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denereal visease posted:Yo the Corsair A500 is not at all in the same class as the NH-D15S. If you actually watch the video you just linked, like actually watch it, you will see that at low power draw CPUs like the one he says he’s buying it performs literally the same. Steve says it’s “a couple of degrees off in a heavily controlled test” Also steve: “They are equal at a 120 Watt load” The 5800 X is under a 120 W chip. Keep in mind this recommendation was for a 5600X. The corsair cooler is a bad buy at $100 but it’s not $100 it’s $45. Edit: The reason Steve is bad mouthing it so much is because corsair was charging $100 and claiming that they could beat the other $100 cooler when it simply cant and doesn’t even have RGB. Which is why you often see this thing on sale. spunkshui fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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The rear of the desk cabinet is open, it's only enclosed on the left and right of the case. Would that make a difference?
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well why not posted:The rear of the desk cabinet is open, it's only enclosed on the left and right of the case. Would that make a difference? yeah, you are probably good then unless its against a wall making an effective closed back.
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Alright, after delving neck deep into tech reviews/videos/articles, I think this is what I'm going with. Getting the retailer to put it all together for me so I assume this means they'll do any motherboard updating, RAM XMP settings, etc. Would appreciate comments on this build, I went with a few odd choices, I think. Decided to go with 4x8GB of RAM for the possible dual rank benefits, but I've only gone with CL16 3200MHz instead of a CL14 or 3600MHz as it seems like there's basically no difference to a Ryzen 5600x, is this crazy? The dual rank benefits were only ~10% FPS in 1080p gaming, but it still seems worth it? The extra 16GB is a nice side benefit if I wanted to open more than 7 tabs in chrome. Went with just a SATA SSD since it seems the speed difference with a M.2 NVMe is unnoticeable in real world conditions. However, a Crucial P2 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD is $20 cheaper than the Samsung 860 Evo? Is there any reason why? Is Samsung overpriced? I considered a 450M motherboard instead of 550M since it seems like PCIe 3.0 was enough, even for the RTX3070, except for one small test case with Doom, but I ended up going for a 550M anyway since I couldn't find a decent 450M that saved me that much money and there might conceivably be issues in the future. For the case, I went with the Lian Li Mesh Performance that everyone seems to be jizzing over. Not sure if I should save $50 and go with the 205 Mesh Mid instead? Got a pretty standard CPU cooler with the 212 Turbo. I've heard the extra fan doesn't really do much, but it was like an extra $6. Chose a 750W PSU even though 650W should be enough. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED Turbo White Edition 66.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($65.00 @ PLE Computers) Motherboard: ASRock B550M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.00 @ PLE Computers) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($115.00 @ PLE Computers) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($115.00 @ PLE Computers) Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($139.00 @ PLE Computers) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB EAGLE Video Card Case: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit Total: $603.00 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-18 18:07 AEDT+1100
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crepeface posted:Alright, after delving neck deep into tech reviews/videos/articles, I think this is what I'm going with. Getting the retailer to put it all together for me so I assume this means they'll do any motherboard updating, RAM XMP settings, etc. Would appreciate comments on this build, I went with a few odd choices, I think. Generally looks solid enough and it sounds like you've mostly thought over and arrived at the right conclusions for most of your build. Idk where you're seeing 10% fps differences with RAM configuration, most of the charts I can see are like 3% tops, and also it should be moot because if you're gaming at 1080p with a 3070 and 5600x you're wasting a whole load of potential. At higher resolutions it's not going to matter at all, you'll be entirely GPU bound. If the NVMe is cheaper then go for the NVMe obviously, yes Samsung are overpriced in general. If NVMe drives and b550 boards don't cost a huge amount more (or are equal or less in some cases) then the other point would be why wouldn't you go for the newer options with more recent tech, If we're already seeing benefits to PCIe 4 on b550 boards? IDK if paying for windows is a requirement for that company to build it for you but if not you could save yourself the money and install it yourself with a key from the guy in SA Mart for $15. Assembling it and making sure it boots to BIOS is the difficult bit, installing windows and setting XMP are incredibly easy by comparison. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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spunkshui posted::words and specifics: My issue is not someone recommending the A500 for a specific user and their use case, it's definitely fine for a 5600X. But the broad generalization (like the "5600X is the best gaming CPU hands down!" dust-up) that it's comparable to a NH-D15S is not fine.
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Vir posted:Yes, you have to enable XMP (called D.O.C.P. on some AMD socket motherboards) to get the XMP speed of 3200 CL 16. Otherwise it runs on the default speed of 2133 CL 15. My BIOS says 2400MHz but Windows says 3200MHz, which is true?
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WattsvilleBlues posted:My BIOS says 2400MHz but Windows says 3200MHz, which is true? What does cpu-z say? Should show half of the number it really is (1600 for 3200, etc).
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denereal visease posted:Firstly, thank you: I appreciate the rebuttal! I had seen/heard some of Gamers Nexus trashing of that cooler but never cared enough to actually watch the video, so I also wondered for a second about that recommendation but spunkshui specifically mentioned its heavily discounted price as making it worthwhile. This leads me into a criticism I have of Gamer's Nexus videos that I'll raise for discussions sake. While I really appreciate their meticulous methodology for testing things in every possible way you could imagine, and because of that they catch things like the NZXT H1 PCIe riser fire hazard, I do think they're overly focused on absolute performance above every other metric in their reviews of products, no matter how minimal the gains or real world effects they have for most potential users. They seem to have a single ideal in their head, that of the best airflow lowest thermals fastest storage/RAM highest potential cooling/overclocking, and all of their reviews are structured around how the product relates to that. Less clued up PC builders then use those videos as justification for spending way over the odds on products that they simply don't need, because bigger number means better product, even if they're never planning on overclocking or coming remotely near the performance thresholds where the small gains would actually matter. I know this mindset existed long before their videos but I can't help thinking that it perpetuates that very 'reddit' attitude that you simply must have the biggest/fastest/best everything in your system or you're a poor pleb. Case in point, their review of the Scythe Fuma 2 - first he seemed almost grudging in getting around to it, insinuating that people asking him to review it were paid shills for the company rather than customers genuinely interested in the product, and then went on to be very moderate in his praise of the product, even though the actual content of the review showed it to be better than pretty much everything else within ~$50 of the price. It was getting compared to the biggest AIO coolers and radiators which for most people just looking for the best value air cooler for their build are totally irrelevant comparisons.
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Butterfly Valley posted:I had seen/heard some of Gamers Nexus trashing of that cooler but never cared enough to actually watch the video, so I also wondered for a second about that recommendation but spunkshui specifically mentioned its heavily discounted price as making it worthwhile. They have that bias, but they also wear that bias on their sleeve and are very clear that that's the metric they are using. They also aren't unfair. Steve may hate the concept of the Fractal Design 7, but he's still willing to admit and draw attention to the fact that it's an outlier in their noise-normalised testing chart because they couldn't actually make the case loud enough.
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Butterfly Valley posted:I had seen/heard some of Gamers Nexus trashing of that cooler but never cared enough to actually watch the video, so I also wondered for a second about that recommendation but spunkshui specifically mentioned its heavily discounted price as making it worthwhile. I don’t know if I agree with this. He’s pretty explicit about what the gains look like, and very purposely shows super old hardware in the charts so people have a real, fat driven comparison. He also repeatedly speaks about not upgrading for upgrading sake, and to only upgrade when you’re missing performance you want to prevent e-waste and to save money. And he often poo poo talks companies that offer single % generational gains. He makes offhand and minimal comments about it, but he also sometimes talks about how he doesn’t have the latest stuff in his personal machine either. I think he talks so much about % gains because that is the only meaningful way to compare all these different products. They test with everything else so controlled that they can make incredibly specific performance gain claims that actually hold up. Edit: I forgot to add that iirc the main criticism of the Fuma 2 was that they capped the fan speed so it would never be loud, but resulted in a situation where it couldn’t keep up at higher temps. Pilfered Pallbearers fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Butterfly Valley posted:Generally looks solid enough and it sounds like you've mostly thought over and arrived at the right conclusions for most of your build. Oh, I've seen buying keys before, I just always assumed the giant savings of ~$200 was too good to be legit. How the hell does that work? 10% fps difference with dual rank RAM was from these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ&t=461s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGux0pANft0&t=102s And yeah, b550 and NVMe is probably what I'll go with. Edit: Just realised the NVMe SSD doesn't have DRAM and the Samasung SATA does. Thoughts on which one is better? crepeface fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Butterfly Valley posted:
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GN has access to a shitload of hardware and data to know what is objectively best at [whatever metric], but at the end of the day I think 80-90% of their staff has 3-5+ year machines at home.
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Alchenar posted:stuff Pilfered Pallbearers posted:more stuff Yeah all of that is fair and like I said I don't have a problem with their methodology particularly, all the tech youtubers have to do deep dives into the minutiae to discern where the differences are, and their dives are the deepest and most thoroughly evidential. I suppose I'm mainly speculating about how that information is then taken and interpreted by their watchers. Maybe it reflects me more than them but I feel if I was just basing my purchasing decisions on information from GN I'd get way too hung up on minor details and differences that make very little difference in the overall build, and second guessing my choices, rather than some of the other tech youtubers I've watched where they're more like 'here's your choices, here's the testing we did, most of these are fine don't worry about it if you're not doing extreme overclocking', case in point being the Fuma 2 - the capped fan speed is perfectly fine for the majority of users who would use it to cool medium TDP CPUs, and would only be an issue if you're trying to use it on an OCed 5900x or 5950x. But I feel if you watched that video with a 5600x you might get hung up on the details and end up going for a 360mm AIO because it's at the top of the chart. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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I'm having a weird issue with my PC. I was messing around my fan curve to cut down on the amount of ramping up and down from the CPU fan, so instead of just going auto (which sets the fan to run at 20% at 0, 30% at 40 degrees, etc), I set it to run at 50% until it hit 50 C, then ramp up from there. However, in Ryzen Master, it was saying my Ryzen 5 3600 was running in the mid to high 50s when idling, and Open Hardware said the same. I just set the curve back to normal (ie, lower RPM) and my temps are in the 30s again. Any idea of why this is happening? I'm using the 150 TDP Pure Rock 2
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AMD's site sucks dog turds holy gently caress got to the payment confirmation and then nothing
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I live in the United States. I don't live near a Microcenter. Needing to upgrade my tower because a 4th gen i5 just isn't cutting it anymore. The system is to be used for streaming games as a VTuber, which means running face tracking software (prprlive or VTube studio) alongside Streamlabs OBS and the game itself. My two monitors are super old 1080p 60Hz, but I'm hoping to upgrade those next year. In the future when GPU prices go down or my funds go up, the system will also be used for streaming VR game sessions (HTC VIVE). PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($449.00 @ Best Buy) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.95 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg) Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($93.89 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($224.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: My GTX 960 still works, so I plan on using that until GPUs become affordable again, then maybe something like a 3070. Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case. <- My current case. Aside from lacking a USB-C header, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't do the job. Power Supply: *EVGA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1087.81 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-18 16:22 EDT-0400 I'm not sure if my choice of cooler is overkill, so looking for advice on that. I'm also looking for a sanity check on the power supply, if that will be a reliable model and if it's not too overkill considering my planned GPU expansion.
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Vinigre posted:I'm not sure if my choice of cooler is overkill, so looking for advice on that. Everything looks good. The 5800x apparently runs hot so a decent cooler is advisable. The Noctua U12S is fine but you can get the Fuma 2 for $15 cheaper, which outperforms it handily and is even a match for the ~$100 U12A. Your PSU is a decent brand. 650W would be perfectly sufficient for your eventual GPU but it's not like the one you've got there is overpriced.
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A few months ago, I posted a build I was looking at. Since then I've acquired a GPU and a couple other parts. Could someone please sanity check the build as it stands before I go buying more stuff? PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($219.00 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI B450M BAZOOKA MAX WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg) Memory: *Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($93.89 @ Newegg) Storage: *Team MP33 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon) Acquired Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6 GB HYBRID Video Card I got this very cheap from a friend when my current build's GPU shat the bed, so it's going into the next build Case: Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($51.98 @ Newegg) Acquired Power Supply: *Thermaltake Smart BX1 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg) Total: $572.83 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-18 17:29 EDT-0400 to recap, I'm mostly just looking for a good mid-ish-range gaming rig for the next while. My old rig is painfully bad and most of the components are 10+ years old and I want to replace everything and start fresh. Does this all look ok, as far as pricing and such?
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I would never use the PCpartspicker parametric selection for a PSU. The Corsair CX is a thread standby if you are going for something bronze-tier. e:If you're not particularly budget-constrained, then for your use case there is an argument for spending a bit more on a good gold-rated PSU with a 10 year warranty(example) . If you are budget constrained, you can save $10 with a miniscule drop in performance by dropping to a CL18 RAM kit. FreeKillB fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Vinigre posted:I live in the United States. I don't live near a Microcenter. Some of the only 3070s I could find were the overclocked ones that recommend 750w. It's partly why I'm going with that instead of 650w.
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crepeface posted:Oh, I've seen buying keys before, I just always assumed the giant savings of ~$200 was too good to be legit. How the hell does that work? Business PCs came with an OEM Win7 pro key on a sticker, but most businesses use volume licensing like MAK or KMS to license the OS. During the Win10 push, Microsoft allowed free upgrades from 7 to 10, and also allowed you to activate a fresh copy of 10 with a 7 key. They were supposed to have stopped doing that a couple years ago, but never did and it still works like a charm. Or maybe there's some other magic going on. LodgeNorth claims his keys aren't OEM so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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So are there any ATX cases narrower than the Meshify 2 Compact or Define 7 Compact that'll fit a DH-15s?
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denereal visease posted:The Arctic Liquid Freezer II is pretty well regarded. I really like mine. I've only got the 240mm version but it's extremely quiet and cool.
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NeoSeeker posted:What would one recommend as a good CIC CPU water cooler? I have room for two fans on the top and front of my case, one in back. Power and noise isn't an issue. Watch a YouTube video of someone installing a I/O in your case if you can. It’s how I learned that the case I was shopping for it doesn’t actually fit a radiator up top because it hangs over the motherboard and hits tall ram. I think most AIOs are similar enough that it’s worth considering what other software you have to run in the background and whether or not you want to buy more components from that company. I stick to corsair because I’m already in that RGB ecosystem anyway. But if I recommend you a corsair cooler you’re gonna have to download and run “icue” just to be able to control it’s pumps and fans. If you’re already running icue for another product of course that’s not an issue. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...t=#rotatingText Sometimes corsair has sales directly on their website but I’m not seeing much right now for AIOs.
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FreeKillB posted:I would never use the PCpartspicker parametric selection for a PSU. What's the appreciable difference between the bronze and gold ratings for a PSU? I assume vagaries, but don't know the specifics there. And other than the PSU, does everything else look ok?
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neogeo0823 posted:What's the appreciable difference between the bronze and gold ratings for a PSU? I assume vagaries, but don't know the specifics there. It’s efficiency (wattage in->wattage supplied to the computer) ratings, basically.
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Mu Zeta posted:You can get every PC component right now easily except the GPU. It's an improvement from last year when you couldn't find PSU either. Availability for Ryzen in the UK isn't normal yet, either the usual stores have no stock or the prices are inflated.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Availability for Ryzen in the UK isn't normal yet, either the usual stores have no stock or the prices are inflated. Pretty much the same in Canada. Though I did get lucky last week and found/ordered a 5800X.
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neogeo0823 posted:What's the appreciable difference between the bronze and gold ratings for a PSU? I assume vagaries, but don't know the specifics there. It's an efficiency rating. In turn, low efficiency ratings generally mean lower quality (at least up to gold, beyond gold it rarely matters).
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:It's an efficiency rating. In turn, low efficiency ratings generally mean lower quality (at least up to gold, beyond gold it rarely matters). I’ve never seen anything past gold that wasn’t for a workstation or the most truly more-money-than-sense type enthusiasts.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Five months ago, I decided to put off buying a complete system including GPU and instead opted to grab everything but the GPU late January and then hope for the GPU prices to drop by mid-late March. At least you have the 2060, that's enough GPU to be going on with for the time being. Also there's no such thing as a 6GB version of the 3060, there's only a 12GB version and then the 3060ti which has 8GB.
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neogeo0823 posted:What's the appreciable difference between the bronze and gold ratings for a PSU? Pilfered Pallbearers posted:It's an efficiency rating. In turn, low efficiency ratings generally mean lower quality (at least up to gold, beyond gold it rarely matters). Ugly In The Morning posted:I’ve never seen anything past gold that wasn’t for a workstation or the most truly more-money-than-sense type enthusiasts. Pretty much all SFF components come at a premium, so it's generally not a big ask of SFF builders to pay a little more for a higher efficiency PSU.
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