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Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:one of my bosses bought this hook line and sinker and wrote me a nice note saying thank you lmao my wife does the opposite, she writes up a bunch of emails at night before she goes to bed and schedules them during the day so she can spend the day watching netflix my boss sent me an email last night at 10:06pm which was not particularlty important but also past the reasonable threshold of "this can wait till tomoorow" and now im questioning whether she was actually working that late or if it was some sort of subtle power play
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lol if you don't gently caress around all week and then spend friday and saturday doing all the work while crying
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Mar 23, 2021 13:54
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The Nastier Nate posted:“Time working” is just such a precovid relic for anyone working from home It's a relic from loving assembly lines really. Most jobs, especially desk jobs, don't benefit from counting minutes. I have been reprimanded for basically doing my job fast and leaving early instead of slacking off while working long hours. Plenty of managers measure productivity in man hours instead of results because it's easy to put into numbers. Being present at specific times matters if you need to respond to people live, like in a meeting or performing surgery or whatever. But who the gently caress cares when you write your code or write a memo, as long as it gets done?
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Mar 23, 2021 14:49
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measuring the output of white collar jobs is pretty hard and requires a lot of trust. good management with their eye on overall progress and awareness of individual contribution is ideal, but lovely management relies on butts in seats because that's all they can measure really
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Mar 23, 2021 14:55
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there's something to be said for having people in a physical space together to foster a sense of collegiality, i feel. home office has been really loving with my head by depriving me of colleagues
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Mar 23, 2021 14:57
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Absolutely. But that can easily be achieved by having people come in 10-14, with some leaving early and others staying late
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Mar 23, 2021 15:06
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The Nastier Nate posted:one other thing I've considered doing is writing basic emails during the day, something simple like asking my boss to sign off on an invoice, and scheduling them to go out at a random time like 8:36 PM so everyone thinks im working all hours into the night I do this all the time highly recommend
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Mar 23, 2021 15:29
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I'm working a high-dollar aerospace project with hard delivery dates and we are crunched on schedule time and I STILL never get emails or calls past 5 PM, its insane to me that some beancounters are pestering people at like 10 at night for some nonphysical, noncritical bullshit
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Mar 23, 2021 15:29
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PostNouveau posted:I do this all the time highly recommend Best only done if you are initiating a new piece of work or raising a new issue or something. If you time an email to reply into a chain or issue that's already being worked on you risk being out of date and looking like a complete dotard
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Mar 23, 2021 15:46
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https://mobile.twitter.com/return2travel/status/1373998426925457410
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Cold on a Cob posted:measuring the output of white collar jobs is pretty hard and requires a lot of trust. good management with their eye on overall progress and awareness of individual contribution is ideal, but lovely management relies on butts in seats because that's all they can measure really measuring output of putertoucher job is trivial and straightforward if you can read code but absolutely lol at managers bein able to read code
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Mar 23, 2021 16:43
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bob dobbs is dead posted:measuring output of putertoucher job is trivial and straightforward if you can read code but absolutely lol at managers bein able to read code what could you possibly measure by looking at code? that would be like measuring a restaurant by looking at its recipes better to know if the code produces anything useful rather than how it works/how much of it there is, and that's absolutely the job of non-coders because left to their own, they develop things like bitcoin
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Mar 23, 2021 16:52
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Plank Walker posted:what could you possibly measure by looking at code? that would be like measuring a restaurant by looking at its recipes Everyone knows more lines = better than
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Plank Walker posted:what could you possibly measure by looking at code? that would be like measuring a restaurant by looking at its recipes if you have peeps who actually wrote the code, they cant judge it if you have peeps who dont know anything about code, they get steamrollered by the devs and they get bamboozled easily because often they dont know in their bones that computers are a gently caress manager who didnt write the code but knows how to read the code basically doesnt exist lol
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Mar 23, 2021 17:14
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10 rem lol 20 rem lol 30 rem lol 40 rem lol
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Mar 23, 2021 17:16
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Measuring lines of code as a positive metric makes no sense, it's like measuring a widget based off part count or weight Our widget weighs 2000 lbs and has 10,000 parts, progress!
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Mar 23, 2021 17:16
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Justin Tyme posted:Measuring lines of code as a positive metric makes no sense, it's like measuring a widget based off part count or weight It's analogous to stupid people thinking ben shapiro is smart because he never shuts the gently caress up
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Mar 23, 2021 17:27
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The Bloop posted:10 rem lol code:
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Mar 23, 2021 17:30
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I remember my old kinda boss doing reverse engineering on some code, where he discovered it did a huge complicated thing which made a ton of sense, except in the end it just dumped it and did something else instead. Surely that piece of code that effectively did nothing was valuable, because it sure contained a lot of lines.
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Mar 23, 2021 17:31
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one of my tasks this sprint is to evaluate and remove a lot of code, does this mean i have to give money back to my employer?
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Mar 23, 2021 17:31
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BonHair posted:I remember my old kinda boss doing reverse engineering on some code, where he discovered it did a huge complicated thing which made a ton of sense, except in the end it just dumped it and did something else instead. Surely that piece of code that effectively did nothing was valuable, because it sure contained a lot of lines. That's just legacy code. It's what happens when someone who doesn't know what the gently caress is happening in the code and can't understand/take the time to understand it is ordered to fix it
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Mar 23, 2021 17:34
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"shouldnt we hire somebody who knows spanish to edit this spanish book we're writing" "nah lets publish when we get to a word count"
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Mar 23, 2021 17:38
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bob dobbs is dead posted:"shouldnt we hire somebody who knows spanish to edit this spanish book we're writing" We did this poo poo on purpose at one place I worked lol In order to avoid "silos" (which I think is a dumb six sigma thing?) we would CHANGE PLACES! and move the people who wrote a program to work on a different one and vice versa. Then make those guys maintain each others' code base so that the knowledge wouldn't become concentrated. The actual result of course is just that both programs suck now and take forever to fix
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Mar 23, 2021 17:55
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Yeah, the idea is that if all of the knowledge of some program or component lives in one person's head, the company is poo poo out of luck if that person leaves. Therefore it's best if knowledge is distributed among several people, Except putting a new person on the project to learn the system typically decreases the overall output while the new person ramps up and the team is spending effort on helping them ramp up rather than writing more code. Good management recognizes that this is the case, bad management throws a fit if productivity (as they define it) ever goes down, so you have people who know nothing about the system shipping bad code and their teammates are rubber stamping it because they don't have time to train that person or review it properly. Or sometimes there is no overlap at all and you have a whole team of people trying to figure out what's going on because the old team all quit.
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Splicer posted:
I stopped learning after qbasic but I appreciate the update
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PostNouveau posted:I do this all the time highly recommend lmao my employer had IT put a little time stamp thingy on outlook a while back that displayed when the email was actually sent if it was set to go off later that was a few years ago though so maybe it's stopped being the case I should test it out
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HashtagGirlboss posted:lmao my employer had IT put a little time stamp thingy on outlook a while back that displayed when the email was actually sent if it was set to go off later save an email as a draft, then log back onto work email in the evening and send it
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HashtagGirlboss posted:lmao my employer had IT put a little time stamp thingy on outlook a while back that displayed when the email was actually sent if it was set to go off later Oh, we have a Gmail domain, and they added in the last year or so a "send later" option for emails.
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More :clap: female :clap: human :clap: traffickers :clap:
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Oh yeah sure, I know how these stories go. I bet 5 paragraphs in they casually mention that she was only trafficked thanks to a $20,000 loan from her rich dad 
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Shame Boy posted:Oh yeah sure, I know how these stories go. I bet 5 paragraphs in they casually mention that she was only trafficked thanks to a $20,000 loan from her rich dad 
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Ensign Expendable posted:Or sometimes there is no overlap at all and you have a whole team of people trying to figure out what's going on because the old team all quit. Due to stupid company politics and being a ridiculous pushover with no self worth whatsoever and OCD as hell to boot, this guy never advanced in rank and never got any subordinates to help him, yet he somehow became equivalent to a country-level manager for multiple customers in actual job function. Their customers know him and ask for him by name. They're huge military contractors who have long-winded clearance processes, very strict SLAs to meet etc. Hundreds of millions of company revenue completely depends on this one guy. He's the only one who knows how anything works and can fix problems quickly. He gets paid like 50k and he has to travel constantly and face incredibly hosed up situations at very short notice. He looks like he's dying at all times and friends have told him he is a moron repeatedly for putting up with it. At least one person in his role has commited suicide in the last few years. In a show of incredible sensitivity they named a lunchroom in his honour. I never thought he would grow a backbone but he finally reached some kind of a limit last month and decided to leave. He called his manager and gave his two weeks notice. The manager said "ok" and took the rest of the day off in response. Soon successively higher level managers started calling our hero at home to beg him to stay as they realised the sheer level of disaster that was about to unfold and the insane explanations they were going to have to give. They were offering him all sorts of poo poo, quadruple pay, triple vacation etc. Imagine the leverage this motherfucker has in this situation lmao. Their company will straight up cease to function in multiple countries if he leaves and won't resume for the majority of a year, and they'll have to pay in blood from SLA violations the whole time because nobody will have the clearance or ability to do the work. It's literally impossible to hire a replacement who knows anything, nobody does, it's layers of obscure legacy enterprise custom garbage software all the way down. And you better believe they have nobody to spare from anywhere else. Well he still decided to leave. As a compromise he agreed to do contract work for them for 1500 per day whenever he felt like it. Still a pushover, IMO he should have started at 50000 per day, demanded a 10% stake in the company and increased his offer 10% with each refusal. loving lol at the whole situation
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Forseti posted:We did this poo poo on purpose at one place I worked lol i dont know what six sigma is and I refuse to learn
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The Nastier Nate posted:I refuse to learn Nice try but you can't get promoted to executive management itt
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The Nastier Nate posted:i dont know what six sigma is and I refuse to learn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNxWMbbLSlA
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The Nastier Nate posted:one other thing I've considered doing is writing basic emails during the day, something simple like asking my boss to sign off on an invoice, and scheduling them to go out at a random time like 8:36 PM so everyone thinks im working all hours into the night This is the 21st century George Costanza move  quote:You see, Steinbrenner is like the first guy in, at the crack of dawn. He sees my car, he figures I'm the first guy in. Then, the last person to leave is Wilhelm. He sees my car, he figures I'm burning the midnight oil. Between the two of them, they think I'm working an 18 hour day!
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The Nastier Nate posted:i dont know what six sigma is and I refuse to learn It's a management system designed for assembly lines that MBAs keep trying to apply to every single aspect of life and failing. The 'silos' thing comes from the idea that the guy installing seats into a Toyota should also take a turn at screwing on the bumpers which translates over to complex intellectual tasks about as well as you can imagine.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I finally got a position where I don't need to track time (I'm loving salaried) but before that I just had a candid conversation with my boss that my limiting factor on output isn't time, its my ability to give a poo poo, and he let me just scale everything by that metric and multiply the percentages by 40 every week. at my job we have to log time down to the 10th of a minute. e: lmao I meant hour. tenth of an hour. not minute. god dammit. DR FRASIER KRANG has issued a correction as of 23:47 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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