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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

stephenthinkpad posted:

Is the CA HSR even happening, haven't heard any news in a while.

It was pretty much cancelled, there may be a segment that goes from Bakersfield to Merced. If anyone has lived in California, they will know exactly how useful that is.

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fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

VideoTapir posted:

Isn't it great we as a species decided to cover half the land in our cities with carcinogen reservoirs?

god bless america

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

fart simpson posted:

god bless america

I'm looking out my window in China at an asphalt road right now.

Though to their credit, China has a lot more (CO2 intensive) concrete roads than the US does.

Plenty of doom for everyone.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
How can American create such inefficient decision making system for long term city planning? Spend billions on the HSR and then cancel it.

Both east and west coast can use HSR for future growth. How about just double the spend of the commuter train system for the next 100 years?

Do I have to bring up China has plan for the national 600kmph maglev syatem. Mean while I ride ebike to work because the NY highway system is over crowded. I guess we can forget about better commute ever and go straight to telecommuting huh?

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

VideoTapir posted:

I'm looking out my window in China at an asphalt road right now.

Though to their credit, China has a lot more (CO2 intensive) concrete roads than the US does.

Plenty of doom for everyone.

im looking out a factory window in china at an aquaculture farm right now

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

stephenthinkpad posted:

How can American create such inefficient decision making system for long term city planning? Spend billions on the HSR and then cancel it.

Both east and west coast can use HSR for future growth. How about just double the spend of the commuter train system for the next 100 years?

Do I have to bring up China has plan for the national 600kmph maglev syatem. Mean while I ride ebike to work because the NY highway system is over crowded. I guess we can forget about better commute ever and go straight to telecommuting huh?

If you will always be on top, why change? Our urban planning besides maybe some gentrification really hasn’t change and probably won’t.

Also too much of it is already baked in and our cities are still based around cars with minimal public transportation. Even Portland if anything has been back sliding over the years.

It is also why I don’t think being truly competitive with the PRC is in the cards. We would have to start making sacrifices and it just isn’t going to happen.

It is a lot easier to use a bunch of money and then throw up your hands.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

fart simpson posted:

im looking out a factory window in china at an aquaculture farm right now

You mean an antibiotic poison lagoon?

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
Now begins America's Century of Humiliation

Junkozeyne
Feb 13, 2012
If you think about it, shortening the gap in infrastructure building can also be achieved by bombing Chinese infrastructure. Please allocate 50 trillion to the defense budget, tia

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

stephenthinkpad posted:

How can American create such inefficient decision making system for long term city planning? Spend billions on the HSR and then cancel it.

Personally, I blame neoliberalism.

More generally though, in both the political and economic spheres it has become increasingly apparent that we are incapable of any great work or great action. We lack the ability to build for the future. Can you imagine the US in 2021 undertaking and completing any of the great infrastructure or technological feats of the past? Could 2021 US build the Hoover Dam or go to the moon?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Well the moon mission happened because it was half of a military project. So if you can sell any infrasturcture project as military (like the internet or starlink), you can still make it happen.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

VideoTapir posted:

You mean an antibiotic poison lagoon?

you know the ones

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

stephenthinkpad posted:

Well the moon mission happened because it was half of a military project. So if you can sell any infrasturcture project as military (like the internet or starlink), you can still make it happen.

the us has lost the ability to do even halfway efficient military projects as well, so even if you managed to sell something as military spending what would happen is that all the graft and waste means that you'd get something half-assed about a decade late and at ten+ times the original projected cost

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Cerebral Bore posted:

the us has lost the ability to do even halfway efficient military projects as well, so even if you managed to sell something as military spending what would happen is that all the graft and waste means that you'd get something half-assed about a decade late and at ten+ times the original projected cost

this is the point I was trying to make. The systems in the US have reached the point where, as has happened elsewhere and in other times, the amount of inherent graft and incompetence has become unsupportable.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

bedpan posted:

Personally, I blame neoliberalism.

More generally though, in both the political and economic spheres it has become increasingly apparent that we are incapable of any great work or great action. We lack the ability to build for the future. Can you imagine the US in 2021 undertaking and completing any of the great infrastructure or technological feats of the past? Could 2021 US build the Hoover Dam or go to the moon?

the US probably couldn't build a new library without at least questioning the utility of simply allowing books to be "borrowed" for "free"

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Both the US library system and the UK NHS are not possiblr with the current governments.

Now that I think about it, how come Disney didn't push for any law that ban VHS rental in libraries?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

stephenthinkpad posted:

Both the US library system and the UK NHS are not possiblr with the current governments.

Now that I think about it, how come Disney didn't push for any law that ban VHS rental in libraries?

don't worry libraries are being slowly destroyed by digital books and streaming subscription services. the more things become digital the less ability the library has to help you pirate books

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Rutibex posted:

don't worry libraries are being slowly destroyed by digital books and streaming subscription services. the more things become digital the less ability the library has to help you pirate books

he’ll yeah

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Admittedly, it isn’t only the US, the crossrail project in London has 5 years longer than it should and is now one of the costliest transit projects in history.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Ardennes posted:

Admittedly, it isn’t only the US, the crossrail project in London has 5 years longer than it should and is now one of the costliest transit projects in history.

they are the US

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Baykin posted:

Is there historical basis to the idea that China would be willing to sanction and blockade Taiwan if the US wasn't involved? I'm honestly asking as someone that has only relatively recently started learning in depth about China, so I don't want to come off as a big proponent of Chinese propaganda if I've fallen for it, but from the bit that I've dug into I'm unaware of them acting in such a way. If they have, I'd very much appreciate any examples so I can continue educating myself.

lets ask some white ivy leaguers what they think since apparently theyre the only ones who have to capability/allowed to advise our govt on such things

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Ardennes posted:

A 3 trillion dollar bill is both possible (that’s only 300 billion a year btw) and it will be mostly on highways and random non-sense.

Btw the total cost of a f 35 is closer to 110 million with total costs added and the USAF admits it isn’t useful for any scenario where a dogfight could take place and it is really only a strike fighter.

The f-22, which there are about 120 operational and mostly located in the US, would have to do all the heavy lifting. The best I can tell the f-35 was designed to strike non moving targets in Middle Eastern countries with minimal air defenses.

but arent drones doing all that poo poo already?

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Cerebral Bore posted:

the us has lost the ability to do even halfway efficient military projects as well, so even if you managed to sell something as military spending what would happen is that all the graft and waste means that you'd get something half-assed about a decade late and at ten+ times the original projected cost

bro the pentagon doesnt even know the real number of bases they have around the world and are relying on a loving author's speculation

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Agrajag posted:

bro the pentagon doesnt even know the real number of bases they have around the world and are relying on a loving author's speculation

you gotta be loving kidding me

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

dead gay comedy forums posted:

you gotta be loving kidding me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YR2TxHkb4c

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011


lol, of course Johnny Harris had an internship with NATO and idolizes Madeleine Albright

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011



incredible, just incredible

they had a literal army of accountants and they couldn't do it, this is right off wh40k bureaucracy stuff lmao

and yeah I gotta admit I admire how creatively they spun that one, though - "THIS ORGANIZATION IS SO drat HUGE AND POWERFUL AND MASSIVE THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW EXTENSIVE IT ACTUALLY IS" gives a strong america gently caress yeah feel until the inconvenient idea of "wait but how effective it truly is" comes up

THS
Sep 15, 2017

remember when the US lost $12 billion dollars in iraq, oopsie lol

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

dead gay comedy forums posted:

incredible, just incredible

they had a literal army of accountants and they couldn't do it, this is right off wh40k bureaucracy stuff lmao

and yeah I gotta admit I admire how creatively they spun that one, though - "THIS ORGANIZATION IS SO drat HUGE AND POWERFUL AND MASSIVE THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW EXTENSIVE IT ACTUALLY IS" gives a strong america gently caress yeah feel until the inconvenient idea of "wait but how effective it truly is" comes up

at least the Imperium of Man has 1,000,000+ worlds to administer as their excuse. the US military has like 750 bases? you can't keep track of 750 things?

Goonswarm has more bases than that and we manage to keep track of them

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

THS posted:

remember when the US lost $12 billion dollars in iraq, oopsie lol

yup "lost" directly into my hidden caymen islands bank account

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

keeping a list of my army bases in a txt file and losing it cause the porn site i visited locks my work laptop

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Agrajag posted:

but arent drones doing all that poo poo already?

The f-35 was designed back in the 1990s. It seems like it was designed around essentially a Persian Gulf style conflict.

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Can an F-35 run Doom?

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

VideoTapir posted:

Now begins America's Century of Humiliation

Americans don't care though. It's like when we get destroyed in soccer.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

THS posted:

they are the US

Absolutely not. They have a monarch. Don't put that evil on us.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
UK will join Oceania once Megan destroy the monarch.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Ardennes posted:

A 3 trillion dollar bill is both possible (that’s only 300 billion a year btw) and it will be mostly on highways and random non-sense.

Btw the total cost of a f 35 is closer to 110 million with total costs added and the USAF admits it isn’t useful for any scenario where a dogfight could take place and it is really only a strike fighter.

The f-22, which there are about 120 operational and mostly located in the US, would have to do all the heavy lifting. The best I can tell the f-35 was designed to strike non moving targets in Middle Eastern countries with minimal air defenses.

We already had good ground attack jets in the A-10, the f35 was nominally intended to replace both ground attack and aircraft fighting all in one but it sucks at both lol

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Relevant Tangent posted:

Absolutely not. They have a monarch. Don't put that evil on us.

their monarchs are now just reality TV show stars. the UK is the 51st state, 2nd fiddle junior partner in the american empire - especially since brexit. their nationalists should be humiliated and ashamed - a leashed chihuahua collared by their former colony

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

THS posted:

their monarchs are now just reality TV show stars. the UK is the 51st state, 2nd fiddle junior partner in the american empire - especially since brexit. their nationalists should be humiliated and ashamed - a leashed chihuahua collared by their former colony

And still can't get a FTA from the Yanks, lol.

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PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Maximo Roboto posted:

Maybe a Swiss type system of militarizing the entire populace for guerrilla resistance


lol invading Lebanon- why, to displace Hezbollah? and Somalia because it all worked out so well there last time for U.S. forces

tbf it said "destabilize" and they got the Ethiopians to do that in 2007 by restarting the civil war

PawParole has issued a correction as of 01:13 on Mar 27, 2021

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