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LifeSunDeath posted:It bothers me that we haven't all moved on to either a faster keyboard layout than querty, or we haven't gotten a universal single handed typing device. I always thought the Data-hand would be that breakthrough that changed keyboards but it was not meant to be. 
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boar guy posted:you have to learn a whole other way to touch type with chords so nope How would a one-handed, wearable keyboard NOT require this
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Imagined posted:How would a one-handed, wearable keyboard NOT require this i thought maybe it had sensors that could detect how my finger muscles were moving and translate it to qwerty, frankly
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Mar 22, 2021 19:43
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boar guy posted:i thought maybe it had sensors that could detect how my finger muscles were moving and translate it to qwerty, frankly *sensor detects jerkoff motion* would you like to switch to dvorak
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Mar 22, 2021 19:50
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Sweevo posted:Nobody has ever used a DVORAK keyboard for anything except writing 10,000 word blog posts about how they use a DVORAK keyboard. It was also good for pranking tech illiterate adults as a kid.
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Konstantin posted:It was also good for pranking tech illiterate adults as a kid. my friend told me a story where like he did weed for the first time by eating a bunch of edibles at a math conference in california, and the next morning he went to check in and get his name tag and the girl at the desk told him to type his name in the computer but while receiving the keyboard from her he accidentally hit whatever button combo changes the keyboard setting so somehow it got set on dvorak and he was trying to type his name but it kept coming out different letters, and he's sitting there just thinking he must still be high as balls so he's just like "Ummmmmm", but afraid to say out loud "I can't type my name" or something like that I think at some point he figured out he wasn't hallucinating and managed to ask for help since he wasn't worried about playing off being high anymore
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I honestly think we’re at or near the end point for traditional interfaces. They keep trying to make touch screens or motion controls fully replace them but it’s not working. The real next step that could actually replace what we have is sticking a wire in your head so you can just control stuff by thinking about it. Maybe something less intrusive that tracks your eye movement or something.
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A keyboard is de facto faster than thoughts.
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The only actual context in which you need to type at the speed of thought is stenography and the solutions to that have been already invented a century ago. Perhaps the ergonomics of typing could be improved still but a completely new input system would have to present a real material benefit when compared to the simple keyboard and none of those  hand cradles offer that.Speaking of obsolete technologies, my SO does research on history for a living so she had to learn to read various already dead forms of shorthand for her archive work. Most all of them make it possible to easily surpass spoken work in speed, basically allowing you to write at the speed of thought. The problem for the historian is that when you become proficient enough at a shorthand, you quite naturally develop your own hand which is basically impossible to decipher without months or years of learning to think like the person you are researching. Apparently it's really rewarding work but also incredibly demanding. I am in awe of her looking at some badly photocopied squiggles on a paper and being able to find the exact meaning after carefully deciphering every little stroke and dip of the pen. Very good for keeping your personal thoughts hidden from prying eyes. edit: I guess keeping your thoughts hidden from the rest of the world instead of just posting them on the internet for all to see and gawk at is an obsolete tech in itself 
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I watched my former boss cover a county commissioner's meeting one time. At the end of it, she had written it down nearly verbatim in shorthand, including timestamps for the tape recording. Mine were longhand notes and a cramped hand, but I did use the timestamp idea for verbatim quotes.
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It would be nice to have a single handed keyboard just so you don't have to take your other hand of the mouse to type something. Having to relocate your hand twice every time you need to type something just adds extra steps to a lot of computer use.
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galagazombie posted:I honestly think we’re at or near the end point for traditional interfaces. They keep trying to make touch screens or motion controls fully replace them but it’s not working. The real next step that could actually replace what we have is sticking a wire in your head so you can just control stuff by thinking about it. Maybe something less intrusive that tracks your eye movement or something. Mods, ban for account sharing with Elon Musk.
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Rectus posted:It would be nice to have a single handed keyboard just so you don't have to take your other hand of the mouse to type something. Having to relocate your hand twice every time you need to type something just adds extra steps to a lot of computer use. I bought the Twiddler 3 chording keyboard when it came out. It's held to your hand with a strap so you don't even need a desk, and there's a tiny joystick thing on the top that you can use to move the cursor. The problem is that you have to learn basically all the chords to be able to type worth a drat, AND the default chords are extremely bad so you need to load an alternate chordmap from some rando's github. I've never been able to justify the hit to my typing speed long enough to properly learn it. It does seem like it would be really useful to hit hotkeys in something like Photoshop while holding the mouse in the other hand. I know the earliest systems with mice--Engelbart's NLS, PARC's Alto--all came with a little chording keyset to complement the mouse; it looked like 5 piano keys and I think you basically just entered the binary representation of the desired character.
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it doesnt seem like that hard of a problem to solve, if a fitbit can get a reasonable approximation of when i've taken a step based on the switch inside of it and its algo, i should be able to put on a cheap pair of gloves that can discern the different muscles needed to hit certain keys and then run it through an algo for a little fine tuning. ive been touch typing since 6th grade and i can do it basically as fast as i can think, there's no way i'll retain that fluidity using chords
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boar guy posted:it doesnt seem like that hard of a problem to solve It is.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:A keyboard is de facto faster than thoughts.
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Zopotantor posted:These are still being made AFAIK, but what I really want is the programmer’s version. SwissMicros makes a modern clone but it's not much cheaper than buying a used original.
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I have dim memories of this triumph of British innovation being pushed as the next big thing in rapid input.
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Two Owls posted:I have dim memories of this triumph of British innovation being pushed as the next big thing in rapid input. oof, $500 in the early 80's
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Throw your old synths away and build yourself a Space Bass like Constance Demby ( ). Earth-shaking otherworldly sounds in the comfort of your living room...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ire8pSPvX1o quote:The Sonic Steel Instruments, original designs by Constance Demby, have been recorded by Lucas SkyWalker Studios for use in their filmscores, and filmed by Discovery Channel in Gaudi's "Parc Guell" in Barcelona for their specials.
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boar guy posted:it doesnt seem like that hard of a problem to solve, if a fitbit can get a reasonable approximation of when i've taken a step based on the switch inside of it and its algo, i should be able to put on a cheap pair of gloves that can discern the different muscles needed to hit certain keys and then run it through an algo for a little fine tuning. ive been touch typing since 6th grade and i can do it basically as fast as i can think, there's no way i'll retain that fluidity using chords A device on your wrist sensing the movement of your tendons would be less intrusive and fit more sizes.
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Lurking Haro posted:A device on your wrist sensing the movement of your tendons would be less intrusive and fit more sizes. Like with many other technological inventions, the porn industry will decide adaption. This sounds promising tbh
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Lurking Haro posted:A device on your wrist sensing the movement of your tendons would be less intrusive and fit more sizes. there you go! veecee people, you seeing this? it doesn't even need to be precise, look at Swype for example
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boar guy posted:there you go! veecee people, you seeing this? it doesn't even need to be precise, look at Swype for example I keep expecting to see people with a standard desktop kind of PC but a touchpad for swype instead of/in addition to the keyboard. I know a fair few people who can write with swype faster than they can type on a standard keyboard and if their office job had that kind of interface for emails and corporate chat, they'd be super happy
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Danger - Octopus! posted:I keep expecting to see people with a standard desktop kind of PC but a touchpad for swype instead of/in addition to the keyboard. I know a fair few people who can write with swype faster than they can type on a standard keyboard and if their office job had that kind of interface for emails and corporate chat, they'd be super happy How many of them are just old boomers who never learned to type though?
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Dick Trauma posted:Throw your old synths away and build yourself a Space Bass like Constance Demby ( Oh that's cool, in a sort of spacy hippy way.
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Cojawfee posted:Holy poo poo they are 200 dollars.
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Dick Trauma posted:Throw your old synths away and build yourself a Space Bass like Constance Demby ( This loving rules, was fully expecting something like ”this is my original Buchla system and here’s some of the dumbest poo poo ever recorded, enjoy” bleep bloop.
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Dick Trauma posted:Throw your old synths away and build yourself a Space Bass like Constance Demby ( I guess they'll be releasing a new cut of Blade Runner and replacing Vangelis with Constance Demby.
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World's worst upstairs neighbor. And I've lived adjacent to a college stoner with bongos.
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Lincoln posted:World's worst upstairs neighbor. And I've lived adjacent to a college stoner with bongos. In my time I have learnt to not hate the noisey neighbour... but to join in. I've now trained an old drunk to now think 10PM is a good time to sleep and no longer cranks some stupid justin timberlake song at full volume at 2am.
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Sweevo posted:Bil Herd (the C128 designer) has some Youtube videos where he talks about his time at Commodore in the mid-80s and it sounds like a hellhole - a boardroom full of sleazy conmen, cokehead middle managers who responded to every minor problem by screaming "FIX IT OR YOU'RE FIRED!" and throwing tantrums, and people working on obvious dead-end projects to build high-end versions of games machines to sell to the business market that had already settled on the IBM PC. *Sun* approached Commodore and asked if they could build Amiga 3000s under license, stick SunOS on them, and sell them as workstations. That would have been a big deal, and Commodore's response was to quote a "gently caress you go away" price for them. Anything after Tramiel left was a bunch of idiots.
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Phanatic posted:*Sun* approached Commodore and asked if they could build Amiga 3000s under license, stick SunOS on them, and sell them as workstations. That would have been a big deal, and Commodore's response was to quote a "gently caress you go away" price for them. Anything after Tramiel left was a bunch of idiots. Man that would have been an incredible deal for both parties. What the gently caress.
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Brian Bagnall's trilogy on Commodore is an excellent read if you want some insight into what an insanely dysfunctional company Commodore was. Commodore: A company on the edge Commodore: The Amiga years Commodore: The final years
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Holy poo poo I want that for my work computer. 
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Dick Trauma posted:Holy poo poo I want that for my work computer. You could store honey in the ears and dip your biscuits in them with tea.
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What exactly is obsolete or failed in that pic? The corded mouse?
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Trabant posted:What exactly is obsolete or failed in that pic? I'm pretty sure that's a tube monitor instead of a flatscreen, so unless you enjoy lugging those around that's pretty obsolete. Of course my favorite part is that the monitor as a whole is Shrek's face, but it contains within itself another Shrek face right under the screen. Shrekception.
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galagazombie posted:I'm pretty sure that's a tube monitor instead of a flatscreen, so unless you enjoy lugging those around that's pretty obsolete. Oh so in addition to printers you also carry around VDUs? Yeah most people don't do that.
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