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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

while it's certainly even more repugnant to say this about homosexual and transgender people this isn't his first suspiciously-close-to-bi-erasure hot take lately either

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Owlspiracy
Nov 4, 2020


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1372310893552369669

here's our friend glenn fervently agreeing that black people are the REAL racists

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

while it's certainly even more repugnant to say this about homosexual and transgender people this isn't his first suspiciously-close-to-bi-erasure hot take lately either

i sadly didn't notice that. sorry.


like on some level i "get the anger", because i have had it for other parts of the disabled community but you have to move past that poo poo and try to help everyone and help the whole community. Greenwald just sounds like he wants to be the Biggest victim or some poo poo.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 18, 2021

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Quotey posted:

I understand that, but the OP is asking what he's done and "What are some of his best hits that make so many people hate him?" Then the only things that get linked is the thread on twitter about white supremacy and an article he wrote from 2005. The rest of it is just circlejerky call and response poo poo. The only good short response was the one along the lines of "he's a civil libertarian who takes it to extreme lengths" IMO.

I read the shipping and tech threads, probably one or two others occasionally. Other than that it's just seeing what the latest stuff from the leper's colony is.

I already posted a bunch of his anti-trans rants.

Why are you lying?

BougieBitch
Oct 2, 2013

Basic as hell

Quotey posted:

Sure


Very catty. I suppose he also posts on twitter about all the fracas at the border but IDK, I don't follow him. The "legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law;" thing is an issue (if it means what I think it means, unclear, but the rest is reasonable growth.

Okay, so you have a single post from almost 10 years ago that doesn't even actually say "I'm sorry for referring to immigrants as 'hordes'" and you think that absolves him from appearing on the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour? The follow-up post is basically a classic "I'm sorry if you were offended", he even tries to reframe the things he said as looking out for the interests of undocumented people. We have a lot of more recent words and actions that extrapolate backwards to this initial blog post, so I'm gonna need to see something extrapolating the apology forward to the present, before I'm inclined to give even a tiny bit of benefit of the doubt to someone trying to use his identity as a gay man to oppress trans men

Edit: let's also be clear, you can be a white nationalist without wanting to exterminate the other, the thrust of what he is saying is "people should stay in their country" which is one of the classic covers for it - "Blood and Soil" and all that

BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 18, 2021

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



holy poo poo i'm just catching up -- people were saying "mask off" earlier in the thread but that piece about trans people today really loving is completely off

edit: lmao also i see the whole "bi people in opposite-sex relationships are actually straight people faking it" part too, which totally owns and he's definitely doubling down on since he first floated that idea a week or two ago

eke out fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 18, 2021

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

eke out posted:

holy poo poo i'm just catching up -- people were saying "mask off" earlier in the thread but that piece about trans people today really loving is completely off

edit: lmao also i see the whole "bi people in opposite-sex relationships are actually straight people faking it" part too, which totally owns and he's definitely doubling down on since he first floated that idea a week or two ago

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/video-with-katie-herzog-on-the-expansion

here is the direct link to his little shitfuck TERF bullshit. I honestly never ever ever want to hear about Glenn allegedly doing something good ever again. I don’t care. He is a NIMBY rear end in a top hat who is cool fistbumping tucker and other nazi fucks as long as they aren't Brazilian and now he is spewing their messages for them on twitter because he is a weird rear end in a top hat.




Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 18, 2021

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
I could swear there was an episode of Democracy Now where they had both Assange and Greenwald on, and I remember that someone - I think it was Assange - got really mad at the other, and basically accused them and Democracy Now of being government stooges or something like that. I tried trawling through the Democracy Now archives but I can't find it. I think it was sometime in the first half of 2017, maybe 2016.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Quotey posted:

I understand that, but the OP is asking what he's done and "What are some of his best hits that make so many people hate him?" Then the only things that get linked is the thread on twitter about white supremacy and an article he wrote from 2005. The rest of it is just circlejerky call and response poo poo. The only good short response was the one along the lines of "he's a civil libertarian who takes it to extreme lengths" IMO.

I read the shipping and tech threads, probably one or two others occasionally. Other than that it's just seeing what the latest stuff from the leper's colony is.

I mean people have pointed out several articles where he is making racist arguments and the times he has publically defended racists and the time he happily defended nazis as a lawyer and the fact that he's a regular on the most watched white supremacist show in the world and makes racist arguments while there and here's a whole twitter thread from a journalist who's familiar with him and talks about his racism.

But I mean, if you ignore all of that maybe it's just circle jerks.

I forgot that if you're white passing you have to basically participate in a literal lynching to be declared a white supremacist. And sometimes not even then. Maybe he's just having a bunch of "bad days".

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Jaxyon posted:

I mean people have pointed out several articles where he is making racist arguments and the times he has publically defended racists and the time he happily defended nazis as a lawyer and the fact that he's a regular on the most watched white supremacist show in the world and makes racist arguments while there and here's a whole twitter thread from a journalist who's familiar with him and talks about his racism.

  1. I don't know exactly which articles you're referring to but 'making racist arguments' in itself does not make you a white supremacist except in the loosest, academic sense of the term. It's obviously bad but not every person harbouring racist views is Stephen Miller. It doesn't make sense for both these things to be true: (A) racism is systemic even in non-fascist societies, and (B) every person who has a racist thought is a fascist. If being pedantic about the definition of domestic terrorism on twitter is as bad as he gets (and that seems to have been what launched this thread), then I'm sorry I can't agree with this.
  2. The ACLU represented Jason Kessler in Charlottesville. Are you going to argue that the ACLU is white supremacist?
  3. This guilt-by-association thing with Tucker Carlson is horseshit. Greenwald posts where he won't be edited for length and talks where people will let him run his mouth. When he writes, he attacks the fascist government of Brazil (classic fascist thing, hating the fascist government, getting death threats from fascists, marrying socialist politicians). When he talks on Carlson's show, he rants against the US security state (classic fascist thing, hating the military and police).

eke out posted:

holy poo poo i'm just catching up -- people were saying "mask off" earlier in the thread but that piece about trans people today really loving is completely off

it's masks all the way down

BougieBitch posted:

The wild thing to me is that everyone basically agrees that GG is bad with, at most, the caveat that he did good things at one point in the past but hasn't done anything of value lately. His crimes are broadcasting his lovely thoughts on every platform he has ever had and generally pursuing the spotlight to open his idiotic mouth on any and every topic.

In contrast, we still have people defending Assange, who has done exactly one good thing EVER and even that might need an asterisk since he did it in a way that hung the actual leakers out to dry and didn't make any attempt to make even cursory redactions. He has been widely reviled by anyone who has ever come into contact with him, from the other people involved with WikiLeaks to the film-maker doing the documentary, to the people who had to deal with him in the embassy. He has committed multiple no-poo poo crimes like rape, and yet people are rolling in here trying to make some sort of "well the US prison system is a crime against humanity, so let's make sure this white male rapist doesn't have to deal with it". Why waste your breath on him, if you want to talk about prison reform then just talk about prison reform, you don't need to loop Assange into it as the poster child when there are literally millions of more sympathetic people. It's basically the affluenza argument.

The only possible reason I can see for people to fall into this pattern of reflexive defense is because Assange has the legal assistance to stop him from sending out his own kneejerk tweets in the same pattern, so rather than getting the new "GG says some inflammatory poo poo" tweet thread you only see the bloodless news stories that come from sources you don't like to begin with and so you have to create your own spin for the motivations of all the actors, and since you pre-filled "America is doing fascist things because they always do" you are inclined to cast Assange as a victim, whereas when GG harasses someone on Twitter America has nothing to do with it, so you have to evaluate the situation based on what people actually do and say.

Basically, because Assange committed huge crimes years ago, people don't get constant reminders about his shittiness, whereas GG bullies and slights people constantly without having a discrete event where he turned the corner, so you can always declare the new thing a bridge too far. Admitting that Assange is bad requires acknowledging that he was also bad in 2010 and it was a mistake to ever give him that leeway, because he hasn't meaningfully added to his list of bad poo poo since then (his support of Trump and Russia poo poo aside, it's probably not criminal and not an issue worth litigating). People don't want to re-inspect their priors about him because there aren't any new facts to weigh- it requires you to acknowledge that in the past you were okay minimizing the severity of the allegations or weighing his personal behavior against his political impact as though one could make up for the other.

People have turned the corner on Greenwald because it doesn't require the same level of introspection- it's a lot easier to say "in light of new evidence, this dude sucks" than to say "I made the incorrect judgement on this topic in the past, and I am acknowledging that mistake so that I can make better judgments in the future"

this whole thread is clearly a direct extension into this forum of some trivial dustup on twitter, where tucker memes and evidence-free namecalling are persuasive. even bougiebitch's embarrassing effortpost here doesn't name a single obviously bad thing Greenwald has done, he just spends like 500 words trying to imagine every combination of vice and prejudice that would lead someone to disagree with him. perhaps my choleric humour is unseasonably elevated and, in combination with Mercury descending through Pisces, that's what made me post in this thread

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
also lol at demanding I 'meet effort with effort' when responding to a loving twitter link

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Eugene V. Dubstep posted:

also lol at demanding I 'meet effort with effort' when responding to a loving twitter link

I mean, your post before this one is a really good one that clearly took some effort, so - more like that please!

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Majorian posted:

I mean, your post before this one is a really good one that clearly took some effort, so - more like that please!

suck my dick

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Grammarchist
Jan 28, 2013

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/video-with-katie-herzog-on-the-expansion

here is the direct link to his little shitfuck TERF bullshit. I honestly never ever ever want to hear about Glenn allegedly doing something good ever again. I don’t care. He is a NIMBY rear end in a top hat who is cool fistbumping tucker and other nazi fucks as long as they aren't Brazilian and now he is spewing their messages for them on twitter because he is a weird rear end in a top hat.

I generally stay the hell away from Twitter, so thanks for linking this. Usually I only ever hear about Glenn from an old right-wing college friend who cites him and Bari Weiss whenever he needs launder a viewpoint through a source he thinks I'll defer to.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
I don't get why greenwald went with 'one iota of evidence' after, what, 12 months of trump and the far right yelling about the 'china virus' and 'wuhan flu' and obviously escalating anti-chinese/asian sentiment nationwide. If he was making some point about 'don't judge this before we have the full story' then sure, okay. Defaulting to a position that of course there isn't even a shred of evidence is just bizarre in light of the last 12 months.

Of course there is always the simple explanation

BougieBitch
Oct 2, 2013

Basic as hell

Eugene V. Dubstep posted:

  1. I don't know exactly which articles you're referring to but 'making racist arguments' in itself does not make you a white supremacist except in the loosest, academic sense of the term. It's obviously bad but not every person harbouring racist views is Stephen Miller. It doesn't make sense for both these things to be true: (A) racism is systemic even in non-fascist societies, and (B) every person who has a racist thought is a fascist. If being pedantic about the definition of domestic terrorism on twitter is as bad as he gets (and that seems to have been what launched this thread), then I'm sorry I can't agree with this.
  2. The ACLU represented Jason Kessler in Charlottesville. Are you going to argue that the ACLU is white supremacist?
  3. This guilt-by-association thing with Tucker Carlson is horseshit. Greenwald posts where he won't be edited for length and talks where people will let him run his mouth. When he writes, he attacks the fascist government of Brazil (classic fascist thing, hating the fascist government, getting death threats from fascists, marrying socialist politicians). When he talks on Carlson's show, he rants against the US security state (classic fascist thing, hating the military and police).


it's masks all the way down


this whole thread is clearly a direct extension into this forum of some trivial dustup on twitter, where tucker memes and evidence-free namecalling are persuasive. even bougiebitch's embarrassing effortpost here doesn't name a single obviously bad thing Greenwald has done, he just spends like 500 words trying to imagine every combination of vice and prejudice that would lead someone to disagree with him. perhaps my choleric humour is unseasonably elevated and, in combination with Mercury descending through Pisces, that's what made me post in this thread

This wasn't a post about what GG has done because we already had like 5 pages of that at the start of the thread. If you can't be arsed to read a 6-page thread before responding then you are going to be missing the context of posts, it turns out. The point was that most of the damage GG does is through being a lovely loudmouth who contributes to a general atmosphere of oppression for minority people on the internet (which is no worse than, say, JK Rowling or whomever) and yet everyone who has to read his takes is completely loving sick of him because he has spent the last 6 months jerking himself off on twitter about being oppressed by cancel culture and posting horrid poo poo invalidating the experiences of oppressed minorities in the US, but nothing he has done comes anywhere close to the level of poo poo Assange has done. That's the whole point, the Greenwald poo poo has been litigated repeatedly (and at this point basically no one who posts here regularly will bother to defend him because you basically have to start defending hate speech now that he has veered into calling trans people confused lesbians) and his poo poo has completely oversaturated discourse, while we still have people unironically defending Assange against his imaginary black bag squad when he is a literal rapist who used his privilege to evade arrest and trial because people haven't revisited the facts of that situation since they made their initial knee-jerk call about whether Assange was a net positive over a decade ago before the rape allegations became public (or they just immediately assumed that they were fabricated)

Edit: also it feels like some horrifying cosmic irony that we various and sundry minority posters have to explain why out and out bigotry is bad to the usual loving suspects in a microcosm of GG opening his ignorant loving mouth on Twitter about whether trans people deserve rights or Asian-Americans are currently suffering from increased hate crimes from white people. Sit the gently caress down and let people who are informed and have a stake in things lead the discussion

BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Mar 19, 2021

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Unrelated but lol

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1372604301164613641?s=21
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1372632832879816705?s=21

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
Free speech crusader Glenn Greenwald thinks a chud Circuit Court Judge who wants to overturn Sullivan is cool and good because she DESTROYED the mainstream media with FACTS and LOGIC in a glorified email forward she submitted as a dissent.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1372941568584335361?s=19

There is literally nothing more important to this man than a list of newspapers he doesn't like getting taken down a peg. Nothing. Everything he says is working backwards from NYT Bad.

TheScott2K fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Mar 19, 2021

Fart Amplifier
Apr 12, 2003

TheScott2K posted:

Free speech crusader Glenn Greenwald thinks a chud Circuit Court Judge who wants to overturn Sullivan is cool and good because she DESTROYED the mainstream media with FACTS and LOGIC in a glorified email forward she submitted as a dissent.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1372941568584335361?s=19

There is literally nothing more important to this man than a list of newspapers he doesn't like getting taken down a peg. Nothing. Everything he says is working backwards from NYT Bad.

Only a complete moron would suggest that the US media is ideologically homogenized.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Fart Amplifier posted:

Only a complete moron would suggest that the US media is ideologically homogenized.

Only a complete moron (like this judge and I guess Glenn) would suggest that said homogenization is somehow censoring conservatives.

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin

Fart Amplifier posted:

Only a complete moron would suggest that the US media is ideologically homogenized.

Bold assertion when every facet of news media in America is compromised by capital. You couldn't measure the degrees of seperation in ideology between the people that sign Tucker's check or Maddow's.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Terminal autist posted:

Bold assertion when every facet of news media in America is compromised by capital. You couldn't measure the degrees of seperation in ideology between the people that sign Tucker's check or Maddow's.

Why does this matter at all in a discussion of the many odious, indefensible things Glenn Greenwald does? And by the way, his reasoning for his objections could not be more obvious: he's still butthurt that his editors wouldn't let him publish an unsourced, unverified smear in their paper.

Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Mar 19, 2021

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


TheScott2K posted:

Free speech crusader Glenn Greenwald thinks a chud Circuit Court Judge who wants to overturn Sullivan is cool and good because she DESTROYED the mainstream media with FACTS and LOGIC in a glorified email forward she submitted as a dissent.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1372941568584335361?s=19

There is literally nothing more important to this man than a list of newspapers he doesn't like getting taken down a peg. Nothing. Everything he says is working backwards from NYT Bad.

"Wow, this judge seems to hate editors even more than I do. Awesome!"-Glenn, probably.

I do wonder what the end game is for him here, career wise. It's clear he's abrasive whenever he has an editor that doesn't allow him to just write what the gently caress ever and there's only so much time in a day for Tucker Carlson appearances.

I guess Twitter and substack posting for the rest of his days?

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008
lol thinking there is the no difference between Tucker and Rachel Maddow is just some deeply stupid poo poo. It’s a kind of performative cynicism that ends up leaving you with just as little idea of what’s going as the most wide eyed naivety.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Still Dismal posted:

lol thinking there is the no difference between Tucker and Rachel Maddow is just some deeply stupid poo poo. It’s a kind of performative cynicism that ends up leaving you with just as little idea of what’s going as the most wide eyed naivety.

That's true, only one of them would support a war with Iran. So I guess they're not identical.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I don't have a strong opinion on Greenwald, but I am curious as to why the USPol thread melts down about him pretty much every single day. The last time it was some person just begging for a random leftist to show up and defend Greenwald like they were posting a Craigslist hookup ad.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Halloween Jack posted:

I don't have a strong opinion on Greenwald, but I am curious as to why the USPol thread melts down about him pretty much every single day. The last time it was some person just begging for a random leftist to show up and defend Greenwald like they were posting a Craigslist hookup ad.

I don't know the answer to that, but hey, that's part of why this thread was made: so that there would be fewer derails about him in USPOL.:)

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Halloween Jack posted:

I don't have a strong opinion on Greenwald, but I am curious as to why the USPol thread melts down about him pretty much every single day. The last time it was some person just begging for a random leftist to show up and defend Greenwald like they were posting a Craigslist hookup ad.

Good news! There's a thread you can read.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

Slanderer posted:

That's true, only one of them would support a war with Iran. So I guess they're not identical.

Yeah, why support a foreign war when you can support a domestic ethnic cleansing? Clearly they are the same.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

TheScott2K posted:

Good news! There's a thread you can read.

He wants the actual reason, though. Theres plenty of bigots & libertarians that USPOL-types ignore, sometimes even post.

My earnest take: Greenwald was a prominent opponent of Obama's foreign policy, the surveillance state, and Russia-Gate. He made good arguments about subjects soft liberals would have preferred to keep out of sight & mind, and so was reposted. The only retort at the time was "how dare he say these things on the channel willing to have him on" which is very obviously pathetic.

Forward to today, Greenwald is a 54 year old substack & twitter dork who has terrible opinions about trans folk and is deeply contrarian in a way that might make him difficult to defend without twitter deepdives. Finally, the dreaded Greenwald stan can be put in their place!

But everyone interested in talking about that posts in C-SPAM threads about Greenwald now, not USPOL or this thread. So you have this niche of people eager to assert dominance over 1-12 year old feuds, and noone to dom.

I have an unhealthy interest in arguing with people online, but even I got burnt out fast on this thread with the whole "intuiting if you secretly love rape because you used the word sexpest" nonsense. There's a lot of negative, forcefully toxic energy that finds its way into folk posting about Greenwald.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Mar 19, 2021

Fart Amplifier
Apr 12, 2003

Terminal autist posted:

Bold assertion when every facet of news media in America is compromised by capital. You couldn't measure the degrees of seperation in ideology between the people that sign Tucker's check or Maddow's.

1) Fox News was literally given as an example as a unique entity separate from the homogenized media.
2) If your idea of "homogenized" means "exists within capitalism" then it's a useless idea and you're talking about something different than everyone else

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008
look you pathetic brunchgoing pmc libs, there’s my podcast with 40 listeners that calls for full communism now, and then there’s All Other Media, which, being pathetic tools of capital, are all essentially identitical.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

Still Dismal posted:

look you pathetic brunchgoing pmc libs, there’s my podcast with 40 listeners that calls for full communism now, and then there’s All Other Media, which, being pathetic tools of capital, are all essentially identitical.

Please sign up for my patreon, comrades.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Handsome Ralph posted:

"Wow, this judge seems to hate editors even more than I do. Awesome!"-Glenn, probably.

I do wonder what the end game is for him here, career wise. It's clear he's abrasive whenever he has an editor that doesn't allow him to just write what the gently caress ever and there's only so much time in a day for Tucker Carlson appearances.

I guess Twitter and substack posting for the rest of his days?

Possibly aiming for a job at fox news, which is why he appears there constantly, repeats right wing talking points (including promoting the Hunter Biden thing or the 01/06 narrative), attacking leftists like AOC, etc. Though I wonder if Murdoch pays better than grifting idiots on substack

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Eugene V. Dubstep posted:

also lol at demanding I 'meet effort with effort' when responding to a loving twitter link

Michael Harriot: Known for his low effort posts on racism.

Neurolimal posted:

He wants the actual reason, though. Theres plenty of bigots & libertarians that USPOL-types ignore, sometimes even post.

Like who? Also, you're a USPOL-type, comrade.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

How are u posted:

Please sign up for my patreon, comrades.

only by contributing to my gofundme will the revolution succeed

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
Glenn determined to make it clear he's a transphobic shithead
https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1373663172738084869

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
concrete benefits like police not taking reports if you get attacked and likely assaulting you themselves

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Piell posted:

Glenn determined to make it clear he's a transphobic shithead
https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1373663172738084869

i get some big weird Green eyed monster vibes whenever i hear this kinda poo poo. "WHY AM I NOT GETTING CONGRADULATED" type poo poo.

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Fart Amplifier
Apr 12, 2003

"trans people are actually privileged" is a loving disgusting take.

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