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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The gently caress is a tankie? Someone who thinks anyone who is against the USA must be good. No matter how bad they are.
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tankies really hate nazis but they aren't sure why
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letthereberock posted:My favorite Rebekah Mercer story is how, in the run up to the 2016 election, there was a question as to whether the Mercers were going to throw their weight behind Trump or Ted Cruz, and spent time working with both campaigns. In the end they went with Trump, and multiple Cruz campaign people were quoted specifically noting what an unpleasant, awful person Rebekah Mercer was. ones a terrible human, the other is a terrible bag of bugs.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The gently caress is a tankie? for holding the water before you flushie
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Mar 25, 2021 06:48
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The gently caress is a tankie? Originally a term that referred to supposed leftists who supported the Soviet Union brutally crushing the Hungarian Revolution with tanks for daring to rise up against their glorious communist overlords, then shifted to leftists who believe that authoritarian stalinism/maoism is the only true form of leftism and also all anarchists must loving die because they're counter-revolutionary, they're even worse than the goddamn Nazis.
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Mar 25, 2021 06:57
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Any connection with Nazbol?
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toanoradian posted:Any connection with Nazbol?
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Tankies also like to go to bat for people like the Kims, Pol Pot, Jim Jones, and Assad. It’s internet communism and “gently caress you, dad!” jammed in a blender and cranked up beyond the point of any reason.
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Stunt_enby posted:it's a derogatory slur, the only connection would be that you can call nazbols tankies and probably be using the slur more or less correctly Wait, it's a slur? I've always thought of it as being a political term. Right, not gonna use it ever then, thanks.
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Mar 25, 2021 08:31
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It’s a only slur in the way the fash don’t like it when you call them the fash though.
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toanoradian posted:Wait, it's a slur? I've always thought of it as being a political term. Right, not gonna use it ever then, thanks. If tankie is a slur, then CHUD is also, surely.
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Mar 25, 2021 08:33
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No, "Nazbol".
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toanoradian posted:No, "Nazbol".
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Mar 25, 2021 08:40
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Nazbol is literally national bolshevik, so communists who thought the nazis had some good ideas. Calling people nazbol is basically just calling them a nazi, bit pro union or whatever. That's the way it's a 'slur'. E: honestly tankie is basically the same way. the first tankies called themselves that, it's a slur in that it's derogatorily used but the meanings the same. Garrand has a new favorite as of 08:43 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Mar 25, 2021 08:41
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toanoradian posted:Wait, it's a slur? I've always thought of it as being a political term. Right, not gonna use it ever then, thanks. It's a slur insomuch as CHUD or TERF is a slur. In that it is not a slur as such. Basically, as already explained, it is a derogatory term for people who will fanboy "communism" to the point of ignoring/celebrating the fascist atrocities committed by "communist in name only" regimes.
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Mar 25, 2021 08:45
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As far as slurs go, it's one of the good ones. 
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Mar 25, 2021 08:49
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Garrand posted:Calling people nazbol is basically just calling them a nazi, bit pro union or whatever. That's the way it's a 'slur'. BrigadierSensible posted:Basically, as already explained, it is a derogatory term for people who will fanboy "communism" to the point of ignoring/celebrating the fascist atrocities committed by "communist in name only" regimes. Ahh, alright, I got it. Nazbol is like a communist nazi. I'm guessing it's not used as often as tankies do? I don't usually communicate with communists, of any kind, so I'd likely never use any of these words, but it's good to know. Thanks everyone.
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Breetai posted:As far as slurs go, it's one of the good ones. In fact, some of my best friends are slurs!
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toanoradian posted:Ahh, alright, I got it. Nazbol is like a communist nazi. I'm guessing it's not used as often as tankies do? I don't usually communicate with communists, of any kind, so I'd likely never use any of these words, but it's good to know. Thanks everyone. It doesn't help that there are people who deliberately want to obfuscate the fundamentals of fascism with that of the fundamentals of communism. But then you get people who do support the genocidal policies of imperial powers because they are rivals of established capital powers. It's like people who would support the Tsarist regime because they were against the Prussian autocracy.
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TERF really is a perfect analogy because it's a term that was originally created by the terfs themselves but now they hate being called that because people realized that it's bad. Im not exactly part of the scene but I imagine very few people would actually refer to themselves as either nazbols or tankies nowadays From what I've seen people will usually get called a nazbol if you argue for workers rights / ownership of the means of production but refuse to take into account any kind of racial or identity politics. Ie the people online talking about how we absolutely can't push out white supremacist workers cause they're labor while ignoring the poc and other minorities that will get pushed out by said white supremacists. E:Anybody more educated in this feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, this is all off the top of my head while im lying in bed unable to sleep so
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To be fair though calling those people either tankies or Nazis is going to have the desired effect.
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Arivia posted:Have the TERFs accused Rebekah Mercer of being trans yet with that forehead or are they playing nice for their funders It's kind of hosed up to ask, "How has no one accused this person of being trans yet?" It's rude to those that are transgendered and it's rude to this woman for no reason other than her features. I'm pretty sure she has plenty of other qualities to poo poo on that have nothing to do with her appearance. Zesty has a new favorite as of 09:58 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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The one time I've heard the term tankie it was being used to describe someone who was against a freed Hong Kong because they felt that people didn't understand just how good Hong Kong has it and that without China's guidance and protection it would fall apart due to crime and corruption by the citizens of Hong Kong and especially the protesters.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:He's the most hated guy in the Senate, against stiff competition. Also even before he reached the Senate. Everyone who's ever worked with/had dealings with him, including a whole load of Republicans, say he's a horrible rear end in a top hat.
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Stunt_enby posted:it's a derogatory slur, the only connection would be that you can call nazbols tankies and probably be using the slur more or less correctly Lmao calling tankie a slur is even worse than terf
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BrigadierSensible posted:Basically, as already explained, it is a derogatory term for people who will fanboy "communism" to the point of ignoring/celebrating the fascist atrocities committed by "communist in name only" regimes.
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National Bolshevism is an actual political movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevik_Party The founder looks like a fashy version of Trotsky.  Very "on brand"
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I was about to say that alexander dugin has changed a lot since I last saw a picture of him because he used to look like if rasputin had his own linux distro but apparently it's a different guy.
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What's the difference between a nazbol & a strasserite? like in popular usage, not in a "they're different groups from different countries at different times" sense
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Borrovan posted:What's the difference between a nazbol & a strasserite? Functionally they're pretty much identical.
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Garrand posted:TERF really is a perfect analogy because it's a term that was originally created by the terfs themselves but now they hate being called that because people realized that it's bad. Nah, "tanky" comes out of the long-running pro- and anti-Stalin arguments in British socialism that had been swirling since the Spanish Civil War (Animal Farm and 1984 were both written as part of that argument, Orwell being very much on the libertarian side of the argument along with most of the veterans of the International Brigades) - the Hungarian Revolution and its crushing, and the publication of the Secret Speech, became the final straw for a lot of the pro-Stalin camp (remember that Stalin was lionised in British wartime propaganda so a lot of people on his side weren't even particularly aware of him as anything other than Uncle Joe who kicked the poo poo out of the Nazis), leaving only a small rump of authoritarians who were dubbed tankies by the libertarian side; it's never been a term they've applied to themselves. FWIW the term they most commonly use for themselves is in fact just "Marxist-Leninist", the term Stalin himself used but, of course, confusingly also a label that almost all communist groups claim for themselves. They call anyone and everyone *not* okay with running tanks into civilians "Trots" (for Trotskyists) because anyone against Stalin must by definition be for Trotsky, despite *everyone* in British leftism hating the Trots, including the Trots themselves.
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He didn't like Stalin. Like I'm sure there's loads of actual criticism you can make but the tankies hate him because he was the figurehead for most of the anti-stalin leftism for a while and everyone else in the UK left hates him because the trotskyite groups are all weird sex cults just like the tankie groups.
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Borrovan posted:What's the difference between a nazbol & a strasserite? Strasserism is "social democracy" but for fascism. Nazbols still (claim to) adhere to (some) communist ideas, but as a means to strengthen their state first and foremost. Functionally, there's not much difference. xtal posted:What do they have against Trotsky? Trotsky said Stalinism was fascism under another name, a new class of bureaucrats had taken over the USSR in the tsar's place, and if there wasn't a new revolution the USSR would collapse and backslide into capitalism as the bureaucrats protected their privileges. Byzantine has a new favorite as of 15:20 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Did somebody say Ted Cruz? https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1375080923608272900
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Nazbols are those guys who chased Frodo.
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Mar 25, 2021 15:24
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OwlFancier posted:He didn't like Stalin. Pretty much the only thing I know about Trotsky is that he slept with Frida Kahlo.
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Skwirl posted:Pretty much the only thing I know about Trotsky is that he slept with Frida Kahlo. That was such a weird historical crossover when I found out about that.
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Skwirl posted:Pretty much the only thing I know about Trotsky is that he slept with Frida Kahlo. No idea who that is.
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That Mexican painter with the monobrow. Ring a bell? She did tons of self-portraits.
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