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infrastructure building (e.g., dams, roads, highways, power generation) and resource extraction is the lowest hanging fruit for building up domestic industries/capabilities. arguing that that requires full end-to-end foreign intervention (down to foreign migrant labor) after which the locals will somehow be able to build up from there seems ahistorical and again, an argument that foreign resource extractors would make
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Mar 19, 2021 14:15
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shrike82 posted:infrastructure building (e.g., dams, roads, highways, power generation) and resource extraction is the lowest hanging fruit for building up domestic industries/capabilities. what are you, a complete idiot? "the lowest hanging fruit"??? how the gently caress do you think you get electricity and roads to people with neither, magic? western colonial regimes and their successors sure as poo poo havent buildt anything, and the chinese have, so what loving ahistoricity are you babbling about?
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Mar 19, 2021 14:24
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new cold war twitter is gonna be the same as syrian war twitter on a much larger scale
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Mar 19, 2021 14:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKiiEMB5Ps https://files.catbox.moe/f8n7ry.mp4 BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 15:17 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 15:12
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Chomskyan posted:forums poster shrike82 looking over a country with dozens of ethnicities, languages, varying traditions, and customs: "Hmm, yes they all subscribe to the 'asian' monoculture" one of the annoying things about this forum is morons like shrike82 that're too stupid for even d&d are allowed to post freely here because moderation is for liberals
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Mar 19, 2021 15:41
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So this is pretty deranged. https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1372922868141600772
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Mar 19, 2021 15:50
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Matt please read a history book, or any book at all thank you
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Mar 19, 2021 16:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1372712095633043461 ahahaha holy poo poo its adrien zenz again
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Mar 19, 2021 16:39
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Mar 19, 2021 16:40
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i find it weird that you think the chinese have a history of enslaving africans and also have a long history of using blackface to dehumanize said former slaves please point to the place in china's history where they have enslaved africans and historically used said blackface to dehumanize those slaves do you believe the chinese also share in the same guilt that america and most of the west have in creating a massive slave trade of africans and destroying their culture? really curious about that bro Agrajag has issued a correction as of 16:46 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 16:42
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Kurnugia posted:what are you, a complete idiot? "the lowest hanging fruit"??? how the gently caress do you think you get electricity and roads to people with neither, magic? western colonial regimes and their successors sure as poo poo havent buildt anything, and the chinese have, so what loving ahistoricity are you babbling about? "lowest hanging fruit" frames a process like building an entire modern state over a century as easy to understand as a game of Civilization 6 Also on the point of colonial powers not doing jack poo poo about infrastructure. This is true and makes it that much more ironic for when Canada and America built their own railroads back home, they just did it with a bunch of Chinese laborers.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:04
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if you give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. teach a man to fish and you'll have imprisoned him to your will their whole life long 
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Mar 19, 2021 17:12
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Grapplejack posted:China is also not really interested in other countries' domestic affairs, as they've shown and stated multiple times at this point. If they were they would have done something w/r/t Myanmar as the most obvious example. They're peak socialism in one country lol One of China's big takeaways from the cold war is that attempting to support a network of socialist client states simply isn't efficient from a realpolitik perspective. The soviet union got bogged down in shoring up its allies from US aggression, as demonstrated by Afghanistan. Ironically it also seems harder for the US to subvert China's right-wing allies since the base of support that would usually be sympathetic to the US is already aligned with China. In comparison to a socialist state where the reactionaries are shut out of power and looking for an outside patron to back a coup. China's foreign policy is not pretty or commendable but it is logical and mutually beneficial.
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Mar 19, 2021 20:07
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mila kunis posted:one of the annoying things about this forum is morons like shrike82 that're too stupid for even d&d are allowed to post freely here because moderation is for liberals that idiot can post the dumbest poo poo but uninterrupted gets forum-banned for "genocide denial" AKA saying what everyone else here is saying flavius, rescind the forum ban or explain why uninterrupted's posts were any different than any other post doubting adrian zenz and western media's take on uyghurs
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Mar 19, 2021 20:30
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Updates from your swedish correspondent: a swedish reporter wrote about how the chinese embassy tried to "silence" him! Dude wrote an article (in one of the biggest papers in sweden) about how sweden should boycott the 2022 winter olypics. It compares the 36 olympics in nazi germany to the 2008 olympics in china. And he writes something like "more and more people describe what's happening in Xinjiang as a genocide". The lead paragraph says that china is engaged in a "genocide-like" persecution. Pretty standard stuff. Here's that article: https://www.expressen.se/kultur/sverige-bor-bojkotta-vinter-os-i-kina-2022/ Title of his new article is "how the chinese embassy is trying to silence me". The attempt to silence him was by sending this horrifying e-mail:  Article here: https://www.expressen.se/kultur/sa-forsoker-kinesiska-ambassaden-tysta-mig/ Writing about how horrible china is he links to a study by a think tank called frivärld (freeworld in english) which is very concerned about free trade, liberal democracy and security politics. Would it surprise you that the first point on their "about us" page is that: NATO is the foremost guarantor of transatlantic security? The funding for this think tank comes from organizations representing swedish employers and big business interests. He also writes for inbeijing.se. An obscure site that suddenly got VERY interested in Xinjiang during the last two years for some reason. I'm a bit puzzled as to why they actually published the (partial) e-mail. Why not just say that you got a threatening message from the chinese embassy? Revealing that it was just "strong discontent and firm objection" seems dumb. I can't imagine anyone who cares enough to actually read it will have any other reaction than: oh, that's it? PS. I can't help but quote this guy in an article about how Tiktok and Facebook are so different and Tiktok is dangerous. He starts by admitting that all our data is collected by these companies. But, he says: "in spite of all the faults of Facebook and the USA, the company is not being used as a tool of the american state to undermine the liberal world order." Speechless.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:05
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https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1372953119282360325?s=21
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Mar 19, 2021 22:27
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quote:in spite of all the faults of Facebook and the USA, the company is not being used as a tool of the american state to undermine the liberal world order technically true.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:28
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Hedenius posted:Updates from your swedish correspondent: a swedish reporter wrote about how the chinese embassy tried to "silence" him! lmao this poo poo is a dumb expat china watcher who is still extremely mad he got thrown out of the country in 2016 for working illegally without a permit for nine loving years 
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Mar 19, 2021 22:48
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Sweden has always been the most anti China European country. They were just too busy with "herd immunity" to make China news last year. I can see them actually boycotting winter Olympic BUT, using Olympic event to buy prestige for a country is dumb. And winter Olympic is not a real Olympic. So cancel away.
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Mar 19, 2021 23:15
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“most anti China European country” sounds like an official designation that China would label, what does that even mean and it’s only a couple years since pundits were claiming that China had successfully peeled the EU from the US using soft power and trade
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Mar 19, 2021 23:34
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Relevant Tangent posted:hope you're well paid aren’t you the one who thinks China is genociding its Han population?
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Mar 19, 2021 23:37
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Comrade Koba posted:lmao this poo poo is a dumb expat china watcher who is still extremely mad he got thrown out of the country in 2016 for working illegally without a permit for nine loving years It's such sloppy propaganda! The point is to get people to blame climate change on china. But why would you write in in a way that is very easily interpreted as china barely being affected by the pandemic as the EU and US are hit hard? This loving guy...
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Mar 19, 2021 23:48
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shrike82 posted:“most anti China European country” sounds like an official designation that China would label, what does that even mean It's not really true either. Relations were pretty good until Gui Minhai was detained. Since then it's been pretty frosty. And it doesn't help that the latest chinese ambassador to sweden is a colossal moron who is amazing at creating bad press for china.
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Mar 19, 2021 23:55
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shrike82 posted:“most anti China European country” sounds like an official designation that China would label, what does that even mean https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1372874913195847683?s=19
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Mar 19, 2021 23:57
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“wolf warrior diplomacy” seems largely to be Chinese diplomats getting into slapfights with local politicians can’t wait for version 2.0 aka “shitposter diplomacy”
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Mar 19, 2021 23:59
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You troll this thread often enough to know that we are already there https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1372930316411756549
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Mar 20, 2021 00:04
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the guy’s some rando journo that no one gives a poo poo about except online leftist Twitter I was thinking more of officials like XJP directly shitposting about Biden clipping etc shrike82 has issued a correction as of 00:10 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Mar 20, 2021 00:08
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Probably going to be a while before we get Trump with Chinese characteristics.
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Mar 20, 2021 00:13
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is it godwin's law when you are literally addressing the nation of germany?
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Mar 20, 2021 00:16
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mawarannahr posted:aren’t you the one who thinks China is genociding its Han population? was
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Mar 20, 2021 00:21
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Sweden can't be the most anti-China country in Europe if only because other European countries have literally invaded China before. Until Sweden gets that done I refuse to consider them.
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Mar 20, 2021 00:23
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Lostconfused posted:Probably going to be a while before we get Trump with Chinese characteristics. not convinced you get a trump under any system but capitalism so china will probably be spared that nightmare
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Mar 20, 2021 00:23
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Atrocious Joe posted:Sweden can't be the most anti-China country in Europe if only because other European countries have literally invaded China before. Until Sweden gets that done I refuse to consider them. european countries that have literally invaded and attempted to carve up china like they did africa lecturing china is pretty amusing to watch
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Mar 20, 2021 00:53
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Lostconfused posted:You troll this thread often enough to know that we are already there he has no chill
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Mar 20, 2021 00:55
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Since y'all got me curious I looked up a paper on how swedes view china. It's from the Swedish Institute of International Affairs (published in november last year). Swedes have a very negative view of china compared to most european countries. And it has gotten moreso in the last few years. You can find the report here: https://www.ui.se/globalassets/ui.se-eng/publications/ui-publications/2020/ui-paper-no.-8-2020.pdf There was one thing I found quite surprising though.  Apparently swedes felt that the US helped less during the pandemic compared to china.
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Mar 20, 2021 00:58
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Well I am talking in the last few years. Sweden is the Australia of Europe.
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Mar 20, 2021 00:59
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https://twitter.com/AmbassadeChine/status/1372813385688027138?s=20 lol, pretty low energy
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Mar 20, 2021 00:59
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stephenthinkpad posted:Well I am talking in the last few years. Sweden is the Australia of Europe. is there a swedish military thinktank that employs a bunch of poo poo posters pushing anti-China BS.
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Mar 20, 2021 01:04
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shrike82 posted:and come to think of it, it's particularly interesting that China doesn't try to spread an Asian style development model i.e., building indigeneous industries/capabilities That is what's happening though. In many African countries, local workers are over 80 or 90 percent of the labor force in Chinese projects, and over time even Chinese managers and executives return home after training local replacements. Most projects are joint ventures with local governments or enterprises with the eventual goal of the locals taking control completely.
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Mar 20, 2021 01:05
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Lostconfused posted:Probably going to be a while before we get Trump with Chinese characteristics. chen guangbiao already exists
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