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I don't think he didn't know what he was doing. I think his intentions are crystal clear in the ending. I disagree that he was playing fourth dimensional chess with EON and crafting a satirical takedown of Bond under their noses, which went unnoticed by them and most audiences upon release. I think both EON and Mendes were on the same page in creating a celebration of Bond. It deliberately presents the character as old and outdated both in terms of the narrative and as a meta cultural figure. But then pivots to argue why we still need him anyway and ends the film with him ascending into the role we all recognize. I agree, it's not subtle. M even has a whole speech about it to make it clear as day.
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I tend to view the ending of Skyfall as tragic too. I mean, in the personal sense, we sort of see Bond on the brink of quitting - past the brink of quitting really, we see Bond *constantly* failing, his health failing him, failing to rescue the girl, failing his entire mission. But he ends the movie back on the job, while another character quits instead. You can read it many ways and certainly at one angle Bond has to serve the franchise goals of "there has to be more movies". But the interpretation I had was that Bond is trapped in a kafkaesque nightmare that even though the only reason he had to stick with the job is now dead, he remains a 007 because unlike Moneypenny, he has nowhere else to go, nothing else in his life. Bond the man died, only Bond the agent remains. Makes the job much easier. Also made it easier to ignore the execrable Spectre. EDIT: ^^^ The answer to "why we still need Bond" within the movie is "because M still needs Bond, and Bond still needs M". Despite whatever M might say about "needing someone to press or not press the button", it is totally not supported by the movie itself. The conclusion of the movie focuses on the emotional angle, reinforced by the return to Bond's childhood home, reinforced by Bond throwing away every single thing he cares about to save one retiring civil servant. And fails. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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^I didn't really get that from Skyfall, but I did funnily enough take exactly that from Casino Royale.
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Karloff posted:^I didn't really get that from Skyfall, but I did funnily enough take exactly that from Casino Royale. I think Casino Royale did have the same theme as well, with the "who cares, the bitch is dead" line, but then it goes to lengths to have M restore Bond's humanity somewhat by telling him about Vespers saving him, resulting in Bond going after Mr White for revenge. My view of Skyfall is basically as a bleaker version of that, where M isn't around any more, everyone Bond cares about is dead, and he's just stuck as the company man.
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Skyfall was a film I didn't love but it sure is one of the most beautifully filmed that I've ever seen, it's as good a candidate for that whole Every Frame A Painting thing as they come. Such incredible cinematography, it still baffles me how Deakins didn't get the award for it. As for themes, the main theme I took from it was death. Starting with that shot of Bond looking in the mirror at MI6 invoking the Grim Reaper, where he literally looks like a skull with a thin layer of skin stretched over it, he goes on to achieve...nothing. He fails to retrieve the hard drive, he doesn't save the girl, he doesn't foil the antagonist, he isn't able to save M. He just zips from one disaster to the next leaving a trail of bodies and destruction in his wake because that's all he's good for. He's effectively an avatar of Death, he can't be killed but nor can he do anything but kill.
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STAC Goat posted:I popped my own popcorn on the stove tonight and it was pretty easy and worked. None of the fancy seasonings and oils and stuff people talking about, just a little vegetable oil, a little butter, and a little salt in a regular old pot with a vented lid and it was pretty decent. So probably gonna ditch the microwave stuff and maybe try some of the suggested stuff and improve on it. Yeah, once I realized how easy stovetop popcorn was I wondered why I had ever bothered with microwave. And poo poo, even if you really only want to go to the effort of microwave popcorn, you can just put some kernels in a paper bag, staple it shut (it's fine!) and microwave it that way!
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Necrothatcher posted:Kinda weird that this film about a notoriously misogynist character would go out of its way to show him as a misogynist piece of poo poo. Except the movie explicitly agrees with it and thinks Bond is great. The entire purpose of that movie was to revert any character progress they had made with Bond the previous two movies, because "the old ways are the best ways." It's also very pro austerity in that way. It's a beautifully shot movie that's horrible on every other way.
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i don't remember a single thing about this movie so being shown a 6 second clip of bond beating people with with an unremarkable briefcase and being told this is actually implicitly some masterclass in messaging is very funny to me
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site posted:i don't remember a single thing about this movie so being shown a 6 second clip of bond beating people with with an unremarkable briefcase and being told this is actually implicitly some masterclass in messaging is very funny to me It's crazy that knowing things about a movie means you can make sense of discussion about it.
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Or to invent unsupported theories.
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The argument that Skyfall is trying to criticize Bond's misogyny doesn't even make sense because that's not the only way in which the movie is misogynistic. And, again, it's all framed pretty loving heroically.
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Aphrodite posted:Or to invent unsupported theories. I feel like I've given a whole bunch of direct examples from the film but go on
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdlvexsfRAw oh, well, youtube sucks but that's the suicide squad trailer
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Looks about a billion times better than the original. That's for sure.
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John Cena finally getting to show off the fact that he has excellent comic timing
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I stupidly went "OH gently caress" when I saw Starro on the screen. Can't wait.
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Cael posted:I stupidly went "OH gently caress" when I saw Starro on the screen. Can't wait. Same that’s going to own.
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site posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdlvexsfRAw Looks ok. I’m loving King Shark and John Cena and I take it that’s Starro as the villain/kaiju.
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Was this the reveal of who Elba plays finally too? Or did I miss that earlier?
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site posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdlvexsfRAw
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Aphrodite posted:Was this the reveal of who Elba plays finally too? Or did I miss that earlier? Bloodsport
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Going to need to see Peacemaker vs. John Walker Captain America in an island-full-of-dicks eating competition in the name of liberty.
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site posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdlvexsfRAw Oh my God starro
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I laughed more in that trailer than I did in the entire first film.
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site posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdlvexsfRAw I just wish they went with the Harley Quinn king shark. Other than that, it looks good. edit Just watched it again. Maybe they did go the Cartoon route for him? Hard to tell. badjohny fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Shark man scary.
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badjohny posted:I just wish they went with the Harley Quinn king shark. Other than that, it looks good. https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1375485609460965376?s=19
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Who the gently caress is this Bloodsport jabroni trying to climb things? There's only ONE man who can climb anything!!!!!
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CapnAndy posted:MOTHER loving STARRO ARE YOU KIDDING ME, gently caress YES This was my exact reaction holy poo poo I AM READY
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Endless Mike posted:Who the gently caress is this Bloodsport jabroni trying to climb things? There's only ONE man who can climb anything!!!!! The king is dead, long live the king.
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Well, so, just spotting things in the trailer Harley is carrying a javelin half the time, so uh, we know at least two casualties
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:John Cena finally getting to show off the fact that he has excellent comic timing Yeah, I laughed at his delivery of "Who knows why madmen do what they do?"
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is kong vs godzilla not on streaming? i thought it was supposed to be out today
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site posted:is kong vs godzilla not on streaming? i thought it was supposed to be out today Next week
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Next week.
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Yea, that looks real good. Good seeing Cena in a movie where he isn't a super tough manly man that has to take care of a bunch of kids.
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John Ostrander as the guy injecting the bomb into the Squad's heads. Nice.
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Trailer was good, but the trailer for the original was also good. I will not be fooled again. Edit: I also have no idea who 80% of these characters are. I know Harley, King Shark, Captain Boomerang, Waller, and I guess the guy from the first movie is back but I still don't know who he is. Jamesman fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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