people who barely post take the time to tell you how much they hate you lol.
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Baykin posted:it seriously amazes me that you just keep on trucking even though seemingly the entirety of the forums hate your dumb rear end. i truly do not understand how you dont just quit and make the forums better by you no longer having buttons.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 12:49 |
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Baykin posted:it seriously amazes me that you just keep on trucking even though seemingly the entirety of the forums hate your dumb rear end. i truly do not understand how you dont just quit and make the forums better by you no longer having buttons.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 13:56 |
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:people who barely post take the time to tell you how much they hate you lol. when your a correct opinion haver, it is your duty to tell the mods to go gently caress themselves
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 13:58 |
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Ferrinus posted:i'm with namesake regarding the USSR's mode of production - just because a surplus is generated, appropriated, and reinvested doesn't mean capitalism is going on and that whoever or whatever is deciding where the surplus goes is equivalent to one big capitalist. Yossarian-22 posted:I think both the state socialist country and socialist coop have the same problem of living within capitalism, thus you still have the appropriation of surplus, wage labor, and commodity exchange. The problem with capitalism isn't "capitalists" but global capital itself. This means islands of socialism are doomed to adopt more and more of a capitalist mode of production unless they can threaten global capital itself and not just the interests of a particular country's bourgeoisie more from "Marxism and Politics": quote:The decisive fact about Communist countries is that they are collectivist regimes in which capitalist enterprise is for all practical purposes non-existent. What there is of it is kept to minimal levels and is positively prevented from growing. It is possible, in these countries, to accumulate a fair amount of money by saving on large salaries, and also to own some property, for instance a house and even a ‘second residence’. But it is not possible to make private wealth grow by way of capitalist enterprise.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 14:16 |
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Baykin posted:it seriously amazes me that you just keep on trucking even though seemingly the entirety of the forums hate your dumb rear end. i truly do not understand how you dont just quit and make the forums better by you no longer having buttons.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 14:17 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:lol that's a great second post itt gently caress you dude. whatever you get out of moderating this forum is gross
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 14:51 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:china has been using the largely made up threat of uyghur radicalization to justify repression for decades. saying that maybe it all started because of Bad Muslims coming back from syria is a terrible post, I don't care who the poster is related to broke: actions by a minority of religious zealots doesn't justify collective punishment of the whole woke: actually, religious extremism doesn't exist
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 15:47 |
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- long theoretical tracts on the precise character of the Chinese political economy - frenzied refrains of “mods gay” the LF thread dialectic
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:08 |
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GalacticAcid posted:- long theoretical tracts on the precise character of the Chinese political economy the dialectic has evolved to mods want to gently caress babies op. It's called materialism.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:12 |
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GalacticAcid posted:- frenzied refrains of “mods gay” nah
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:15 |
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GalacticAcid posted:- long theoretical tracts on the precise character of the Chinese political economy GalacticAcid posted:- frenzied refrains of “mods gay”
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:18 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:lol that's a great second post itt if you're going to cling to your buttons this hard learn to chill the gently caress out and take an insult or just go call fluffdaddy fat and save us the time
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:28 |
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Baykin posted:it seriously amazes me that you just keep on trucking even though seemingly the entirety of the forums hate your dumb rear end. i truly do not understand how you dont just quit and make the forums better by you no longer having buttons.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:33 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:china has been using the largely made up threat of uyghur radicalization to justify repression for decades. saying that maybe it all started because of Bad Muslims coming back from syria is a terrible post, I don't care who the poster is related to You are erasing the brave actions of Uyghur patriots fighting for the liberation of their co-religionists in Syria, since the conditions for armed struggle don't exist in their homeland at the moment.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:42 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:justify repression lol from genocide to this just take the L ya fuckin dork
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:54 |
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ban flavius for kunming attack-denialism
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:56 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:more from "Marxism and Politics" great bit btw
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 16:58 |
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from the perspective of leftist criticism of the USSR and Maoist China, the argument seems to be that the appropriation of surplus value from existing industries to fund investment in new industries and other crap in the state budget is non-marxist and exploitative, but im having a hard time understanding how new investment capital is supposed to be accrued without such capital being in some way sourced from the surplus value of actual workers. i mean, im sure theres anarchists arguing that any central organization not based on strict voluntarism is tyranny, but how exactly is central planning supposed to work if individual communes get to decide whether they contribute to the state budget, ie everyone gets to decide their own tax rate, without the state hierarchy having some sort of power to demand things from the communes. bakunin and kropotkin both had some excellent ideas about free association, self-determination and federalism as the foundation of a new kind of society, but they didnt really provide (afaik and understand) any practical tools to resolve conflicts between and within such societies. in cases where those involved refuse arbitration, or decide to freely dissociate themselves after receiving investment from a federal source of capital without returning the favour, what exactly is a federal authority, centrally planned or not, supposed to do? i just dont understand what the point of the argument, that the appropriation of surplus regardless of purpose is always exploitation, is supposed to be. except that central planning is bad and we must abolish the state, but thats that
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 17:25 |
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Kurnugia posted:from the perspective of leftist criticism of the USSR and Maoist China, the argument seems to be that the appropriation of surplus value from existing industries to fund investment in new industries and other crap in the state budget is non-marxist and exploitative, but im having a hard time understanding how new investment capital is supposed to be accrued without such capital being in some way sourced from the surplus value of actual workers.
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Kurnugia posted:but they didnt really provide (afaik and understand) any practical tools to resolve conflicts between and within such societies. in cases where those involved refuse arbitration, or decide to freely dissociate themselves after receiving investment from a federal source of capital without returning the favour, what exactly is a federal authority, centrally planned or not, supposed to do? that's the major pebble on the shoe of anarchist analysis, imho it comes back to Aristotle: the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The complexity that comes with a bunch of communes working together necessarily require a social infrastructure that transposes their individual organization. Should a commune, within the right of full voluntarism, simply decide to not provide their share for any reason, how does the rest reply? If they vote and organize to compel the non-abiding commune with the argument that the commune benefitted from the collective labor and capital provided until now, are they not effectively making a state action of repression?
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 17:44 |
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anarchism is fuckin stupid and for babies
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 17:49 |
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p much every anarchist solution requires/assumes people are operating on some higher tier of humanist enlightenment
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 17:58 |
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The only western anarchists that seem cool are those folks from greece who beat up the anarcho capitalist in that classic copy pasta.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:05 |
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ram dass in hell posted:the dialectic has evolved to mods want to gently caress babies op. It's called materialism. anarchism is for babies though... wait a second
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:16 |
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Kurnugia posted:from the perspective of leftist criticism of the USSR and Maoist China, the argument seems to be that the appropriation of surplus value from existing industries to fund investment in new industries and other crap in the state budget is non-marxist and exploitative, but im having a hard time understanding how new investment capital is supposed to be accrued without such capital being in some way sourced from the surplus value of actual workersquot I think it's possible to believe the economy had elements of exploitation and capitalism while at the same time acknowledging that these elements are regrettably necessary for now.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:20 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:china has been using the largely made up threat of uyghur radicalization to justify repression for decades. saying that maybe it all started because of Bad Muslims coming back from syria is a terrible post, I don't care who the poster is related to With all due respect, the last time you tried to argue this in this thread you were unable back it up and the people disagreeing with you got banned. You don't have to post here.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:36 |
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I’m Turkish and while I can’t tell you what The Uyghur Mind is up to, I guarantee this is what Turkey is trying to facilitate. Free my banned brother and/or sister and gently caress US (mod) interventionism
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:53 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:china has been using the largely made up threat of uyghur radicalization to justify repression for decades. lol
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:53 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:china has been using the largely made up threat of uyghur radicalization to justify repression for decades. saying that maybe it all started because of Bad Muslims coming back from syria is a terrible post, I don't care who the poster is related to this is kind of like opposing the war in iraq on the grounds that 9/11 never happened
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:55 |
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trutherism with chinese characteristics
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 18:57 |
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i swear i saw an article in the past couple of months that detailed how the CIA was funding/support separatism in xinjiang during bush
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:03 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i swear i saw an article in the past couple of months that detailed how the CIA was funding/support separatism in xinjiang during bush After gorbechev liberalized the media america and the west immediately took advantage of it by funding nationalist insurrection movements/propaganda throughout the USSR which collapsed it. Xi said they wont repeat that mistake
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:06 |
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Victory Position posted:anarchism is for babies though... SA moderation team has decided to reform itself as an autonomous collective, and provide us with entirely new vistas on babies and blowjobs
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:ban flavius for kunming attack-denialism
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:19 |
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moderating on this subject appears to be genuinely beyond the capacity of the current mods then again we're talking about a group of people who are okay with making public statements about what making an infant sick your dick would be like, so frankly society may be better off keeping them distracted with this dumb place
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:31 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:china has been using the largely made up threat of uyghur radicalization to justify repression for decades. saying that maybe it all started because of Bad Muslims coming back from syria is a terrible post, I don't care who the poster is related to shut the gently caress up pedo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:36 |
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Victory Position posted:anarchism is for babies though... anarkiddie diddlers
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:49 |
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the CCP has imo used the war on terror to escalate the repression of muslim minorities in xinjiang for decades. they have been jailing political dissidents and labor organizers all over the country during that time as well, especially over the last 5 years. I also believe they are an imperialist power, and recent events in myanmar and the ccp political approach to them are a good example of this imo. however, mods should not be inflicting punishments on people who fall on a different side of a contentious issue, especially in forums that are on paper about debating and discussing. so for example, i think this way and so i state my opinion and reasons for it in an attempt to convince others, rather than punish them for wrong think. its not just china either you also have posters in dnd punished for calling the border camps in the US concentration camps which is a position that sitting US congress people hold publicly but which posters cannot say in threads set aside for that exact discussion to be had. I agree with calling them concentration camps cause they imo are but I would also not want those who insist they are NOT concentration camps to be punished for making points to that effect even if I disagree with them. regardless of whether you agree with that classification or not, dont punish people who disagree with you politically. also unban larry and the others.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 19:58 |
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Trash Ops posted:shut the gently caress up pedo Flavius if you didn't post in this thread you wouldn't have to punish people who don't like you. You're making more work for yourself.
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