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Despera posted:Hardins such a poo poo lawyer and its not hard to figure out who the accusers are when they loving set an appointment and billing at a specific date/time. Wait - just to clarify - you want the defense to guess who the accusers are?
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Amy Pole Her posted:Wait - just to clarify - you want the defense to guess who the accusers are? I know nothing about Or rather is it common practice to do so before you're forced to? It'll all come out eventually, I just don't know if they usually share at least some things early to speed the process along. Anyway Magary wrote a thing if anyone's interested.
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Grittybeard posted:I know nothing about Yes, you absolutely are. Think about it - what are some of your basic rights? You get to face your accuser. Presumption of innocence. The process is known as discovery. It’s a media/Hollywood myth that there are smoking guns in court. You can’t introduce new evidence without opposing counsel having an opportunity to process and review.
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Yeah I knew about discovery, I just didn't know if that happened immediately or if it was common to wait for a judge to tell you to do it.
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Grittybeard posted:Yeah I knew about discovery, I just didn't know if that happened immediately or if it was common to wait for a judge to tell you to do it. There's a schedule that they'll have to follow. Right now Watson has to answer the complaint first. It is also rare for cases to be filed in pseudonymous fashion. Typically it's only when minors are involved. When I asked some TX lawyers, they said that it isn't prohibited but is not favored by the texas rules of procedure.
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Mr. Nice! posted:There's a schedule that they'll have to follow. Right now Watson has to answer the complaint first. My assumption is the pseudoanonymous filings are to protect the victims until the narrative can be turned against watson. If the victims names had been attached to each of these complaints before the news of what watson did and how many women there were - the news would be litigating the victims lives rather than whether watson did it. I think SKULL.GIF is right, buzzbees handled this pretty perfectly so far.
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Despera posted:Hardins such a poo poo lawyer and its not hard to figure out who the accusers are when they loving set an appointment and billing at a specific date/time. It's still a dumb thing for him to say he can't know who the accusers are until they're then say he can prove it is false. Complete contradiction doesn't exactly speak well. Yeah they're giving dates so obviously Watson can pretty quickly go through his Instagram.
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Jack's trying to imply the team president that just quit knew about Watson's being a predator - https://twitter.com/JohnCPrepper98/status/1374737394319101959 https://twitter.com/JohnCPrepper98/status/1374512396430049288 dirty shrimp money fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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The media agenda against the Texans lol As if any sports media gives enough of a poo poo about the Texans to have an agenda of any sort
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Is this the first time the burner has weighed in on the situation?
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Media agenda against the Texans lol, buddy they seem to have an agenda against themselves
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Mr. Nice! posted:There's a schedule that they'll have to follow. Right now Watson has to answer the complaint first. Does the US do publication bans? Defense lawyers can ask for victims names to be barred from being reported on here to protect the identities of everyone involved.
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fartknocker posted:Is this the first time the burner has weighed in on the situation? Just this from last week, which is more "the media vs us" crap that came after everyone had figured out the Texans couldn't have been in on it - https://twitter.com/JohnCPrepper98/status/1372365037403267074
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I feel kinda guilty for being skeptical of this when it was just the one girl on day 1. Buzbee is a world-class rear end in a top hat but he's not going to put 16 accusers out there based on pure hearsay because McNair is his golfing buddy. They probably at least have DM logs setting up the encounter, and from there it's pretty easy to believe that many people telling a consistent story. This city is gonna be paying off karmic debt for that Astros title for decades
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Elotana posted:I feel kinda guilty for being skeptical of this when it was just the one girl on day 1. Buzbee is a world-class rear end in a top hat but he's not going to put 16 accusers out there based on pure hearsay because McNair is his golfing buddy. They probably at least have DM logs setting up the encounter, and from there it's pretty easy to believe that many people telling a consistent story. Yeah, the courts have been a clown show for months, but it's pretty clear it was a mistake to fixate on him rather than the accusation. I hate that Watson has opened himself up to this poo poo. This is going to be used as reinforcement for biggoted opinions and that sucks. It's good that it came out, no matter how the rest of this goes I imagine it's going to be much harder for Watson to be predatory now that this stuff is known. It's just so depressing when people who champion good causes end up being lovely people.
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Elotana posted:This city is gonna be paying off karmic debt for that Astros title for decades yeah and it rules
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Eifert Posting posted:I hate that Watson has opened himself up to this poo poo. This is going to be used as reinforcement for biggoted opinions and that sucks. Look man. I have no idea what you're saying here. I assume it's not actually bigoted or anything because you seem like a decent dude. But this is a thread about a guy doing tens of sexual assaults in 2021. You can't be just postin here. You can't just toss off poo poo without reading it through unless it's a joke like marsh or whatever. You can't just get real in your feelings and toss off stuff that seems deep in the moment because it will just look banal or dumb in the cold light of day. Just read your posts through before posting them and consider if it actually adds anything, if any insights are actually real or not, if there's an actual question that has a possibility to be answered, just anything other than another weird sophist deconstruction of ways it makes you feel bad where you accidentally imply like watson is the real victim or whatever. Please
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Phobeste posted:Look man. I have no idea what you're saying here. I assume it's not actually bigoted or anything because you seem like a decent dude. But this is a thread about a guy doing tens of sexual assaults in 2021. You can't be just postin here. You can't just toss off poo poo without reading it through unless it's a joke like marsh or whatever. You can't just get real in your feelings and toss off stuff that seems deep in the moment because it will just look banal or dumb in the cold light of day. Just read your posts through before posting them and consider if it actually adds anything, if any insights are actually real or not, if there's an actual question that has a possibility to be answered, just anything other than another weird sophist deconstruction of ways it makes you feel bad where you accidentally imply like watson is the real victim or whatever. Please All he said was it sucks that a high profile player who is very vocal about civil issues that matter turned out to be a monster because it only gives bigots ammunition to dismiss and attack those causes. He isn't wrong. Watson's actions don't just have an impact on his own reputation. It has an impact on any cause he's ever supported. That is part of why this feels so much worse than when other allegations have come out. Because Watson had a reputation of being a really good dude. He had a lot farther to fall. I'm pretty sure this is the exact thread to discuss all the long term ramifications of Watson's actions.
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Sataere posted:All he said was it sucks that a high profile player who is very vocal about civil issues that matter turned out to be a monster because it only gives bigots ammunition to dismiss and attack those causes. He isn't wrong. he’s wrong to worry about it because it turns out bigots don’t need ammunition to dismiss and attack those causes. nobody on either side will have their mind changed about BLM or homeless outreach or etc. by this
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indigi posted:he’s wrong to worry about it because it turns out bigots don’t need ammunition to dismiss and attack those causes. nobody on either side will have their mind changed about BLM or homeless outreach or etc. by this This is absolutely true but it's easy to forget. This is the last thing I'll say about the whole thing. It loving sucks that Watson's a sexual predator. I feel bad about being skeptical at the very beginning. I got tribalist because the attorney appeared to be a scumbag and Watson supports a bunch of causes I feel very strongly about. It was poor judgement and I was wrong. Watson wasn't just a strong advocate for social justice, he was also a visible symbol of the positive effects of charity. There aren't a lot of folks who get the platform Watson had to affect positive change in the world and it sucks that he spoiled it by being an abuser. Judging by how he's handled this and the serial nature of it I highly doubt he'll ever show any real contrition or remorse. It's loving depressing. But you're right to say the most important thing is the women that were affected; the literal dozens of women. And it's true there isn't anybody out there who's going to argue that what Watson is somehow invalidates those causes in good faith. It's all people who have a conclusion already. A big part of it is just selfishness; I don't want to read that poo poo in comment sections and football posts outside of this forum. I'll leave it be.
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I don't think it is a controversial opinion, wishing that someone wasn't a sexual predator. But I get that with uh....the literal mountain of lawsuits dating back quite a while, that some people don't want to hear from others who are down in the dumps that football dude is probably a shitbag. I myself am sad that this mess will be dragged out long enough to make the public care less because that's just the fuckin' go-to move nowadays. You don't want to rush the process, but you also wish society could give a poo poo about something for more than 5 minutes.
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Shinjobi posted:I don't think it is a controversial opinion, wishing that someone wasn't a sexual predator. But I get that with uh....the literal mountain of lawsuits dating back quite a while, that some people don't want to hear from others who are down in the dumps that football dude is probably a shitbag. Have I got a tweet for you my dude. https://twitter.com/papapishu/status/746803108949409793?s=21
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SKULL.GIF posted:Was Hardin's statement the thing that Watson leaked he was going to release this week, or are we still waiting on a fuller response from him? Watson isn't going to say poo poo. He's been told to stay quiet, and is doing so. There is nothing he can say that will help the situation. We will only hear from him as a part of a settlement, in deposition, or at trial.
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indigi posted:he’s wrong to worry about it because it turns out bigots don’t need ammunition to dismiss and attack those causes. nobody on either side will have their mind changed about BLM or homeless outreach or etc. by this Truth
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fsif posted:So Watson ever going to release a statement or...? Rusty Hardin keeps a tight lid on his clients. We might never get a statement outside of a trial setting.
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This is not new information, but I noticed someone on /r/NFL went to the trouble of compiling all the Watson information in one post. The replies have an entirely different feel to them, even though /r/nfl has been generally disfavorable towards Watson ever since this came out 9 days ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/md9av6/deshaun_watson_allegations_a_detailed/
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SKULL.GIF posted:This is not new information, but I noticed someone on /r/NFL went to the trouble of compiling all the Watson information in one post. The replies have an entirely different feel to them, even though /r/nfl has been generally disfavorable towards Watson ever since this came out 9 days ago. 35,218 characters 6,038 words 253 paragraphs That's an effort post
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I don't think it serves his interest to do that now.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:35,218 characters Yeah, it's an amazing post. Reading through the comments, I noticed one that pointed out something that I don't think anyone here has (and apologies if it did come up here or in the N/V thread already): Reddit user superfrobatcat posted:Deshaun Watson was seeking out a lot of women who did not typically give massages. It seems like Watson was more likely to get further with these women because they were unfamiliar with the boundaries professional massage therapists expect. I completely missed that detail, and it just makes Watson even more of a bastard that I thought he was already
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