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oliwan posted:Give me your top 10 contemporary bands/ musical acts, and your top ten films of the last 3 years op this post sucks and you suck
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Mar 23, 2021 17:20
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V. Illych L. posted:also 'the best (measured how lol) contemporary pop bands are american or basically americanised' is an enormously inadequate response to 'it is bad that the west is becoming increasingly culturally homogenous in a way that seems to be converging USian expression' this tbh. If cultural liberalism means uncritically accepting and emulating highly Americanised forms of cultural expression (forms which are highly influenced by and at the mercy of capital), I genuinely don't want to be a cultural liberal Venomous has issued a correction as of 17:25 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 23, 2021 17:21
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The two best anti-capitalist films from the last couple of years are Parasite and Sorry to Bother You, i.e. cultural artifacts stemming from two of the most capitalist societies in the world. This is mindboggling to some goons.
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Mar 23, 2021 17:26
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oliwan posted:Give me your top 10 contemporary bands/ musical acts, and your top ten films of the last 3 years op so you're just not reading people's posts, right that's a time-honoured posting strategy, though usually employed to somewhat less outrée ends
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Mar 23, 2021 17:30
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V. Illych L. posted:so you're just not reading people's posts, right can you still give me your top 10 op?
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Mar 23, 2021 17:41
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Griefor posted:Where is this? Everyone on SA says this but I've never noticed this from people around me here in the Netherlands. And that's not to pretend nobody's racist here, it's just that besides the "Zwarte Piet is fine, actually" stuff 99% of the racism I see is targeted at islamic people, especially Moroccans. The phenomenon has lessened a bit after each European nation independently revived fascism, but it's definitely a thing. I personally live in one that reviles Roma even more than Muslims and we're renowned for really, really hating Muslims, like, a lot. 
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Mar 23, 2021 18:04
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oliwan posted:The US is literally better at any cultural discipline than Europe though, whether that is film, TV, music, literature, you name it. Of course it's a numbers game, but it's still true. lmao yeah if by better you mean makes more money there's amazing music and film and literature in all countries but they don't always have a marketing juggernaut behind them
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Mar 23, 2021 18:06
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Griefor posted:Where is this? Everyone on SA says this but I've never noticed this from people around me here in the Netherlands. And that's not to pretend nobody's racist here, it's just that besides the "Zwarte Piet is fine, actually" stuff 99% of the racism I see is targeted at islamic people, especially Moroccans. I'm Dutch too and here it's relatively invisible because the Roma are so invisible, and also a very tiny minority (wonder how that happened lol). If you go to many other places in Europe, such as the UK/Ireland and especially Eastern Europe (Hungary/Romania) it is a bigger deal. Especially in the latter two places it is one that everyone has an opinion about and you can't go a day without hearing some casual comments that contain the implicit assumption that Roma are subhuman trash, even from highly educated people working at universities. I had a friend who grew up in eastern Hungary and for her as a teenage punk it was a huge act of rebellion to walk around in and make friends in the Roma part of town, such that she still talked about 10 years later.
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Mar 23, 2021 19:48
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All those shops with porcelain frogs at their doors. Because the roma are a superstitious people dontcha know, and frogs are a bad omen for them so they won't enter. But there's no racism here, see.
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Mar 23, 2021 20:39
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"see we can't sell to them, they either haggle a lot or they just straight up don't pay and the police won't do anything even if we press charges" they say, while the multinational corporation that I work for refuses to pay a hazzard compensation required by law for over a year now and I'm going "uhmmm yes"
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Mar 23, 2021 20:42
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If anything I would say American culture has been in a complete drought for more than a decade at this point. Honestly, even before the pandemic, nothing new was coming out except super hero films and the same tired pop subgenres. I would have said maybe before the 2000s there was an argument to be made for trend setting but American culture is completely a drift. Also, the US really only has pop culture to offer at this point (forget about fine art, literature, or poetry). I would say the sad thing is because of our geopolitical domination that what call "culture" was imposed on the world and now the rest of the world (especially continental Europe) is now showing withdrawal symptoms as the supply finally ran out.
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Mar 23, 2021 20:49
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oliwan posted:Give me your top 10 contemporary bands/ musical acts, and your top ten films of the last 3 years op Carthag Tuek posted:there's amazing music and film and literature in all countries but they don't always have a marketing juggernaut behind them a giant thing about it is also how a lot of people know/like english now because it's on tv/radio constantly i live in a tiny eu country, and daily radio/tv broadcast is probably 60-80% of the music/film content is some form of english, american or otherwise otoh, the local artists that do get on tv/radio are miles better than the pop trash that arrives from overseas 
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Mar 23, 2021 20:56
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Ardennes posted:If anything I would say American culture has been in a complete drought for more than a decade at this point. Honestly, even before the pandemic, nothing new was coming out except super hero films and the same tired pop subgenres. I would have said maybe before the 2000s there was an argument to be made for trend setting but American culture is completely a drift. Also, the US really only has pop culture to offer at this point (forget about fine art, literature, or poetry). This is totally wrong op, and I'm sorry you are so out of touch with current American cultural output. American film, and especially TV, is unbelievably high quality at the moment... if you think it's all superhero movies then you are missing out massively. Specifically black film/tv is unbelievably good at the moment. Like, look at people like Donald Glover, Jordan Peele, Ava DuVernay, Boots Riley, Barry Jenkins etc. I have to be honest and say that I don't know much about the fine art situation, but I do know a lot about modern fiction, and saying that America is not producing good literature at the moment (whether that is prose, film, tv or poetry) is clueless oliwan has issued a correction as of 21:19 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 23, 2021 21:05
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:All those shops with porcelain frogs at their doors. when i learned the frogs on display werent some tourist trap was a shock second only to when i found out jew was a verb in portuguese
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Mar 23, 2021 21:13
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Osmosisch posted:It's the uncritical absorption of US bullshit when contrasted with ultraconservatism about national traditions when they're actively harmful that is maddening The Hiberno-American agenda is unquenchable in its bloodlust.
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Mar 23, 2021 21:23
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Ardennes posted:Also, the US really only has pop culture to offer at this point (forget about fine art, literature, or poetry). only by white people, because Black Americans in particular are actually killing it for example, Yaa Gyasi released two kickass novels in the past five years similarly, N.K. Jemisin is pretty much the best science fiction writer of the past decade there is tons of good art coming out of the US, but it sure as poo poo isn't by white people
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Mar 23, 2021 21:25
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Venomous posted:only by white people, because Black Americans in particular are actually killing it finally a loving post by someone who knows what is up
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Mar 23, 2021 21:39
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American hip hop is probably the most interesting music genre right now, and has been for the past decade or so. The new Playboi Carti album is at Radiohead levels of genius IMO. So yeah, I kind of agree about black American artists. But NK Jemisin is terrible, sorry about your literary taste OP.
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Mar 23, 2021 21:41
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oliwan posted:This is totally wrong op, and I'm sorry you are so out of touch with current American cultural output. American film, and especially TV, is unbelievably high quality at the moment... if you think it's all superhero movies then you are missing out massively. Specifically black film/tv is unbelievably good at the moment. Like, look at people like Donald Glover, Jordan Peele, Ava DuVernay, Boots Riley, Barry Jenkins etc. I think you are being too kind to the US here. There is a big difference in treatment between cultural output produced by African-Americans and the rest of white American society. If anything this goes back more than 100 years when Black Jazz musicians would frequently go to Europe because they were generally ignored at home outside the black community. I wouldn't say it is that extreme anymore, but it still isn't great. It isn't a mark in the favor of the US. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:50 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 23, 2021 21:47
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Venomous posted:only by white people, because Black Americans in particular are actually killing it lol wtf is this what's true is most poo poo that goes overseas is mainstream pop culture, filed down to the bones to sell better, and that's mostly white it's 2021 tho, you don't need to rely on broadcast media to get content. some of it is loving amazing can but rarely go mainstream for any number of reasons there's enough music i like coming out of america, and a ton of it is still by white people, because america is a majority white country, it's just not nearly as obvious as mainstream crap
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Mar 23, 2021 21:49
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Truga posted:lol wtf is this Also agree with this tbh, seeing as phoebe bridgers is white, and so is the best band currently playing: big thief.
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Mar 23, 2021 21:51
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Tylko jedno glowie mam, trumpu piec gram
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Mar 23, 2021 21:56
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anyway, can we at least all agree that cultural conservatism ≠ social conservatism and, for those who believe in nations, wanting a distinctive national art as part of a pan-European artistic tradition that may be influenced (but not subsumed) by eg. US art is good because I can agree that some contemporary US art, as with some contemporary European art, is incredibly good, but I equally think that eg. in my case Scottish literature should not be subservient to that of the US or even the rest of the UK, b/c Scottish authors like, for example, James Kelman often differ from standard English literary form with localised forms of speech, syntax and orthography, to really interesting effects like, if I'm understanding this right, cultural conservatism in the sense that VIL mentioned does not seek to eliminate and homogenise differences and diverse influences within a certain culture's art, but rather to not completely discard the national tradition in favour of eg. a hegemonic form of US art, and imo that is fine Venomous has issued a correction as of 22:43 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 23, 2021 22:21
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arguments about art and culture own because inevitability people start acting like the sum of it is what gets exported to other countries or start insisting their quirky local traditions are somehow more prestigious than other people's quickly local traditions
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Mar 23, 2021 22:29
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Truga posted:lol wtf is this I completely agree with you??? I mean yeah, I was generalising for comedy's sake, and I do think that in terms of most contemporary US media, I do prefer works by marginalised folks rather than that of white cishets, but I'm not dismissing stuff outside of the mainstream US media and besides, the authors I mentioned are not part of hegemonic forms of US literature, mainly because they are very much not white cishets, but that isn't to say that white cishets are all just making the most derivative bullshit e: Agean90 posted:arguments about art and culture own because inevitability people start acting like the sum of it is what gets exported to other countries or start insisting their quirky local traditions are somehow more prestigious than other people's quickly local traditions for the record, other people's quirky local traditions loving own and I totally want to consume all the different kickass local art Venomous has issued a correction as of 22:45 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 23, 2021 22:34
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Venomous posted:anyway, can we at least all agree that cultural conservatism ≠ social conservatism and, for those who believe in nations, wanting a distinctive national art as part of a pan-European artistic tradition that may be influenced (but not subsumed) by eg. US art is good yes, when i say i'm culturally conservative it means i like folk dances, spoken dialects, obscure crotcheting techniques and regional differences in manners and attitudes. i especially like seeing these traditions meet and mutate with external influences, such as the emergence of surprisingly good rural hip hop in my country. i do not like homogenisation or the cultural erasure of the periphery by the centre. i appreciate that people from the north will knit different patterns than people from the south, and that they will swear up and down that those patterns are objectively superior. most of all, i think that culture is something that emerges from an objective base over time, and that it helps people make sense of an often difficult and complex world and that the elimination of the culture and distinctiveness of the periphery makes people in the periphery ill-equipped to deal with their own objective reality, which is a straightforwardly bad thing. this is both intra- and inter-national: typical american attitudes are a bad fit to norwegian society, which is build in a more collectivist and less expressive style, and the oslo mentality isn't going to work in some industrial town in some benighted valley basically i can see a number of reasons to try and oppose this ongoing tendency of homogenisation which outweigh the straightforward advantages, namely that people speaking the same language with the same jargon find it easier to relate to each other and, at least in principle, more difficult to dehumanise each other
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Mar 23, 2021 23:15
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Honest Thief posted:when i learned the frogs on display werent some tourist trap was a shock second only to when i found out jew was a verb in portuguese e: Actually, English has at least three cases if turning a people into a verb for some manner of trickery. A Buttery Pastry has issued a correction as of 06:19 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 06:14
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It is in (American?) English too. Also Danish.
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Mar 24, 2021 07:16
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It is in (American?) English too. What’s the third?
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Orange Devil posted:What’s the third? To welsh
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SplitSoul posted:Also Danish.
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Mar 24, 2021 10:25
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Not surprising, but I’ve never heard anyone using it, which is frankly surprising given, you know, Danish society. Is it just straight “jøde” or some variant? Yes. You have "jødet" someone or something, i.e., hosed them over, swindled them or stolen their property.
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Mar 24, 2021 10:31
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Griefor posted:Where is this? Everyone on SA says this but I've never noticed this from people around me here in the Netherlands. And that's not to pretend nobody's racist here, it's just that besides the "Zwarte Piet is fine, actually" stuff 99% of the racism I see is targeted at islamic people, especially Moroccans. Here's a fun related story that just showed up in the news: Geen screening meer verbouwingen woonwagenkamp: - https://nos.nl/r/113330 Apparently until now, people in this city living in trailer camps (usually Roma) had to undergo an extra "integrity screening" before they were allowed to remodel their place. Others were not subject to this unless they planned to spend more than €250.000 on it (a ridiculous amount). Some nice systemic racism there! It's so blatant that they even present removing this law as an inclusiveness and anti discrimination thing.
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Mar 24, 2021 18:05
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Not surprising, but I’ve never heard anyone using it, which is frankly surprising given, you know, Danish society. Is it just straight “jøde” or some variant? ODS (pre 1950) https://ordnet.dk/ods/ordbog?select=j%F8de,2&query=j%F8de DDO (post 1950) https://ordnet.dk/ddo/ordbog?select=j%F8de,2&query=j%F8de Haven't heard anyone use it either though
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Mar 24, 2021 21:33
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I know people were posting about this like a week ago but if Dutch kids want to go trick or treating they can do it on Sint-Maarten instead of Halloween. They're less than two weeks apart! 
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Mar 29, 2021 10:13
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lol things going well in Sweden https://twitter.com/Nassreddin2002/status/1375824349840740364 SD = Sverigedemokraterna = a Fascist Party Liberals willing to work together with fascists??? 
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ekuNNN posted:Liberals willing to work together with fascists???
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In NL the big lie they always tell about this is that "at least we are willing to shoulder RESPONSIBILITY" unlike you parties who choose to "put yourself offsides" when you refuse to negotiate with or support fascism and/or neoliberalism. This goes along with insisting that you cannot change the country without entering a government, and thus are basically lying to your voters with your campaign promises, unlike them, who entered as junior coalition partners and managed to change nothing. Dutch voters eat this poo poo up too.
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