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FlamingLiberal posted:the hook of US Agent showing up at the end was not really that big of a deal IMO.
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apatheticman posted:Sebastian Stan was the bomb in Kings. Kings was truly the bomb, it was where I discovered the glory that is Ian McShane
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Totally out there theory based on absolutely nothing: Bucky's therapist is Moonstone and this is all to set up Thunderbolts.
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Invalid Validation posted:Is US Agent supposed to be a good guy or bad guy in the comics? After that the '90's took over and he just followed the exact same 'crabby-with-a-heart-of-gold' white male rear end in a top hat Invalid Validation posted:Ah so real Captain America. AJA fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:- that really garbage bit with the Tunisian family. Don't pretend you've got anything to say about race, show. You don't. You mean the two second scene where that guy thanked Sam for his part in unblipping everyone?
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Open Source Idiom posted:- that really garbage bit with the Tunisian family. Don't pretend you've got anything to say about race, show. You don't.
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STAC Goat posted:I understand why Bucky doesn't share his darkest secrets on a first date but I also wonder how long he thinks he can hide the metal arm. What's the plan, Buck? Nevernude but for his left arm only. Also re: people not recognizing him. I'd say his most recognizable features from the days he was the world's most wanted fugitive are the long hair and the metal arm, and he's cut the hair and hiding the arm (it also looks different now, but I'd wager there are not that many insanely high-end prosthetics in the world, even in a world with Stark Tech and whatever Wakanda's deciding to share with everyone else). e: Bucky's not responsible for what he did as the Winter Soldier. He blames himself, yeah, and feels incredible guilt, and that 100% makes sense, but he's not a villain. He was a weapon, a tool, in the hands of the actual villains the whole time. cyclical fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Mar 20, 2021 11:40
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Bust Rodd posted:Having an Avengers level operator vulnerable to basic financial extortion seems outrageously bad OpSec. What good is having these people around if they are so broke any oligarch could just turn Hawkeye into a mercenary? This is exactly what took me out of it for Sam’s story. It stretches credulity to the max. This would be a red flag for normal Top Secret security clearance people. Koirhor fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Mar 20, 2021 14:39
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Koirhor posted:This is exactly what took me out of it for Sam’s story. It stretches credulity to the max. This would be a red flag for normal Top Secret security clearance people. I could see that being a plotline for like Thor or something, but Falcon was a regular dude in the military and is allowed to basically own and maintain a specialist piece of their hardware there is no way he wouldn't have an income while in the Avengers.
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Koirhor posted:This is exactly what took me out of it for Sam’s story. It stretches credulity to the max. This would be a red flag for normal Top Secret security clearance people. The flying suit, half of the population of the planet turned to dust motes for half a decade, and the 100 year old assassin with a robot arm don't stretch credulity though? 
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Redwing has a surprisingly wide Arsenal for being small enough to fit on a dude’s back
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Institutional racism stretches credulity?
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Bust Rodd posted:Having an Avengers level operator vulnerable to basic financial extortion seems outrageously bad OpSec. What good is having these people around if they are so broke any oligarch could just turn Hawkeye into a mercenary? They could have done the whole save the family legacy story from a slightly different perspective - maybe have some mega corporation threaten to figuratively, or even literally bulldoze their family business to make way for some new development, or a massive commercial fishing company got permits to move in to their area, and will kill the business. Having an Avenger struggle to get a small business loan is not how you scale down the MCU for a television series.
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:Redwing has a surprisingly wide Arsenal for being small enough to fit on a dude’s back Nano machines, son!
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Sam has to teach Bucky how to break dance so they can win the local talent show and pay off the mortgage on the family house before the bank forecloses on it.
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More to the point, the types of thing that get checked for clearance tend to be personal debts. He makes it clear he owes nothing, but also that he wasn't getting a formal salary as an avenger. Before he left to become a wanted criminal (where he likely survived off the good will of people they saved) he lived in a high end avengers base with all amenities provided for him. He then notes that he is in fact now working for the government and has proof of income from his now (likely well paying) government contract. Also, pretty sure the whole point of the Tunisian family was to say 'falcon is recognizable the world over, because he is a big drat hero known to be an avenger.' And then you get that contrasted with the bank guy's racist 'I feel like I know you, do you play football?' Where he somehow cannot recognize a literally local 'from this area' black hero.
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Bleck posted:can't wait to have to explain basic stuff about white supremacy to MCU fans every time a new episode of this drops Marvel will solve racism
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KittyEmpress posted:More to the point, the types of thing that get checked for clearance tend to be personal debts. He makes it clear he owes nothing, but also that he wasn't getting a formal salary as an avenger. Before he left to become a wanted criminal (where he likely survived off the good will of people they saved) he lived in a high end avengers base with all amenities provided for him. One thing I will say is that Sam is probably getting paid "per job" and not necessarily on retainer getting a predictable salary. Does Sam have the money to make a couple of payments on the loan right now? Sure. But six months from now the bank is crossing its fingers hoping more US personnel get kidnapped by glider terrorists so Sam gets paid so they get paid. 3 DONG HORSE posted:Marvel will solve racism with lasers Fixed that for you because I am completely fine with racism (or at least racists) being solved/ended with lasers.
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The guy literally says he doesn’t qualify for the loan since he hasn’t worked in 5 years from being blipped. Doesn’t matter if he’s making money now. That and racism.
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MCU TV: Institutional racism stretches credulity?
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But shouldn’t Falcon be making so much off these contracts that a loan isn’t needed? He’s carrying out off the book assassinations for the government using a multi billion dollar experimental rocket suit that he owns. Wouldn’t he realistically be extremely wealthy where he can just hand the money to his sister?
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Dacap posted:But shouldn’t Falcon be making so much off these contracts that a loan isn’t needed? He’s carrying out off the book assassinations for the government using a multi billion dollar experimental rocket suit that he owns. Wouldn’t he realistically be extremely wealthy where he can just hand the money to his sister? They're paying him in exposure
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My guess is that the military lowballs the gently caress out of him in exchange for "We pardoned you for constant violations of the law and if you try to gently caress with us we'll strip you of your protections, steal all your tech, and work overtime to ruin your public reputation." They pay him enough that he'll never need to worry about renting an apartment but not enough to do things like expand a business or retire or y'know, do things the military doesn't generally want their black-books operatives doing. And because Sam isn't a billionaire and/or national "face" like Steve or Tony, these threats actually holds some weight.
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There's one thousand percent no way there wouldn't be blanket anti-discrimination laws against blipped people, if for no other reason then the fact that many blipped people were white. The loan scene is well intentioned I guess but feels hollow and stretched disbelief because we just saw this guy use insane tech to take down 6 mega-copters, each worth about 10x more than a lovely charter boat. The economies of scale here are giving people pause. These people are gods, and are recognized for doing godlike things. The bank scene, again well intentioned and played sincerely, didn't work for that reason.
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Yeah, that’s where I’m at. It’s not the fact that a loan was denied from a small town bank, its that he even went there in the first place rather than just being able to get his sister a government check for being their personal assassin and giving them back Captain America’s shield. The scale is off.
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Koirhor posted:This is exactly what took me out of it for Sam’s story. It stretches credulity to the max. This would be a red flag for normal Top Secret security clearance people. Its weird. Cause yah for me to, I imagine Cap, Rhodes and Falcon at the very least are getting money from the government to run the organization. Maybe not like, unlimited resources money but enough to keep them safe. But I imagine the "I have a government contract line" meant there is an avengers contract somewhere. However, I do believe the bank operate is racist enough and banks being dumb enough to say, oh this major event where EVERYONE disappeared, you don't have 5 years of history.
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The bank guy says that lots of people have gone to banks for loans after coming back, and it's been at least six months since people came back, so it's not impossible that whatever funds were available for helping blipped people out have dried up. It's not like there isn't recent, real world examples of giant corporations, churches, and rich people taking advantage of programs meant to help unemployed regular people.
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I get where the criticism is coming from, especially with that opening sequence where they're right-- Sam basically trashed about $1 billion+ in military helicopters and associated hardware, much of it US property-- so the scale seems off... ... but then I think we're honestly circling back into "real life is just as strange" territory. The US military does in-fact waste billions very, very regularly... just not in a flashy way where you can pin the actual loss of money down to one dude's actions. The US military does in-fact treat its veterans and soldiers really, really badly... but usually you don't notice because they're poor as hell to begin with and not global celebrities. Institutional racism does in-fact use transparently flimsy and even obviously illegal excuses to deny minorities things like loans, banking on the fact that there's no immediate recourse and circling around their bullshit will be more trouble than the individuals deem worth it, especially if they're already poor. Really what we should be asking is why Sam hasn't been approached to sell the gently caress out of his image rights in Japan or something selling Fanta Melon soda, or doing Cameo appearances at birthday parties (and not a flyby, he has to mingle). mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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sure okay posted:There's one thousand percent no way there wouldn't be blanket anti-discrimination laws against blipped people, if for no other reason then the fact that many blipped people were white. Sure there'll be anti-discrimination law, but if 4 billion people suddenly popped into existence with potentially no job and no home, strict lending criteria is going to go through the roof for everyone.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Its weird. Cause yah for me to, I imagine Cap, Rhodes and Falcon at the very least are getting money from the government to run the organization. what organization
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Oh another reason why the new Cap is so sad outside of racist dickbaggery, Cap choose Sam, Sam said lets honor Cap by letting him rest, government says gently caress you to both of them and here is a white dude instead.
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Bleck posted:what organization the Avengers. They are getting money from somewhere right?
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The Avengers are kinda done, is the point.
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As far as we're aware the Avengers straight-up don't exist anymore, and only existed during the Blip in a weird skeleton form from Tony's guilt checks, but those are interesting questions that deserve answers.
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But realistically he's incredibly wealthy without needing to get a small business loan anyway. Influencers today can make money with tens of thousands of followers, and Sam is established within the show as being globally recognised from the US to Tunisia, even if the bank representative took a moment to get it. He will be able to make money from lucrative media contracts like speaking engagements, or merch and licensing. The family business should be able to monetise its association with him regardless. All of the Earth Avengers who were present during Age of Ultron will be global superstars. It's just not plausible that he's struggling with such a small amount of money. Winter Soldier has been anonymous or on the run until a few months ago so he might plausibly have that storyline. If they wanted to showcase institutional racism, they can do that via the Captain America successor plot.
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Ravel posted:It's just not plausible that he's struggling with such a small amount of money. hmm I wonder why a show about a black man in America would show him struggling socially and financially hmm I wonder hmm
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