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Inzombiac posted:That's not what I'm going for, sorry. She obviously is, that isn't even a question at this point. If GG decides today or tomorrow that they're going to deny the accusations, there's gonna be hardcore fans that will immediately latch onto that.
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Think Arin knew? He had to. There's a huge amount of radio silence on their part and the longer they do it, the more damming it gets. Though I guess what would they even say? Don't trust young scared victims?
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Mar 22, 2021 16:47
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Keep in mind they're west coast and probably consulting with PR people before saying anything.
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Mar 22, 2021 16:57
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I think the only way Arin isn't hosed too is if he really didn't know the extent of what Dan was doing, puts out an apology to the victims, and severs (at the very least) his working relationship with Dan. I'm assuming there's going to be a split and Arin will just do content by himself. Or he'll double down and deny the accusations. Youtubers get away with this poo poo easily if they're popular enough and have staunch defenders/deniers so 
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Mar 22, 2021 17:15
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whats with all the defenses of dan? dudes a loving weird creep going for specific age ranged girls because he is a gross gently caress who wants to have a hosed up controlling power dynamic so he can be a lecherious old gently caress and then throw them away and probably gas light them.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:whats with all the defenses of dan? dudes a loving weird creep going for specific age ranged girls because he is a gross gently caress who wants to have a hosed up controlling power dynamic so he can be a lecherious old gently caress and then throw them away and probably gas light them. I hate it, too. And it's really gaining traction online, I really don't think anything will come out of it. People are totally excusing it as "adult people having sex", some are saying that this is just infantilization of young women, a complete gloss over the actual pattern of the accusations which is lying to young (some underage) women about being friends/in love with them, having sex and and then ghosting. Stuff like that is really cruel and can cause deep issues in the victims of such acts, especially if they're young.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:29
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If it’s not that reason it’s “X person did worse thing and they’re still around making videos”, which isn’t really a defense of anything.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:31
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Meallan posted:I hate it, too. And it's really gaining traction online, I really don't think anything will come out of it. People are totally excusing it as "adult people having sex", some are saying that this is just infantilization of young women, a complete gloss over the actual pattern of the accusations which is lying to young (some underage) women about being friends/in love with them, having sex and and then ghosting. if she were in her 20s then sure, its kinda gross but its less hosed up. but this dude is going right for the "second shes legal" type awful poo poo.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:57
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I agree that it's even worse when the victims are young, but I have to disagree that doing that in general (even to older people) is just skeevy. I personally see it as full on predation, and think its just possible to exist as a pattern if someone does not care about other people in general. Pretending you like someone just to use them and then discard them is something that cause extensive harm. I've seen people with years long problems in trusting new partners, and even friends, due to stuff like this. To me it's just cruel. No decent person would do this.
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https://yes-itsathrowaway.tumblr.com/post/188987939127/dan-avidan-accusations-masterpost#notes here is all the stuff compiled and pretty sure one of the other accusations against dan. Meallan posted:I agree that it's even worse when the victims are young, but I have to disagree that doing that in general (even to older people) is just skeevy. i meant if the one partner was like late 30s/40s and the other was mid 20s or something. not what dan is doing. dan is a predator.
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I am in awe at all of the people coming out to make sure everyone understands that this pattern of behavior definitely isn't grooming and you should ignore the inherent imbalance of power in a relationship between a YouTube gaming celebrity and an eager fan.Dapper_Swindler posted:whats with all the defenses of dan? dudes a loving weird creep going for specific age ranged girls because he is a gross gently caress who wants to have a hosed up controlling power dynamic so he can be a lecherious old gently caress and then throw them away and probably gas light them. Yeah, the defenders are all over the gamegrumps and rantgrumps subs. The argument is basically always "number was high enough when sex happened so nothing bad to see here". ErrEff fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Mar 22, 2021 18:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://yes-itsathrowaway.tumblr.com/post/188987939127/dan-avidan-accusations-masterpost#notes I don't give a poo poo what two consenting adults do, I want to know if he's actually grooming people. All I've seen is a cordial, platonic text message with a 17 year old then a 4 year time skip where he's sending her a hot tub video. Also this master post is poo poo. At no point was anybody saying they didn't consent, nobody said they were underage, every text message is enthusiastic between participants. The only evidence in this tumblr post is that Dan's a player and breaks hearts. It's rude, but not abuse. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 22, 2021 18:53
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:I don't give a poo poo what two consenting adults do, I want to know if he's actually grooming people. All I've seen is a cordial, platonic text message with a 17 year old then a 4 year time skip where he's sending her a hot tub video. lmfao
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Mar 22, 2021 18:55
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ErrEff posted:Yeah, the defenders are all over the gamegrumps and rantgrumps subs. The argument is basically always "number was high enough when sex happened so nothing bad to see here". This is basically what predators like Dan are counting on, people defending them because they slept with legal adults so it's "okay". Like Drake just openly "dating" an underage girl, sleeping with her only when she's legal and then dumping her right after. Same poo poo. It's why creeps groom, it gives them a plausible out when they finally get what they're after.
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I think that’s a problem people seem to not understand what grooming is, thinking it only applies if they are still underage but they kind of makes it pointless an act really
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Mar 22, 2021 19:00
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King Vidiot posted:This is basically what predators like Dan are counting on, people defending them because they slept with legal adults so it's "okay". Like Drake just openly "dating" an underage girl, sleeping with her only when she's legal and then dumping her right after. Same poo poo. Yup, it seems he had an explicit strategy of waiting until they were over the age of 20, so even though his contact with them goes back to when they were literal children he's getting cover for not immediately propositioning them on their eighteenth birthday. Only really works for insane weirdos who are desperate to excuse the behavior, but, you know, gamers.
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Mar 22, 2021 19:00
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Lotta fans of the grumps on this old dying forum I guess.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:I don't give a poo poo what two consenting adults do, I want to know if he's actually grooming people. All I've seen is a cordial, platonic text message with a 17 year old then a 4 year time skip where he's sending her a hot tub video. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Mar 22, 2021 19:12
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Look I know you all just told that other guy to gently caress off for denying abuse but have you considered listening to me deny abuse?
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Mar 22, 2021 19:14
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Meallan posted:I agree that it's even worse when the victims are young, but I have to disagree that doing that in general (even to older people) is just skeevy. Yeah tbh I'd still be perfectly happy shunning him if he was pulling this poo poo on 40 year olds instead.
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ErrEff posted:
i am seeing it everywhere even on resetera of all places. like if she was like 20 something then whatever but the dude did grooming and apperently did it a bunch and had a system. thats loving gross. Magic Rabbit Hat posted:I don't give a poo poo what two consenting adults do, I want to know if he's actually grooming people. All I've seen is a cordial, platonic text message with a 17 year old then a 4 year time skip where he's sending her a hot tub video. gently caress off with this poo poo. like i have a thick-skinned for weird youtube clowns and i like some problamatic people because i think they are funny or some poo poo, i like oneyplays and vizipop and they all have many issues. but they don't do this poo poo as far as i know. this this is legit "groom chick, gently caress her and than ghost her" poo poo and its gross and lovely. if this was a teacher or some such. it wouldnt fly.
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Is it really so hard to imagine whether you would be OK with it happening to you? And whether you would think someone who did it to you is a creep?
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King Vidiot posted:This is basically what predators like Dan are counting on, people defending them because they slept with legal adults so it's "okay". Like Drake just openly "dating" an underage girl, sleeping with her only when she's legal and then dumping her right after. Same poo poo. Dan in particular put on a persona of being kind and sweet and good-natured on the Grumps, so a lot of people assume he couldn't hurt anyone. It might be reflective of how he is in real life, but this particular form of emotional abuse can absolutely be done without breaking stride, just smiles and sweet nothings the whole time, never once considering that it might cause harm on the other end. The damning part is that he had contact with the victims when they were underage, not that he waited until they were of age to gently caress them and then drop all contact.
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This is from nearly 3 years ago. Holy yikes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT8cX2-_7pQ
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ErrEff posted:I am in awe at all of the people coming out to make sure everyone understands that this pattern of behavior definitely isn't grooming and you should ignore the inherent imbalance of power in a relationship between a YouTube gaming celebrity and an eager fan. Grooming underage people to sleep with them once they're legal is predatory behavior. Convincing people that you love them, that you have a relationship or are interested in a romantic relationship, so that you can sleep with them then cutting off contact is predatory behavior - regardless of age difference. Taking advantage of your celebrity so that you can do that to your fans is even more predatory behavior. Treating people like they don't matter, like their feelings don't matter, makes you a sexual predator (except in fetish behavior where everyone involved is aware of and has consented to such behavior). Legally being a sexual predator doesn't exonerate him from being a sexual predator. I would also be in awe of people not realizing this, but at this point I'm just so used to it I expect people to ignore predatory behaviors so long as "they're legal" and to blame victims in pretty much all situations.
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King Vidiot posted:I'm guessing there's no word from Arin or anybody Grumps-adjacent yet? Wondering if they're just going to go with sweep-this-under-the-rug tactic. It wouldn’t be the first time.
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King Vidiot posted:I'm guessing there's no word from Arin or anybody Grumps-adjacent yet? Wondering if they're just going to go with sweep-this-under-the-rug tactic. All Arin cares about is the bottom line. If they can survive this legally then that's the road he's going to take regardless if its the right one or not.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:All Arin cares about is the bottom line. If they can survive this legally then that's the road he's going to take regardless if its the right one or not. kind of lol for people making GBS threads on him for any ad stuff as selling out when he's more or less become a corporate entity who lives and dies by the quarterly numbers. if the past issue with their editor is comparable, they're gonna pretend like nothing happened for days/weeks, eventually post a massive screed on reddit with a defense against the allegations, and then never talk about it again.
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pentyne posted:kind of lol for people making GBS threads on him for any ad stuff as selling out when he's more or less become a corporate entity who lives and dies by the quarterly numbers. what did the editor do? because this feels somewhat harder to defend.
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RareAcumen posted:Dan Avidan pulling a Seinfeld here. Seinfeld rather famously didn't wait for the girl to turn 18 though. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RytMJ2-X-rw At this point I kind of have to assume Arin has some skeletons in his closet as he replaced his white supremacist co-host with a sex pest co-host.
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rodbeard posted:Seinfeld rather famously didn't wait for the girl to turn 18 though. idk. arin just seems socialy stupid when it comes to friends to put it nicely. but gently caress if i know.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what did the editor do? because this feels somewhat harder to defend. bunch of gross public tweets, like tweeting at underage jacob sartorious that he wanted dick pics
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TheAnomaly posted:Grooming underage people to sleep with them once they're legal is predatory behavior. Convincing people that you love them, that you have a relationship or are interested in a romantic relationship, so that you can sleep with them then cutting off contact is predatory behavior - regardless of age difference. Taking advantage of your celebrity so that you can do that to your fans is even more predatory behavior. Treating people like they don't matter, like their feelings don't matter, makes you a sexual predator (except in fetish behavior where everyone involved is aware of and has consented to such behavior). Legally being a sexual predator doesn't exonerate him from being a sexual predator. Yeah, that's the thing that really gets to me. Even in the most generous possible reading, assuming all kinds of lessening factors that almost certainly aren't true, the guy is a loving sexual predator who lies to women in an effort to coax sex from them. And yet some people are falling over each other to go to bat for this loving rear end in a top hat.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Yeah, that's the thing that really gets to me. Even in the most generous possible reading, assuming all kinds of lessening factors that almost certainly aren't true, the guy is a loving sexual predator who lies to women in an effort to coax sex from them. Yes, and they are mostly interested in debating the dictionary definition of the word "grooming". Feels like I've seen that somewhere before...
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Yeah. If you believe the subreddit mods, it doesn't look like Dan contacted her when she was 18 at all, but that doesn't mean he didn't use her status as a fan to manipulate her as he's been accused of doing with many others over the years. So he's still an abusive creeper and likely groomer but pedophile probably doesn't apply.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Yeah, that's the thing that really gets to me. Even in the most generous possible reading, assuming all kinds of lessening factors that almost certainly aren't true, the guy is a loving sexual predator who lies to women in an effort to coax sex from them.
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King Vidiot posted:I'm guessing there's no word from Arin or anybody Grumps-adjacent yet? Wondering if they're just going to go with sweep-this-under-the-rug tactic. Gonna pop in to say please cut Ross some slack for being quiet on this despite his excitement for their recent videos. CW for some heavy things but His mother recently got told she has a couple months left to live and he won't be able to see her most likely. He's been a mess in his own words and left the internet for a good while because he was having trouble dealing with it. He *just* started to come back to try to distract himself and open up a bit on one of his streams only for this all to happen the very next day. He's vanished again and I don't blame him at all.
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Endorph posted:well see, if its legal, that means its good I think it's more about what Dan could be "redeemed" from, that's why people are so interested in whether she was underaged when the first interaction happened. A sexpest is terrible but they're not a pedo, someone can bounce back from that, it's not a criminal charge. Again, it's still bad to make this about the accused and how he's gonna be affected by that, but I guess there's some value in understanding why people are so obsessed about that part of the story.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Gonna pop in to say please cut Ross some slack for being quiet on this despite his excitement for their recent videos. Oof. Ross just can't catch a break. 
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