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What they need to do is just make a giant salmon cannon and use it to launch the other ships around the obstacle e: content for new page 
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Has anyone seen who was in actually charge of the ship at the time of the crash? The Suez requires pilot crews on every vessel that goes through there, and the canal authority charges many thousands of dollars for it, but apparently they spend the ~13 hour transit time just snacking and sleeping.
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Mar 26, 2021 07:17
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Not specifically who but I keep reading about strong winds and a sandstorm contributing but considering how many ships go through literally all the time it’s hard to imagine this is the first time those two factors came up. I can’t imagine the cause being anything but, to use the mild term, pilot error.
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Mar 26, 2021 07:36
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Kibayasu posted:Not specifically who but I keep reading about strong winds and a sandstorm contributing but considering how many ships go through literally all the time it’s hard to imagine this is the first time those two factors came up. I can’t imagine the cause being anything but, to use the mild term, pilot error. How many ships of that size, though? I imagine there's a lot less of a margin of error with this thing than so many other vessels.
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Mar 26, 2021 07:42
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There was mention of a power outage.
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Mar 26, 2021 07:46
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mng posted:There was mention of a power outage. They said blackout which I assumed to be power related, but I suppose could be interpreted as "blackout conditions due to a sandstorm"
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Mar 26, 2021 07:50
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Azathoth posted:Apparently work started on this last night: https://www.reuters.com/article/egypt-suezcanal-ship-int/suez-canal-could-be-blocked-for-weeks-by-beached-whale-ship-idUSKBN2BH0BP I loving knew it! They should send me to unstuck it. My rate is $1m/hour, has to be cheaper that what they're doing. I even have another brilliant idea: cool the ship with some ice, that would arguing it by around 0.5m and get it unstuck. Azhais posted:They said blackout which I assumed to be power related, but I suppose could be interpreted as "blackout conditions due to a sandstorm" Blackout could also be pilot related, you know
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Mar 26, 2021 08:15
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mobby_6kl posted:Ok serious suggestion now. Don't they have those dredging ships/barges that can suck up sand or other sediment from the water? During the Yom Kippur War the Egyptians did pretty much this to breach the Bar Lev Line fortifications on the Suez. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)#Combat_engineering quote:Israeli engineers had constructed a massive artificial sand barrier spanning 160 kilometers (99 mi) of the canal's east bank (except for the Great Bitter Lake, where the width of the canal made a crossing unlikely). To prevent erosion, the sand barrier was supported by concrete, which was one metre (3⅓ ft) above the water at high tide, and three metres (10 ft) above water at low tide. The canal was 180–220 meters (590–720 ft) wide and approximately 18 meters (59 ft) deep. Engineers had to clear seventy passages through this sand wall, each seven metres (23 ft) wide. This meant the removal of 1,500 cubic meters (2,000 cu yd) of sand for each passage. Initially, conventional methods were tested for breaching the sand wall. It was found that, to clear a single passage required 60 men, 1 bulldozer, 600 lb of explosives and five to six hours, uninterrupted by enemy fire. Since the crossing sites would likely be congested and under enemy fire, these methods proved to be impractical and too costly.[38]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Lev_Line quote:Generals Ariel Sharon and Israel Tal objected to the line and argued that it would not succeed in fending off Egyptian attackers.[4] Sharon said that it would pin down large military formations, which would be sitting ducks for deadly artillery attacks,[5] but the line was completed in spring 1970.
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Mar 26, 2021 08:17
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Alkydere posted:For a moment I thought you were talking not about potential physics glitches but about how much Evergreen/Evergreen's insurance is liable for over time. Wasn’t it being operated by a canal pilot at the time? Seems like it’d be on the canal authority in that case, in which case good luck trying to collect from the entity that decides whether or not your ships can transit. Alternately if the problem was the sandstorm/unexpectedly high winds, then that’s about one of the biggest acts of god ever.
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Mar 26, 2021 11:20
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I wonder what changes will be made to operations in the Suez Canal going forward as a result of the incident.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:09
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Platystemon posted:I wonder what changes will be made to operations in the Suez Canal going forward as a result of the incident. They'll replace the Huge Fan the blows across the canal with a merely Big Fan
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Mar 26, 2021 12:16
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Platystemon posted:I wonder what changes will be made to operations in the Suez Canal going forward as a result of the incident. 
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Mar 26, 2021 12:16
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Phanatic posted:Wasn’t it being operated by a canal pilot at the time? Seems like it’d be on the canal authority in that case, in which case good luck trying to collect from the entity that decides whether or not your ships can transit. If there was any kind of malfunction in the ship's controls, though, things would complicate somewhat. Happy times for maritime lawyers! 
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Mar 26, 2021 12:17
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Phanatic posted:Wasn’t it being operated by a canal pilot at the time? Seems like it’d be on the canal authority in that case, in which case good luck trying to collect from the entity that decides whether or not your ships can transit. Theoretically, legally...yes it should have been but apparently the Suez pilots are less than professional from some stuff that's cropped up. Either way I imagine Evergreen's lawyers are working to make sure they're not responsible for a massive bill.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:17
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Platystemon posted:I wonder what changes will be made to operations in the Suez Canal going forward as a result of the incident. Remove the steering wheel when ships enter the canal so they can't turn sideways. Install rollers on sides of canal so ships stay on course.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:18
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Nenonen posted:Remove the steering wheel when ships enter the canal so they can't turn sideways. Install rollers on sides of canal so ships stay on course. Bowling bumpers!
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Mar 26, 2021 12:20
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Phanatic posted:Wasn’t it being operated by a canal pilot at the time? Seems like it’d be on the canal authority in that case, in which case good luck trying to collect from the entity that decides whether or not your ships can transit. This is yet to be confirmed. Yes, they had to have a pilot crew on board to make the transit, but apparently Suez Canal pilot crews are notoriously lazy and useless. https://twitter.com/Nature_Grrrl/status/1375170581725863942
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Mar 26, 2021 12:20
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Alkydere posted:Theoretically, legally...yes it should have been but apparently the Suez pilots are less than professional from some stuff that's cropped up. Either way I imagine Evergreen's lawyers are working to make sure they're not responsible for a massive bill. Think i read Evergreen merely owns the ship and some other outfit operates it. The amount of finger pointing on this is going to be astounding.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:23
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schmug posted:Think i read Evergreen merely owns the ship and some other outfit operates it. The amount of finger pointing on this is going to be astounding. Not to mention that admiralty law probably applies here, so they have to follow freeman-on-land interpretations!
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Mar 26, 2021 12:57
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Nenonen posted:Not to mention that admiralty law probably applies here, so they have to follow freeman-on-land interpretations! More like freeship-on-land.
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Mar 26, 2021 13:20
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One side of the canal gets dredged, the other side doesn't. So even if the Ever Givens bow was completely freed the stern still might be stuck.
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Mar 26, 2021 13:25
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Turn the boat into a apartment building
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Mar 26, 2021 13:29
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RandomPauI posted:One side of the canal gets dredged, the other side doesn't. So even if the Ever Givens bow was completely freed the stern still might be stuck. Apparently the side of the canal the bow is stuck on is a lot more shallow than the other side https://twitter.com/JonJennings/status/1375153985342992389 You can see how far the bow is out of the water from the red waterline being visible under the bow but not under the stern.
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Mar 26, 2021 13:29
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Rascar Capac posted:More like stuckship-on-land. ftfy
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Mar 26, 2021 13:55
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Fingers still crossed for a classic Elon Musk big brain solution tweet storm to really kick the fun into high gear
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Mar 26, 2021 13:56
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Wrr posted:Fingers still crossed for a classic Elon Musk big brain solution tweet storm to really kick the fun into high gear Maybe his submarine can help dig the sip out below the waterline!
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Mar 26, 2021 14:02
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The Bloop posted:settle down, Bevis Hmm? Ah I realized that may have seemed like my opinion, but it isn't. Some people are getting incredibly upset by goons second guessing the intrepid heros working on the canal issue and it's pretty funny.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:03
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aphid_licker posted:Apparently the side of the canal the bow is stuck on is a lot more shallow than the other side Wow that is worse than I thought, and I already thought it was pretty drat bad. And, of course, the easiest way to fix a grounding like that would usually be to pull really hard and back it off... which obviously isn't an option here. They have to turn it instead, and swing the entire bow.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:16
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It’s not an international news event until Elon Musk accuses the excavator of being a pedophile.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:17
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Log082 posted:Wow that is worse than I thought, and I already thought it was pretty drat bad. And, of course, the easiest way to fix a grounding like that would usually be to pull really hard and back it off... which obviously isn't an option here. They have to turn it instead, and swing the entire bow. Well they somehow got it into this position, so why don't they just do the opposite. Removal is the reverse of installation and so on.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:26
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Green Intern posted:It’s not an international news event until Elon Musk accuses the excavator of being a pedophile. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't offered to fix this with a battery powered space rocket fired from a tunnel under the ship yet
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Mar 26, 2021 14:28
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Elon is too busy fact checking the onion and posting in every tesla plant that he deleted his anti-union tweet.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:31
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mobby_6kl posted:Well they somehow got it into this position, so why don't they just do the opposite. Removal is the reverse of installation and so on.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:34
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A third party owns the ship and a third party contractor provides the crew and operates the ship and I am having a hard time wrapping my head around what evergreen actually does beside paint their name on the ship
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Mar 26, 2021 14:43
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Mar 26, 2021 14:49
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shame on an IGA posted:A third party owns the ship and a third party contractor provides the crew and operates the ship and I am having a hard time wrapping my head around what evergreen actually does beside paint their name on the ship International shipping is built on layers and layers of shell companies and obfuscation to limit the liability of the actually liable parties. The Ever Given, when it is freed, will not continue on it's path to Amsterdam. It will most likely be arrested by Egyptian courts and held until the people responsible either come pay for their ship/cargo or they have auctioned it all off.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:50
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Or it explodes and takes out the food infrastructure of a whole country.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:55
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Read also the tale of the ship that got the ammonium nitrate to Beirut: owner sent a not seaworthy ship which got confiscated and never claimed. The authorities kept it for some years before moving the cargo to the ill fated warehouse and scuttled that rust bucket.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:55
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Mr. Nice! posted:.. they have auctioned it all off. Uh, I seriously doubt the ship is worth the billions they're going to be going after them for.... Seems like a foregone conclusion she's an Egyptian ship now...
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Mar 26, 2021 15:06
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How many more days until it counts not only as boatfuckling but also world economic fuckling?
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Mar 26, 2021 15:09
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