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Mar 26, 2021 11:58
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I've moved department since lockdown and it's a bit poo poo to have never actually met any of the people I'm working with. But I'm not fussed enough that I want to commute on a regular basis or prop up the commercial property market. I think my office is going to stop renting at least half of the floors we have and only allow a proportion of the workforce to come in on any given day, which is fine by me.
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Mar 26, 2021 11:58
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I'm going a bit stir crazy at home all the time, I was WFH 2 days a week before so something like that would be perfect. Re: piss volume, back in the day when I was still in the clinic I had the joy of working on clinical trials in patients with multiple myeloma, which is a cancer of plasma cells that produce antibodies. The cancerous cells continue producing antibody so much it ends up in your piss in large amounts and fucks up your kidneys along the way. One of the tests is to collect 24 hours of urine and see how much monoclonal antibody is in it, and one of my patients used to fill 2x 5-litre piss jugs each time. Extraordinary. He later became quite cognitively impaired and we did a load of MRIs and other tests to find out why, with no result. Eventually his brother came to clinic and told us he was drinking ridiculous amounts of tea, chain-drinking cup after cup. The haematologist persuaded his partner to substitute in decaf tea, which she did sneakily without the patient knowing, and the dude's brain recovered.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:05
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We have moved to permanent “flexible working” where most people wfh but they expect to see you in the office 1-2 days a week. They are reducing office capacity a lot in order to spread the desks out and provide more meeting rooms, I think the general idea is to try and arrange it so the 1-2 days you’re in are also when your team are in, so you can do some face to face meetings. Seemed like a good compromise. Of course this has resulted in complaints from the people who are desperate to be in 5 days a week, and also those who don’t want to be in at all. I can see it all falling apart when people are assholes about it (eg our PM who doesn’t like to wfh and has been trying to insist on regular f2f meetings even in the last year).
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Mar 26, 2021 12:07
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I don't really care where the work is, I don't want to do it.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:07
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Yeah we're going to move to a hybrid model when we go back (which will be whenever the government says it's safe+2 months, minimum), where we spend a couple of days in the office and the rest at home. Quite how well that's going to work in my line of work where we have prototype settop boxes on our desks that we're really not supposed to leave on the Tube, I'm not sure.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:10
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I don't really care where the work is, I don't want to do it. Well it's a hell of a lot easier to not do it at home.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:11
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For the past however long office work has been a thing (100+ years? I dunno) everyone who would have worked better from home during that time has had to suck it up and go to the office every day of the week. Now that technology allows so many people to WFH, and be happier for it (me included) I've seen so many people whining about missing the office and telling people they should go back. gently caress you I've had to put up with being dragged in to the office 5 days a week going stir crazy, most of the time not even having to talk to anyone when I'm AT work for my entire working life up to this point. Once things do eventually go back to normal, everyone who has the ability to WFH should have the option to WFH has much as they want imo. Nothing's stopping the office missers going back to their godawful open plan breakout space hot desk hellscape, just let us home-likers have the choice for once. Aphex- fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Mar 26, 2021 12:12
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Aphex- posted:For the past however long office work has been a thing (100+ years? I dunno) everyone who would have worked better from home during that time has had to suck it up and go to the office every day of the week. Now that technology allows so many people to WFH, and be happier for it (me included) I've seen so many people whining about missing the office and telling people they should go back. gently caress you I've had to put up with being dragged in to the office 5 days a week going stir crazy, most of the time not even having to talk to anyone when I'm AT work for my entire working life up to this point. Excluding landlords and bosses in the media I've seen nor heard almost nobody say they want to go back to an office 5 days a week. I don't even think it's representative of bosses as I don't even know anyone whose employer is planning on insisting on it, including people who work for massive companies like Blackrock etc.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:17
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My flat is not really conducive to a wfh set up - we have a small table we've got two laptops and two screens on (and I can't fit another screen). There is also the issue of never really 'turning' off apart from just shutting the laptop closed. But good lord it's so much better than being in an office. I miss my office around 0%. The people are nice, I don't have any enemies, it can be quiet at times but at the same time tooo many people from other departments just barge in casually enquiring about deadlines for tasks that are favours for them and not realising how loving rude it is. Also the amount of money I spend on food and tube outside is insane. A lot of departments are being moved to a big open plan office altogether with hot desks so maybe that'd be preferable, but I am very much a work from home 99% unless otherwise needed.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:22
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For all those who don't have to be in an office but WFH is not the best scenario (cramped conditions, bedsits, overcrowding, 5 people trying to WFH and homeschool using the 2MB internet available in rural areas etc), I'm sure some of the empty shops (loads in our town now that will never reopen) could be converted into co-working spaces with good broadband (better than coffee shop), video conferencing facilities, either in-house cafe or menu cards from local cafes to deliver (very common in Cairo to see local cafes delivering to shops, market stalls etc), 'water cooler' spaces and so on. Privacy screens or booths if you need more privacy, perhaps some 'internet cafe' laptops for those who don't have their own access. Having lived in HMOs until I was about 36, trying to WFH sitting on your bed because there is literally NO room for a desk, no matter how slim, in your room causing horrible lower back pain, I can quite see why folk in these situations would prefer to go back to the office. My blood pressure rises when I read comments under articles from those privileged folk saying 'everyone' can fit a desk in their bedroom when they have patently never lived somewhere where there is barely space for your legs twixt door, walls and bed, your clothes and other belongings live on a shelf protruding over your bed (using up the space said privileged persons claim you could put a desk). Same sort of privileged folk who said it was quite easy to quarantine someone at home because you simply have them stay in one room while you (and whoever else shares the home) stay in the other rooms (!) and thoroughly clean the walls of bathroom and kitchen whenever they use them. But I digress. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Mar 26, 2021 12:27
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I am grateful lockdown hit juuuuust before I became eligible to buy a Zone 1-4 yearlong Tube pass through my employer. Saved me hundreds of quid given the last time I was on it was last February.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:28
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Skarsnik posted:Can't leave wales without a reasonable excuse This is just part of the strategic deception before they take Chester while nobody is allowed on the battlements to shoot any approaching Welsh.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:31
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Managers and bosses desperately want people around they can micromanage and annoy again A manager without people to manage is a pitiful thing. I think they're more worried about their own job. Without people to manage, they could lose their own job, since they then become surplus to requirements too. Even more out of work that way. Having to start from the bottom again. And would they rise again? More slaves trying to crawl out of the pit.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:32
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You can still manage a team remotely though. You can even shout at people on camera and obsessively track their activity to make sure they're not skiving.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:40
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In the end, it's all about the bottom line. I can well believe that there's a certain number of middle management types who are badly missing having a team on hand who they can hover around and micromanage. But the company bosses who make the decisions can see the enormous savings on rent and utilities that come from reducing office space and well, money talks.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:43
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All outstanding fudge orders will ship at 1400 today- so if you want to ensure you’ll have delicious goodies in time for Easter, time to head over to https://www.fudjit.co.uk and make it happen! I’ll be shipping next week, but with the postal service being what it is I can’t guarantee parcels will make it before the holiday. Cheers 
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Mar 26, 2021 12:43
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stev posted:You can still manage a team remotely though. You can even shout at people on camera and obsessively track their activity to make sure they're not skiving. I had a meeting with a rep from the company that provides our productivity software (it reassigns our customer-facing staff to various tasks depending on the current volume of customers), and he mentioned that the system could track what the active window on people's computers were so we could see if they were doing their assigned task or just surfing the internet. He then said, in a bemused voice, "but your company said they didn't want that function turned on for some reason" like he couldn't imagine why any manager might not want to have completely obsessive control over everything their employees do. Though in fairness to him, it did surprise me too. I'm not entirely sure who made that call at my company or why.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:51
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Managers and bosses desperately want people around they can micromanage and annoy again This. How can they know they're better unless they can force rules on those "beneath" them? Remember at the start of all this when we were "all in it together"? They thought everyone was just as likely to get Covid and they were scared. Now they know they can be safe and still exert the power we can go back to the way things were. A nice ancillary benefit being they can drive a wedge between those who can work from home and those who cannot. There's more than enough homeworkers who will be happy to throw the "frontline" staff under the bus to keep it that way. There's always more and it's always worse.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:57
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Excluding landlords and bosses in the media I've seen nor heard almost nobody say they want to go back to an office 5 days a week. I don't even think it's representative of bosses as I don't even know anyone whose employer is planning on insisting on it, including people who work for massive companies like Blackrock etc. I'm in local government so maybe that's an outlier but my team can't wait to get back in the office once it's safe enough to do so. WFH has been an enervating and isolating experience and I'm sincerely looking forward to leaving my home every morning and seeing other people again. Plus I've had to set up my workstation on my gaming table and once I can have people over again there's no way in hell that's staying there
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Mar 26, 2021 13:31
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Some good news for a change the Bell v. Tavistock appeal has actually had a good result which basically neutralizes the judgement of the case for pretty much everyone affected https://goodlawproject.org/news/tavistock-success/
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Mar 26, 2021 13:44
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I've got room at home but I'll be going into thw office 4 days a week when it reopens - a 30 minute commute is good for me, and I actually want to see and interact with people again. It's the managers with kids and families to manage who seem more relieved that WFH is staying as an option in our place, because only coming in 1-2 days a week drastically lowers childcare burden and school run organizing between them. If your workplace is also a community, people will want to return to it. It it's solely a commerical void, no wonder people will stay away given the choice.
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Mar 26, 2021 13:49
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I think a lot of people mentally need the clear delineation between business and leisure, go to work for work things and home is for home things. When your leisure environment is suddenly filled with work things its hard to switch off. Also if you have all the resources to fully WFH i imagine employers don't do much to discourage you from the free labour of doing bits here and there while you're off the clock.
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Mar 26, 2021 13:49
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This seems relevant. https://goodlawproject.org/news/tavistock-success/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social%20media&utm_campaign=tavistock%20win%202603
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Mar 26, 2021 14:01
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offices are bullshit and the only people who enjoy them are sociopaths imo
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Mar 26, 2021 14:02
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It is totally mad the variation in wfh/office working. There are some offices I wouldn't have minded working in and others where I would have had to be dragged back kicking and screaming. Surely it is safest though to just say 'do what you prefer' and not force people to go back into potentially mental hell and germ factories
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Mar 26, 2021 14:05
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crispix posted:offices are bullshit and the only people who enjoy them are sociopaths imo I like that other people pay for the tea and occasional biscuits/doughnuts. Ironically I think working from home has done a lot for my back and shoulder problems because my home desk is much smaller than my work one so I can't put my feet up when on long calls or when reading something, which I couldn't stop myself doing even though I knew it was turning me into a pretzel.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:10
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I'm sure people will end up being played off against each other. 'well Jimmy wants to come back to the office 5 days a week so why don't you? seems like you're not a team player'. and then nerdlinger Jimmy is hated by everyone
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Mar 26, 2021 14:10
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The one thing I can say for certain about the WFH situation is that it has definitely made the "Corbyn just wants free broadband so that dossers on the dole can go on porn" people wind their neck in spectacularly. Bet their ancestors a century back were going on about "piped water will just mean the feeble minded will sit on their behinds instead of walking to the well, a lack of the manual pumping action encourages certain habits" too.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:10
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Rumda posted:Some good news for a change the Bell v. Tavistock appeal has actually had a good result which basically neutralizes the judgement of the case for pretty much everyone affected This is heartening to read. Here's hoping there are many more successes to follow.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:12
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The stupidest possible outcome is that all (or most) bosses continue to insist that every employee keeps making the daily trek to the office, all day every day, for no reason, and then everyone is miserable and ugggh Because this is the stupidest outcome, it is also the likeliest
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Mar 26, 2021 14:14
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So regarding Bread (and pastry based comestibles?) chat from a few pages back, I lived in France for a couple of years almost two decades ago. There was a boulangerie over the road that was on the way to the train station to work. Oh god the beautiful beautiful smells. I miss that place. Having a Greggs wedged into a petrol station half a mile up the road isn't the same.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:25
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BalloonFish posted:Quoting myself from the Idiots on Social Media thread: How quickly we forget that there was a time when the entirety of the Irish population subsisted on nothing but potatoes. Rumda posted:Some good news for a change the Bell v. Tavistock appeal has actually had a good result which basically neutralizes the judgement of the case for pretty much everyone affected That is some good news.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:25
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BalloonFish posted:Quoting myself from the Idiots on Social Media thread:
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Mar 26, 2021 14:39
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biglads posted:So regarding Bread (and pastry based comestibles?) chat from a few pages back, I lived in France for a couple of years almost two decades ago. There was a boulangerie over the road that was on the way to the train station to work. Oh god the beautiful beautiful smells. I still remember the little French bakery that used to be next to the entrance to Holborn station meaning on the escalators, as trains entered and left, you'd get a rapid alternation of that grease/disinfectant/ozone/sweat smell of the tube, or the smell of freshly-baked bread and cakes, fired straight up your nose. I feel like that's the sort of thing that you could actually use as some sort of torture.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:39
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I still remember the little French bakery that used to be next to the entrance to Holborn station meaning on the escalators, as trains entered and left, you'd get a rapid alternation of that grease/disinfectant/ozone/sweat smell of the tube, or the smell of freshly-baked bread and cakes, fired straight up your nose. I feel like that's the sort of thing that you could actually use as some sort of torture. The French are serious about their bread. The worst bread you could buy at the giant Monoprix in Montesson was a sliced loaf of 'pain de mie' also known as 'pain anglais' that featured a cartoon guardsman and a union jack on the packaging lol.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:49
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I think a lot of bosses aren't malicious but if you're a boss who got to where they are because you're a workaholic you just can't understand people who don't want to be in the office. My boss is **so** excited about being back in the office and talks about it constantly, then gets depressed when the rest of the team says that WFH is actually pretty good. You also can't discount the cohort of boomer white men who just want to be able to go to the office to avoid their wife and kids.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:15
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I'm lucky that we had just moved to a place with a spare room to turn into an office when covid hit, if I'd had to work from home in the tiny flat I was in before I would have gone insane. And being in the office the last few weeks for labwork it has been pretty nice seeing some of my colleagues again. So I'm not unsympathetic to the people in situations like that who want to be back in offices, and employers going full WFH need to be made to provide a good, comfortable and safe work environment, whether that means renting co-working spaces or providing office furniture and subsidising Internet and electricity. Mandating being in the office every day for everyone is insane now that we've all had a year and more to appreciate the joys of rolling out of bed to attend your morning meeting in your dressing gown, hanging out with your dog or loved ones during lunch, saving huge amounts of time and money on commuting and so on. Since we have a bunch of laboratories and workshops my company can't go fully remote but my union demanded assurances months back that flexible WFH would stay in place after covid and I don't think anyone really opposed it either among workers or management.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:21
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https://twitter.com/HeartScotNews/status/1375447520676089859 The TERFs have only gone and set up their own party.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:22
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MikeCrotch posted:
Far and away the most cringe thing about some of the facebook groups I'm in are the men lamenting not being in the office because "have to get my brewing kit / motorbike parts / whatever other hobby delivered home and hid it from the ol' ball and chain  "
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