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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:Alright so I pretty well broke most of the rules :facepalm: but I was doing it to demonstrate I am working two jobs and so not just on a single salary, effectively. This company contacted me and have been pretty aggressive, but have only topped my single full time job by 10k. I’ll have to talk to them on that piece. FWIW every professional services job I've had has had a clause about not working at a different company while employed at the firm. Not sure what line of work you're going into but it's seemed pretty standard in my experience; after all, if you're working another job, those are salaried hours they can't wring out of you.
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So I posted a month or two back about my sister's boyfriend negotiations with his company to get a consulting position in NYC instead of Chicago. He did end up getting a position for NYC, and there's no travel involved for the particular position. However, I did find out that they did not give him any benefit details and said he'll find that out during orientation. That sounds absolutely insane to me. The company is British, is that normal for a a European company? I cannot imagine possibly accepting an offer without knowing details on insurance, retirement, vacation, etc for a US company. Googling the company seems to indicate it has a good reputation and its employees like it a lot. He's talked to his team members already and they all seem happy there. Still just seems shady as gently caress to me.
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Mar 23, 2021 16:06
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If you say it's a great company I'll believe you, but they wouldn't bloody likely refuse to share details about benefits if there was anything good about them.
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bamhand posted:So I posted a month or two back about my sister's boyfriend negotiations with his company to get a consulting position in NYC instead of Chicago. He did end up getting a position for NYC, and there's no travel involved for the particular position. However, I did find out that they did not give him any benefit details and said he'll find that out during orientation. That sounds absolutely insane to me. The company is British, is that normal for a a European company? I cannot imagine possibly accepting an offer without knowing details on insurance, retirement, vacation, etc for a US company. Does this company's name begin with an H?
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Mar 23, 2021 16:09
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I suppose there's so many levels removed it doesn't matter if I say the name. It's Kantar Group.
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consulting has pretty commoditized benefits in my experience. the health insurance will be very good. the vacation policy will be nominally civilized although good luck using it. the 401(k) will be decent and generally worth your while but might have a long vesting period. although since you posted the company i looked it up and it's a market research outfit and they can be goofy/cheap so i'm less confident now.
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Mar 23, 2021 16:29
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bamhand posted:I suppose there's so many levels removed it doesn't matter if I say the name. It's Kantar Group. Ah, never mind.
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Mar 23, 2021 16:30
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The 401(k) will be decent and generally worth your while but might have a long vesting period. I was at a big four company that offered 1.5% matching. I would have been less insulted by no match at all.
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Mar 23, 2021 16:33
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bamhand posted:I was at a big four company that offered 1.5% matching. I would have been less insulted by no match at all. accounting is not consulting imo even though accounting firms put on airs these days
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Mar 23, 2021 16:35
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:accounting is not consulting imo even though accounting firms put on airs these days Deloitte (we call them big D on Fishbowl) is a pretty solid player in IT consulting, at least from the outside
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Mar 23, 2021 16:57
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Inner Light posted:Deloitte (we call them big D on Fishbowl) is a pretty solid player in IT consulting, at least from the outside Experiences at Papa D depend entirely on the talent model you're hired into: consulting (demanding, multiple clients, high paying, interesting, room to grow) vs. contracting (straightforward, single client, good paying, boring, dead end). They don't advertise which talent model the position is on, so you have to know to ask.
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bamhand posted:However, I did find out that they did not give him any benefit details and said he'll find that out during orientation. That sounds absolutely insane to me. The company is British, is that normal for a a European company? No, this is not normal in the EU and I'd be incredibly wary for companies who don't try to spin their dime a dozen benefits as "we have a great / market rate secondary benefits package".
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Inner Light posted:Deloitte (we call them big D on Fishbowl) is a pretty solid player in IT consulting, at least from the outside IT consulting is hardly consulting 
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bamhand posted:I was at a big four company that offered 1.5% matching. I would have been less insulted by no match at all. Pretty sure that’s the one I’m at right now. Absolute horse piss. On the other hand the money was way better than the last place so it was still worth it. Deloitte did full match up to 4-10%. Too bad about the salaries.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:IT consulting is hardly consulting Everything below senior is just making powerpoints with 20 other juniors
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Mar 23, 2021 20:41
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hell yeah looks like i made it
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Mar 23, 2021 20:47
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LochNessMonster posted:Everything below senior is just making powerpoints with 20 other juniors Everything below Senior Manager. Senior Consultant is probably even worse than being a junior
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Mar 23, 2021 22:13
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Consultant work has other aspects than PowerPoints?
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Mar 23, 2021 22:17
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BonHair posted:Consultant work has other aspects than PowerPoints? According to my friends who have done it, you also get to advise people on the best course of action and then have them ignore you!
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Mar 23, 2021 22:30
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My brother did a stint IT consulting. His main project was a three stage system implementation. Each stage was run by a different consulting firm.
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Inner Light posted:Everything below Senior Manager. Senior Consultant is probably even worse than being a junior They’re all somehow the worst level. Senior managers seems like the worst one to me though. They really want to grind you before you make partner (at which point a new ladder begins).
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Mar 23, 2021 22:39
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all consulting is bad
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Mar 23, 2021 22:48
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting is bad
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting is bad
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting are bad
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting is bad Is that your expert opinion?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting is bad And I will never go back
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Is that your expert opinion? give me a PO # i can bill to
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I have to hire consultants so I have someone to throw under the bus when this shitshow of a project ultimately fails. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:give me a PO # i can bill to 450087413
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:give me a PO # i can bill to gently caress i had blocked this phrase out of my memory 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting is bad Chaotic Flame posted:And I will never go back
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:give me a PO # i can bill to 69420
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CornHolio posted:gently caress, it looks like I have an offer incoming. The max they were going to go with, $115k, which is over $20k more than I make now. Working to see if I can get a third week of vacation out of it but that isn't a dealbreaker. Congrats! Take the money and enjoy the next chapter. You were apprehensive about changing jobs in your legendary BFC thread from 10 years ago too and it ended up being the right choice for you and your family. Could you have imagined making it to a $115k job back then?
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Chiasmus posted:Congrats! Hell no I couldn't. I'm glad I left - a few years later, the company was bought, and then that company was bought and they gutted it. There's still a handful of people there but most are long gone. I had a frank discussion with my boss today and learned that at $115k I'd be making more than even him, as well as most of the other managers there, which tells me I was never going to make more money, ever, even climbing the ladder. I wish I still didn't feel so heartbroken about leaving. I can't explain it. It's way worse than it was before.
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CornHolio posted:I wish I still didn't feel so heartbroken about leaving. I can't explain it. It's way worse than it was before. This is a completely normal feeling that will evaporate about a day into your new job
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PIZZA.BAT posted:This is a completely normal feeling that will evaporate about a day into your new job This is some wisdom here. I went through this at the end of February - left a company I'd been at for over a decade - and it's not even the end of March and I'm already over it. Too much new poo poo too learn, to many new people to meet, too much work to do. But in a good way.
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Echoing what Pizza and Zarin are saying. 17 years working with some of the folks when I left. It was sad to say goodbye, but you get over it real quick. Like about the time that direct deposit hits for an extra 700-800 a check.  I still keep in touch with several folks.
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It makes me wonder if it might be a better measure of past (or present) jobs to see how many folks you keep in touch with. I still have several from my last job, but I’m not sure I’d have anyone from either of my current gigs. Makes u think. Jk this is the salary thread, what am I saying?
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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:It makes me wonder if it might be a better measure of past (or present) jobs to see how many folks you keep in touch with. I still have several from my last job, but I’m not sure I’d have anyone from either of my current gigs. Makes u think. It can certainly generate dollars given how referrals or outright recruitment often comes via informal connection.
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I really can't believe I'm considering staying. I'm just not excited about the job. The pay, sure, but I make good money as it is. I'm not hurting or anything. And it's RV. The company isn't 100% but this position is. And they just moved to a smaller HQ and closed their testing facility. Some small red flags for sure but I'm still just to uncertain and am defaulting to the mess I know / my comfort zone. I loving hate this and I didn't think it'd be such a hard decision, to be honest. It is, though. I'm happy where I am. Content.
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