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pentyne posted:. This is the saddest part in my opinion. He's gaslighting, and his biggest fans are conspiring in the gaslighting. Anyone who points out the facts gets driven out of the community.
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PJOmega posted:This is the saddest part in my opinion. He's gaslighting, and his biggest fans are conspiring in the gaslighting. Anyone who points out the facts gets driven out of the community. the whole thing is starting to me remind me of Starcitizen 
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HIJK posted:the whole thing is starting to me remind me of Starcitizen I guess the benefit here is that his True Believers are turning an overrated milquetoast genre fiction writer into their messiah when otherwise there are an infinite number of other hucksters who are more dangerous in deed or doctrine. They'd find something to worship, and this at least is mostly harmless. And given the checklist of background that makes most people fall into male protag high fantasy (atheist, male, etc) obsessing over 2.5 books is better than going down the lobster hole. "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
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HIJK posted:the whole thing is starting to me remind me of Starcitizen Doors of Stone release pledge goal: $350000000
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PJOmega posted:I guess the benefit here is that his True Believers are turning an overrated milquetoast genre fiction writer into their messiah when otherwise there are an infinite number of other hucksters who are more dangerous in deed or doctrine. They'd find something to worship, and this at least is mostly harmless. Thank god, I read the right book.
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PJOmega posted:I guess the benefit here is that his True Believers are turning an overrated milquetoast genre fiction writer into their messiah when otherwise there are an infinite number of other hucksters who are more dangerous in deed or doctrine. They'd find something to worship, and this at least is mostly harmless. Ironically, Rothfuss has transformed to the same cultural category as Rick and Morty, i.e finding out someone is a fan of it is immediate cause for concern about their overall opinions in general. I've never met one in the wild, and luckily a decade ago when I recommended the book to a friend who hated it, I was surprised but that same person had turned me on to Book of the New Sun and had impeccable reading taste so I began really looking back at the book with a closer eye. Even when I was remembering the book and thinking that maybe all the weird poo poo was deliberate unreliable narrator stuff there were still massive parts of the book that were hugely problematic I just tried to ignore. I bought the hype for a minute, but Wise Man's Fear was loving awful, and even though I kept up thinking the series was gonna end with an absolute banger that fixed all the problems from book 1 and 2 I still couldn't understand the Felurian sex taming or the insane female sex ninja tribe that didn't believe in male's contributing to women getting pregnant.
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Ccs posted:And if he is actually as obsessive as he claims, I think it would be difficult to deal with reading the result of a decade of idleness and trying to edit that into something he's happy with. The elders of Sparta would stand at awe of the strength of this 'if'.
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Mar 20, 2021 20:56
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pentyne posted:I still couldn't understand the Felurian sex taming or the insane female sex ninja tribe that didn't believe in male's contributing to women getting pregnant. The Felurian stuff is just so insane because it's either "Rothfuss's virgin Gary Sue was so amazing at sex it wowed a literal sex goddess" or "Kvothe spoke Felurian's true name and bound her to him" which is honestly just so, so much worse. The sex matriacrchal sex ninja society that doesn't under how reproduction works is just one of the numerous works of Rothfuss the Real Feminist. Right alongside everything involving Denna, being a huge Joss Whedon stan, his Goldberry fanfic, or his creepy screed about a nerdy girl doing porn and ruining the ideal image he'd built up of them as a teenager.
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Mar 20, 2021 21:12
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How about the part where Kvothe gently caresses the child sex slave while thinking about how hot she is and how much she looks just like Denna and she struggles to resist but fails because she's drugged
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Mar 20, 2021 21:26
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Lottery of Babylon posted:How about the part where Kvothe gently caresses the child sex slave while thinking about how hot she is and how much she looks just like Denna and she struggles to resist but fails because she's drugged Real puzzling moment I thought the SA profanity filter was on because I wasn't entire sure what word was being used and could easily believe either. Evil Fluffy posted:The Felurian stuff is just so insane because it's either "Rothfuss's virgin Gary Sue was so amazing at sex it wowed a literal sex goddess" or "Kvothe spoke Felurian's true name and bound her to him" which is honestly just so, so much worse. quote:It will be a good movie. Maybe even a great movie. But it will also be, at best, a moderately okay adaptation of the subtle, sweet book that I grew up loving. There' is a 0% chance there wasn't a specific person in mind when he wrote that.
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Mar 20, 2021 22:10
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The description of a girl being "girl-shaped" kills me everytime I come across it.
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Mar 20, 2021 22:25
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pentyne posted:Real puzzling moment I thought the SA profanity filter was on because I wasn't entire sure what word was being used and could easily believe either. That post is almost certainly about the person he based Denna off of, too. If Rothfuss is one day outed as a serial killer it won't be surprising because he's loving bonkers beyond his inflated sense of self-importance.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:46
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 if you think Rothfuss has the diligence to be a serial killer. Maybe one every decade. He's get stuck on page five of his lovely manifesto.
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It really does sound like a version of hell to me. To have your whole identity wrapped up in a vision of yourself as a creative and magical person, and to know you can't back it up. Like, how must that feel? Do you go around like a hollow man, hating yourself as an impostor? Or is it all smothered under gaming tables and mead and cognitive dissonance? I might be projecting my own insecurities here though, ha.
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rollick posted:It really does sound like a version of hell to me. To have your whole identity wrapped up in a vision of yourself as a creative and magical person, and to know you can't back it up. Tbh I bet he's pretty miserable. Most people that perpetuate frauds like this are. You know that line from the usual suspects, about if you lock up 3 guys and one of them sleeps like a baby he's the murderer, he's relaxed because he knows he's caught?
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Mar 21, 2021 02:55
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rollick posted:It really does sound like a version of hell to me. To have your whole identity wrapped up in a vision of yourself as a creative and magical person, and to know you can't back it up. He's been selling the whole "books 2 and 3 are pretty much done" idea since he become a Big Name Author in 2007. The grift has either been constant since 2011 when the second book was released and the myth of the third book was trumpeted for years and years, until now the confession is basically that its too hard to work out book 3 because of all the changes that got made to the original draft. Like I believe after the final cut of Book 2 was finished it was a mountain of work in front of him to sort out all his plots and ideas, but instead he's just....made excuses. Everything from - I'm working the prose to perfection - I don't owe anyone a book 3 - the book is done and being edited (famous 2014 tweet image) - various ramblings about things being proofread - whatever he said during he's cheerios talk - that weird quote about his job being leaving people to wonder and not explain everything - finally now what is an admission he's got nothing after 10 years He's been prolific on social media and working other projects during all this time, so it's pretty clear he can work when he wants to, it's just that book 3 has never been his focus or priority. It seems like maybe the creative job offers are drying up or he can no longer book meetings or get called back about all the great projects for Kingkiller as a franchise.
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I would find his explanation more plausible if books one and two were intricate works that had been extensively edited and revised, but they appear to be just a bunch of loosely connected adventures that all center around Kvothe. Plus, making things coherent is what a story editor would do, so he could have handed off book three for revision long ago. My guess is that he's gotten old enough to be embarrassed with whatever passes for book three, and since he hasn't been writing, he hasn't gotten any better so he can't fix it.
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Mar 21, 2021 06:59
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How does the editing process actually work? If you disagree with your editor about your manuscript, what happens? I find it odd that Rothfuss went through the editing process and the resulting works are so mediocre but if he fought his editor about it then maybe it makes sense.
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Mar 21, 2021 11:37
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His editor seems to think his work is great. Even when she was opining on Facebook about never receiving any of book 3, she still noted that no one could ghostwrite the third book because no one can write like Rothfuss. Bravest of the Lamps would probably diagnose her with a broken brain from editing too much genre fiction over the years.
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Mar 21, 2021 15:22
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For the editor it is surely great in that it makes them rich.
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HIJK posted:How does the editing process actually work? If you disagree with your editor about your manuscript, what happens? I find it odd that Rothfuss went through the editing process and the resulting works are so mediocre but if he fought his editor about it then maybe it makes sense. This is actually one of the most fascinating questions in literature. Some of the great literary works in history have been the result of a genius sitting down, writing something, and handing it over to be published, already a perfect jewel. Much more common, though, is the classic situation of a grizzled older editor with a good grasp of what sells, and what plays well with literary critics, guiding a young, neophyte writer to sculpt a promising but unruly mass of confusing plot, awkward metaphors, and under-realized characters into something sharp and memorable. Which raises some interesting questions: - Just how bad *was* the first draft of this Kingkiller monstrosity? - How much heavy lifting did Rothfuss' editor, Betsy Wollheim, have to do to make The Name of the Wind coherent and entertaining? - How bad was the first draft of The Wise Man's Fear?? Fortunately, for that last question, there is a detailed answer in Rothfuss' blog. Edit: this blog post is also a must-read for an entirely gratuitous "Catgirl Threeway" cartoon, and a reference to his alleged role as "advisor" to a College Feminists group. Chicken Butt fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Chicken Butt posted:This is actually one of the most fascinating questions in literature. Some of the great literary works in history have been the result of a genius sitting down, writing something, and handing it over to be published, already a perfect jewel. Much more common, though, is the classic situation of a grizzled older editor with a good grasp of what sells, and what plays well with literary critics, guiding a young, neophyte writer to sculpt a promising but unruly mass of confusing plot, awkward metaphors, and under-realized characters into something sharp and memorable. ... Why doesn't he use paragraphs? Half of that blog post is just line breaks, it's ridiculous.
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Karia posted:... Why doesn't he use paragraphs? Half of that blog post is just line breaks, it's ridiculous. He's beyond paragraphs. He's beyond everything.
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quote:Being from the Midwest, I’m not a big fan of self-promotion myself. l m a o quote:Now before people get their knickers in a twist and go pointing out that I have at times been a big old self-promoting whore, let me clarify. This dickhead advertised going into a bookstore and signing someone else's book with his own name. I'm pretty sure I read that blog post ages ago but I'm glad to have a refresher on how he has not changed or learned a goddamn thing in nearly a decade.
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eXXon posted:l m a o "I'm signing other people's books because I'm just that awesome" aka I'm a colossal egotistical rear end in a top hat.
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eXXon posted:This dickhead advertised going into a bookstore and signing someone else's book with his own name. I was trying to dig up a source on this (and did find him tweeting about this habit), but apparently he and Sanderson were making a game of signing each other's books for a while.
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Yond Cassius posted:I was trying to dig up a source on this (and did find him tweeting about this habit), but apparently he and Sanderson were making a game of signing each other's books for a while. Yeah somehow this is worse.
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Yond Cassius posted:I was trying to dig up a source on this (and did find him tweeting about this habit), but apparently he and Sanderson were making a game of signing each other's books for a while. lol Sanderson actually mocks Rothfuss and I don't think he quite understood. Either way, it's not clear if that's something Sanderson signed for a fan or if he did the Rothfuss thing of walking into bookstores, taking copies of the shelves, marking them up with a pen, and then putting them back.
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Malpais Legate posted:Yeah somehow this is worse. Sanderson signing his book "1000% less sex with random goddesses than Wise Man's Fear" is a pretty good opening snipe, I must admit.
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Yond Cassius posted:I was trying to dig up a source on this (and did find him tweeting about this habit), but apparently he and Sanderson were making a game of signing each other's books for a while. quote:I have a signed Slow Regard of Silent Things....Signed by @erniecline! Also, both those articles only show Rothfuss being an rear end in a top hat. Is there anything showing Sanderson signing Rothfuss' books or is the third link misunderstanding that Sanderson signed his own book?
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PJOmega posted:Is there anything showing Sanderson signing Rothfuss' books or is the third link misunderstanding that Sanderson signed his own book? I've seen fan commentary that it is a running feud, and this tweet suggests that he's at least in on the joke and taking it in good humor. He does sign "dueling copies" semiregularly, but those are... different from bookstore sneak-signings. Brian Sanderson posted:@PatrickRothfuss Actual photos seem to be hard to find. Cassius Belli fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Ccs posted:So Rothfuss had a stream the other day where he was a little more honest about how things are going with the third book. Apparently it took like 8 or 9 years to write the original big draft that was then split into three books, but the draft changed so much for The Name of the Wind and even more for it's sequel that the third is just a mess of tangled threads that no longer refer to anything. And now so much time has passed since book 2 was written that it's even harder to figure out how to change what's left of the original book 3 to mesh with all the new material. Lol this is a big rear end lie because he showed the draft for the third book right after the second one came out and 99% of it was blank pages. Lottery of Babylon posted:How about the part where Kvothe gently caresses the child sex slave while thinking about how hot she is and how much she looks just like Denna and she struggles to resist but fails because she's drugged It turns out when you plop a pile of steaming poo poo short story that you wrote years previous and didn't actually rewrite it to fit the rest of the story, there tend to be issues. My favorite part is that part plays up Kvothe possibly raping her when we found out in book one that he's such a Good Guy that even when on drugs that takes away his inhibitions he's unable to rape. Rothfuss totally forgot about that plot-point when he forgot to rewrite this.
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Kchama posted:Rothfuss totally forgot about that plot-point when he forgot to rewrite this. You're being generous in assuming he forgot. I don't think a Whedonite who creeps on people at cons has the best morals about this stuff.
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Evil Fluffy posted:You're being generous in assuming he forgot. I don't think a Whedonite who creeps on people at cons has the best morals about this stuff. I mean the original plot-point was terrible to begin with. It doesn't make him look that much better that he forgot that he wrote that his 15 year old protagonist was a perfect paragon of non-rape even though a hot college woman super wanted it actually.
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Mar 21, 2021 23:25
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As best I can tell because I haven’t read them all, about 21 full novels and a dozen or so short stories
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I’m reading KJ Parker’s The Two of Swords and it stars a musician character with red hair who’s one of the most impressive people across two empires and also a sex pest. Wondering if this is a snipe at Kvothe or if Parker doesn’t even know who Rothfuss is. He seems like the type who may not.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:None worth reading. If a book is so bad it shouldn't be read, does it count as a book? Is Sanderson far more prolific a writer than Rothfuss, or not at all, since nothing he "writes" should be considered writing? A challenging conundrum for our modern world.
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