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BonHair posted:Her entire character is "a woman", which means it's the most obvious role to play in a script. This is bad for multiple reasons. Movie Troi is a lot better because she's more like how Marina Sirtis actually is in real life.
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I feel like latter-season Troi was already leaning toward “literally just Marina Sirtis”. She got more snarky as the years went on, I thought.
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nine-gear crow posted:Movie Troi is a lot better because she's more like how Marina Sirtis actually is in real life. Well, it's not like Movie Troi was written with any sort of characterization, so you really can't blame Sirtis for just showing up, delivering her lines and snacking (and, let's face it, probably getting hammered) at craft services.
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The scene of Deanna drunk and grumpy in First Contact is one of my favourite little Trek moments ever, it's just extremely funny to me. e: Riker is hilarious in this scene. Jonathan Frakes is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwwyusTd2E HopperUK fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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So I finally decided to restart my Enterprise watch, and got to “Judgement” in season 2. So, they uh, just made a lovely version of Undiscovered Country huh? What a waste. They could’ve easily made it a multi-part episode, and it probably would’ve been pretty good. But I’m sure papa Berman wouldn’t allow it. Also great to see Hertzler on screen though.
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"Judgement" is actually a combination of TUC with the DS9 episode "Rules of Engagement", and I remember it because it was the episode that got me to stop watching ENT. I was a teenager at the time and had gone through the later seasons of VOY with only a vague feeling that what I was watching wasn't very good...then I got to ENT and this episode, saw it was just a low-budget collage of a bunch of better, older movies and episodes, and realized I didn't want to watch it anymore. I ended up drifting away from Trek for a long time after that.
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Marshal Radisic posted:"Judgement" is actually a combination of TUC with the DS9 episode "Rules of Engagement", and I remember it because it was the episode that got me to stop watching ENT. I was a teenager at the time and had gone through the later seasons of VOY with only a vague feeling that what I was watching wasn't very good...then I got to ENT and this episode, saw it was just a low-budget collage of a bunch of better, older movies and episodes, and realized I didn't want to watch it anymore. I ended up drifting away from Trek for a long time after that. That’s pretty much exactly what happened with me. Enterprise just becomes a slog, with nothing ever really being original or that well executed, and you can feel that the people making the show either don’t care or are burnt out. It sucks too because the premise of Enterprise is strong and could’ve been really good. Awwww, damnit, and now a Mayweather episode. For fucks sake no wonder I stopped watching.
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Brannon Braga later admitted that he was burned out after finishing Voyager and shouldn't have accepted the Enterprise showrunner job
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What are those blue mugs from Deep Space 9, the ones with the flared bases? Were they made exclusively for the show?
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https://highwave.com/products/hotjo It’s an updated design and there’s no blue, but it’s the modern version of that mug. And it was used on Babylon 5!
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These? They're called "no spill" mugs and they must have been popular at one point because I've had two or three lying around for as long as I can remember. No idea where they came from, but ours have Christmas designs on them. Because of the narrow neck, they keep coffee hot for a lot longer than a standard mug. https://sprudge.com/no-spill-mug-feltman-langer-160969.html
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The only thing i want to know from Picard, is if Riker ever got over his thing... with chairs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIGhYMwRgs
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Axe-man posted:The only thing i want to know from Picard, is if Riker ever got over his thing... with chairs. He did that because Frakes irl hosed his back up from when he worked as a piano mover, so if Frakes ever turns up in the show you should be in luck!
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Lester Shy posted:These? They're used on ships I believe.
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Lester Shy posted:These? Neat, thank you guys!
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Kwatz posted:So I finally decided to restart my Enterprise watch, and got to “Judgement” in season 2. So, they uh, just made a lovely version of Undiscovered Country huh? What a waste. They could’ve easily made it a multi-part episode, and it probably would’ve been pretty good. But I’m sure papa Berman wouldn’t allow it. Also great to see Hertzler on screen though. The worst thing with Judgment is the end - Archer is sent to Rura Penthe, which is made out to be an impenetrable prison and yet Reed is able to slip in and get him out in 5 minutes just in time for the credits. At least in its favour the story is followed up on a few times before the end of the season.
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I want the mug that plays Quark's commercial.
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Timby posted:Well, it's not like Movie Troi was written with any sort of characterization, so you really can't blame Sirtis for just showing up, delivering her lines and snacking (and, let's face it, probably getting hammered) at craft services. I love the Text from TNG where the caption is about "how she's so hammered she feels like someone kicked her in her balls. Her lady balls cause she's a lady" because I can imagine drunk Troi slurring it.
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The one unanswered Star Trek thing I want to know is why Picard and Guinan were super-pals
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Sash! posted:The one unanswered Star Trek thing I want to know is why Picard and Guinan were super-pals Personally, I hope they never touch on that. I enjoy the mystery of it. Same with why Q is loving terrified of her for seemingly no logical reason. I'm worried with Guinan showing up in Picard Season 2 and John DeLancie hinting that Q might too means that they're gonna ruin one or both of those things by giving in to the need to explain it, but we'll see.
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nine-gear crow posted:Personally, I hope they never touch on that. I enjoy the mystery of it. Same with why Q is loving terrified of her for seemingly no logical reason. I'm worried with Guinan showing up in Picard Season 2 and John DeLancie hinting that Q might too means that they're gonna ruin one or both of those things by giving in to the need to explain it, but we'll see.  One of the best things about Time's Arrow aside from tng edit 23 is how they make it seem like you're going to find out the whole story of why the two of them are such good friends. Instead you get a cool moment that is clearly just the tip of the iceberg.
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Lester Shy posted:These? Pier One Imports used to sell them back in the mid 80s, I have one shaped exactly like a cuppa raktajino
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those mugs are what screams "this was made in the mid-90s" more than anything else about DS9. i definitely had 2 or 3 of those in college. Laterite fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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aparmenideanmonad posted:
Game recognizing Game is the theory I am sticking by.
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bull3964 posted:Dollhouse's second and last season would have already been in production when Sarah Connor Chronicles second season was airing so that doesn't really track. I would sacrifice T:SCC to save Fringe, but not Dollhouse. But to be fair, the twist of Dollhouse was B A N A N A S in the beat possible way.
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nine-gear crow posted:Personally, I hope they never touch on that. I enjoy the mystery of it. Same with why Q is loving terrified of her for seemingly no logical reason. I'm worried with Guinan showing up in Picard Season 2 and John DeLancie hinting that Q might too means that they're gonna ruin one or both of those things by giving in to the need to explain it, but we'll see. Let's not oversell it; he's a little worried/disgusted like a tarantula just walked over his shoe, but he's not terrified, loving or otherwise.
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Astroman posted:I would sacrifice T:SCC to save Fringe, but not Dollhouse. I retrospect, I'm glad we got the Fringe we got. At the time, I actually specifically said I would be pissed if Fringe got renewed and T:SCC was cancelled because Fringe was in the first season and I thought the wooden Olivia was a failing of the show rather than a character choice because she was broken. Once that became apparent in the 2nd season, I was all on board.
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So...this is gonna be the Borg episode huh? There’s no way this is going to suck. Nope. They’re gonna nail it.
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From what I remember, the Enterprise Borg episode is good. It's just ... unnecessary and adds some frustrating elements to continuity.
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The Enterprise borg episode always made it out of canon for me, cause it means it is an alt dimension where First Contact was real, since, Picard didn't go on that originally Enterprise was screwed up more than normal, and then you have the stupid future war which did even more.
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MillennialVulcan posted:From what I remember, the Enterprise Borg episode is good. It's just ... unnecessary and adds some frustrating elements to continuity. Still, could have been worse. Like when Doctor Who went "the Moon is a giant space dragon egg!"  despite numerous earlier stories (set later in the timeline) having taken place on the actual Moon, rather than the brand-new space dragon egg that replaced it after the original hatched.
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Payndz posted:Yeah, "unnecessary" mostly covers it. Along with "contrived", as - like the Ferengi episode - it had to jump through some ridiculous hoops to explain to the audience why Starfleet didn't know about them later. Whereas when Discovery came around, the writers just went gently caress YOU whenever what they wanted to do made no sense in relation to TOS or later. Had a pretty open day, so I went ahead and rewatched Regeneration. Yeah, it holds up well. Still completely unnecessary, but if they had a demand from the studio or producers to make a Borg episode, they did a great job with it. The crew knows nothing about the Borg, learns bits and pieces as they go along. There's a lot of tension with Archer trying to figure out if they can still save the Tarkelians or if they need to just blow up the ship, Phlox isn't sure if he can save himself from the nanoprobes and considers death as an option to prevent the spread until he takes some extreme measures to get rid of them. I liked it. Good Enterprise stuff. Edit: Feel like i'm being too qualitative, it was good Star Trek. primaltrash fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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So I just watched The Die is Cast on DS9. This uh. This got dark
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a neat cape posted:So I just watched The Die is Cast on DS9. h e l l y e a h
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MillennialVulcan posted:Edit: Feel like i'm being too qualitative, it was good Star Trek. I would like to see quantitative Trek analysis. DS9 is best because it has the most supporting characters, Discovery wins in having the longest arches. Also the largest turbolift dimension. I just watched DS9: Duet. Good episode. But it made me think of Kira swearing. She literally tells the story of parents being raped in front of their children and other atrocities, and that's somehow more acceptable than having her say "loving Cardassians". It just makes no sense to me that a bad word is of limits, but descriptions of war crimes and crimes against humanity is okay, because it's not on the list. What I'm saying is, Kira should swear a bunch. They could at least have given her some Bajoran swears, like in Firefly or BSG.
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Nah, I've just developed this annoying habit of referring to things like "Oh that was good FOR VOYAGER", but like even if a show overall is uneven, it can still just have legitimately good episodes without having to call out "oh but the show sucks" every time in fear that someone might think I like it. Overexaggerating here, but that's the gist.
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Yeah, those shows came two decades later and weren't sold into syndication where any number of things could knock them off the air or cause them to be scheduled in the middle of the night. For example, the show got a huge amount of backlash for "Rejoined" with tons of complaints and a southern affiliate editing the episode over a single same sex kiss that wasn't even framed as a lesbian relationship.
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MillennialVulcan posted:Had a pretty open day, so I went ahead and rewatched Regeneration. Yeah, it holds up well. Still completely unnecessary, but if they had a demand from the studio or producers to make a Borg episode, they did a great job with it. The crew knows nothing about the Borg, learns bits and pieces as they go along. There's a lot of tension with Archer trying to figure out if they can still save the Tarkelians or if they need to just blow up the ship, Phlox isn't sure if he can save himself from the nanoprobes and considers death as an option to prevent the spread until he takes some extreme measures to get rid of them. I liked it. Good Enterprise stuff. I was afraid of it being more akin to the Ferengi episode but it turned out to be pretty enjoyable. It’s definitely going on my list of good trek episodes to just put on when I need something to watch. And now I’m at the end of season 2 beginning of season 3. Watching Archer immediately turn into “a hard man making hard decisions” and “just doing what I have to do” is a pretty rough transition. 9/11 really did a number on the show. And what they’re trying to do isn’t a subtle metaphor or well done at all.
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a neat cape posted:So I just watched The Die is Cast on DS9. Wait until you see the next episode! It's "Explorers"
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