn't the whole point that youre doing the infra as part of the contract, since the locals for a variety of reasons mostly related to corruption have been unable to?
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Mar 19, 2021 11:52
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shrike82 posted:
probably a strike in its favor
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Mar 19, 2021 12:06
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https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1372869357387317248?s=19
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Mar 19, 2021 12:18
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Kurnugia posted:err... how else do you do an infrastructure project except by sending over professionals to do the work? isn't the whole point that youre doing the infra as part of the contract, since the locals for a variety of reasons mostly related to corruption have been unable to? lol
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Mar 19, 2021 12:21
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Somebody mentioned War Nerd podcast on this thread. I looked it up out of curiosity of the name. Their latest podcast (with Myanmar something in the title) has a lengthy discussion of Uyghurs Zenz reporting. Every Uyghurs news report the guy came across link to the Zenz, sometimes plus a bonus NED funded NGO. It's refreshing to hear fluent English speakers (Americans?) who don't take these reports at face value and dig at the actual reference. I don't know who these guys are, but sounded like they are coming from an anti-Bush foreign policy angle. I agree with their sentiments, you don't have to exaggerate the numbers and doctor every report to point out there is repression. Maybe it's because they used the Zenz's million-Uyghurs number already and they can never go back to a realistic (I am guessing) 50k, 100k estimate number because someone will say, "A ha! CCP is getting better!" Or maybe, just maybe, CIA doesn't have any good intel in Xinjiang at all.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:33
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shrike82 posted:lol cool
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Mar 19, 2021 12:37
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I’m just surprised that we still have people talking about African infrastructure development being hampered by domestic corruption
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Mar 19, 2021 12:40
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shrike82 posted:I’m just surprised that we still have people talking about African infrastructure development being hampered by domestic corruption how many africans do you talk with on a daily basis? cuz systemic corruption is what they all complain to me about, "massacre the thieves" being the most common opinion on how to fix the issue
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Mar 19, 2021 12:43
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shrike82 posted:I’m just surprised that we still have people talking about African infrastructure development being hampered by domestic corruption lol
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Mar 19, 2021 12:44
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Kurnugia posted:how many africans do you talk with on a daily basis? cuz systemic corruption is what they all complain to me about, "massacre the thieves" being the most common opinion on how to fix the issue ok... and are these white afrikaners?
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Mar 19, 2021 12:51
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shrike82 posted:Chinese live within an ethnic monoculture lmao
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Mar 19, 2021 12:59
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Chomskyan posted:lmao whys this funny? they all look the same to me
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Mar 19, 2021 13:03
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shrike82 posted:ok... and are these white afrikaners? ...no, they are not. most of my african friends are nigerians, in case you wanna find something else to dismiss my arguments
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Mar 19, 2021 13:05
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forums poster shrike82 looking over a country with dozens of ethnicities, languages, varying traditions, and customs: "Hmm, yes they all subscribe to the 'asian' monoculture"
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Mar 19, 2021 13:08
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stephenthinkpad posted:Somebody mentioned War Nerd podcast on this thread. I looked it up out of curiosity of the name. Their latest podcast (with Myanmar something in the title) has a lengthy discussion of Uyghurs Zenz reporting. Every Uyghurs news report the guy came across link to the Zenz, sometimes plus a bonus NED funded NGO. War Nerd is amazing for realising that 99% of geopolitical journalism is hearsay pass-it-on bullshit the same people have been recycling for decades because everyone is too lazy, corrupt and/or stupid to do any real reporting. Dolan and Ames are both Americans but have both been thoroughly disenchanted with the American hegemony through frontline experience. Ames by living in Moscow through the looting and collapse of the Soviet Union and Dolan experiencing similar in the Middle East (amongst other things).
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Mar 19, 2021 13:08
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arguing for the need of foreign enterprise/resource extractors in developing Africa doesn’t have a good history so color me skeptical of anecdotes about domestic corruption and “massacring thieves” and come to think of it, it's particularly interesting that China doesn't try to spread an Asian style development model i.e., building indigeneous industries/capabilities shrike82 has issued a correction as of 13:24 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 13:12
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edit: ugh this was a dumb loving sideline and I don't care
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Mar 19, 2021 13:14
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Speaking of infrastructure, I think the debt trap angle is dying down. I haven't heard of "debt trap" news report from a mainstream outlet in a while. Somebody pointed out that it's unwise to accuse China that, because you are essentially saying that all the developing countries who are borrowing Chinese money dumb and don't know how to handle finance. Currently a few African countries have very active infrastructure projects going on, here are a few I can remember off the top of my head. * Egypt's dictator is building a whole new city, Chinese companies are actively participating in the contracts, but Chinese bank only involve in like 10% of the financing. Egypt has been in the top 2 recipient of US military aid for the longest time, you know where they got the money to build the city. * Ethiopia is building the Grand Renaissance Dam. I don't know who is building it for Ethiopia but I know China is not part of the financing. It's interesting because Ethiopia has always been China's friend since Mao era. * Congo (the bigger Congo?) is build the Grand Inga Dam, China firm is one of the 2 construction compaies. If all phases completed, it will become the biggest dam in the world. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 13:18 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 13:16
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the only problem with foreign infra projects in africa has been the lack of infrastructure construction, since so far africa has been a colony under exclusively exploited by various western merchant companies. arguing that all foreign involvement in africa is bad because europeans are murderous assholes is about as reasonable and believable as the imperial claims of bringing civilization and progress through ruthless exploitation the chinese are out-competing western companies because they actually deliver on all those promises, unlike western mining companies who have mostly just used the infra money to bribe government ganglords to enforce worker discipline for them. another quote from my friends: "the british never left" is a common opinion among nigerians. they are looking to china as an alternative to utterly corrupt (and corrupting) western capital, and boy is that competition making the brits and the french uncomfortable
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Mar 19, 2021 13:30
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Chomskyan posted:forums poster shrike82 looking over a country with dozens of ethnicities, languages, varying traditions, and customs: "Hmm, yes they all subscribe to the 'asian' monoculture" it's really funny to me as a balkan person because china has an even sillier history than this stupid trash region. but!! it's been a single country for the last handful of decades, and for americans one country means monoculture apparently e: unless something like ~free tibet~ is on the agenda for geopolitical reasons, obviously
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Mar 19, 2021 13:31
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The debt trap angle died down after China started restructuring loans so that its debtors wouldn't default, which is the exact opposite of what you'd expect China to do if they were going to weaponize the debt
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Mar 19, 2021 13:41
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theres also the unavoidable fact that the vast majority of foreign debt in africa isnt owned by the chinese not that you would ever know this since the debt owed to china is the only one anybody talks about
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Mar 19, 2021 14:02
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mawarannahr posted:not seeing prejudice plus institutional power here tbh. (to clarify, it is offensive, prejudiced, and silly, but it cannot be evaluated in the same way you’d evaluate Justin Trudeau, for instance) It's the state doing it, what institutions have more power? You've already admitted it's prejudiced.
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Mar 19, 2021 14:02
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mawarannahr posted:African Americans, historically, have faced greater challenges “working” with other Americans than they have and ever will with Chinese, fwiw hope you're well paid
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Mar 19, 2021 14:04
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China is also not really interested in other countries' domestic affairs, as they've shown and stated multiple times at this point. If they were they would have done something w/r/t Myanmar as the most obvious example. They're peak socialism in one country lol A lot of the debt writing down was for the interest free loans, which is good, especially with the financial crash, but the majority of their loans are your standard equities or credit lines which get a much less aggressive restructuring. Iirc China has been pushing for a larger debt relief plan for Africa that involves private banks and MDBs though I don't know what their success rate is in that department
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