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rko posted:The messaging from AOC and Bernie has put me in a very dark place today tbh. There are really only three things that could be true about this: My take is that bernie is old and no longer radical. He's spent enough time in Washington that he thinks every incremental battle won is a success because otherwise it makes it hard to get up in the morning after 60 years of failure. He's just happy to get anything out of this administration, and we would have gotten a lot more out of him if he won but it still would have been a lot more disappointing than we'd have feared I feel. AOC I believe is in a similar mold, but is definitely looking out for #1 because she's still got 60 years left. Bernies 80 and doesnt have to worry about money or the future anymore. AOC really did believe being left would help people and get her power, but since it failed its just about keeping power at this point. If she helps people along the way, that's just an extra benefit to help her sleep nicer at night. How evil you think these things are, I guess depends on how cspam you are.
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well number one worked on me because I no longer believe in liberal democracy as a viable political model given the events of the past year
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Shipon posted:I no longer believe in liberal democracy as a viable political model given the events of the past year 
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loquacius posted:yeah option 1) is tempting because life sucks and this country sucks and there's no hope for the future, but options 2) or 3) also thoroughly explain everything AND leave just as hopeless a result while being much simpler Occam's-Razor-wise if anything, assuming they're controlled opposition is a more appealing reality because there's still a possibility some good politician might someday exist
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tmfc posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-progressive-b1822558.html
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Here's the tea AmeriKKKa is the great satan The government of the USA is a murder/misery machine operating on a global scale Nothing will get better. Ever. Larger swaths of the population will fall into deprived conditions and big tech and the MIC will keep them in check to make sure they don't bother People of Wealth. No one is coming to help. No one is going to change it. It will not stop. 
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Excelzior posted:lol AOC was 100% an op
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Is it too late to ask for a refund?
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my bony fealty posted:https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html quote:Some on the Left have looked at Biden’s record and his differences with the Bernie wing of the party, and they conclude that no progress is going to come out of the Biden administration. What’s your view? lmao
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Mar 26, 2021 19:27
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[Dems]: "I prefer winning, actually."
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spacemang_spliff posted:https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1375489546096349192 Don't worry, 18 wheelers are exempt from the tax 
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gradenko_2000 posted:she's mixing up two different expressions: "(arguing in) bad faith", and a "bad actor" lol she's thinking of BJG and Virgil Texas's podcast
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Atrocious Joe posted:lol she's thinking of BJG and Virgil Texas's podcast Its actually just a DND mod saying that anything that isn't DND group think is arguing in bad faith "anyone who has opinions different from our own must be trolling us and trying to get an "own" in therefor its bad faith"
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Mar 26, 2021 19:31
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Mirthless posted:if anything, assuming they're controlled opposition is a more appealing reality because there's still a possibility some good politician might someday exist I find 2) the most appealing, because it leaves open the possibility that if we manage to win it'll mean something, and these politicians only suck now because they lost and got blackpilled
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aoc is kaput, finished. Isra Hirsi, you're our only hope.
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spacemang_spliff posted:https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1375489546096349192 lol Pete wants to be Macron so bad he's gonna provoke his own Yellow Vests
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oh, so you're saying you want the children of millionaires to be able to drive around for free? why can't you guys support my pragmatic idea of income-based tax credits for mileage offsets for the working class?
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Atrocious Joe posted:lol Pete wants to be Macron so bad he's gonna provoke his own Yellow Vests Can't wait for him to claim that he's far more racist than anyone who opposes him.
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Can't wait for him to claim that he's far more racist than anyone who opposes him. too racist for le pen is my favourite moment in liberalism from last year.
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Atrocious Joe posted:lol Pete wants to be Macron so bad he's gonna provoke his own Yellow Vests comedyblissoption posted:a regressive neoliberal fuel tax increase in france resulted in nationwide yearlong protests and riots even after the quick reversal of the tax
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Tubgoat posted:Spoiler: The Amerikkkan media fails to cover these protests because of overlap with the protests against Derek Chauvin receiving a presidential commendation from Kkkopmala Harris. The fire department still gets involved, but they murder protestors with high-pressure hoses instead of setting themselves ablaze and brawling with pigs. lol Kkkopmala Gotta remember this, it will send the KHive into blind rage
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At least I never gave aoc any money Surprised dnd isn't cheering on that aoc interview https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1369386573997936646?s=20 Bootleg Trunks has issued a correction as of 19:50 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Just remembering how mad everyone got at Jimmy Dore for correctly calling AOC a sellout.
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is pepsi ok posted:Just remembering how mad everyone got at Jimmy Dore for correctly calling AOC a sellout. so beyond-the-pale to accuse a politician of bad faith that it's worthy of instant excommunication, but not beyond-the-pale for the same politician to accuse thousands of bad faith
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Why would you ever give money to a politician? Especially since AOC is in a D+40 district and people were eating ramen to send her 50 bucks a week. lol
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Why would you ever give money to a politician? Especially since AOC is in a D+40 district and people were eating ramen to send her 50 bucks a week. lol wanting to believe that you can invest in a better future for yourself and your children i mean, aoc and bernie pretty decisively taught us where that ends up going, but i can appreciate the sentiment
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Raiad posted:wanting to believe that you can invest in a better future for yourself and your children Someone in a D+40 district is going to win with or without your chipotle fund. Just get the guac instead.
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This part really gets to the core of why the whole "optimistic progressive" mindset is absolute poison, because it causes people to completely deny the reality that is in front of them and, through such denial, ultimately end up defending the status quo. You might find that what AOC and the DSA say here is very similar to the people on these very forums who whine about "nothing matters" posters - in other words, posters who, under any circumstances, reject the premise that something was good. I get where it comes from - people want to feel like we're on a positive trajectory. But it crosses a line when it leads to gaslighting and attempting to silence anyone who doesn't axiomatically believe that the left is ascendant, and I have absolutely zero sympathy for it when it's coming from someone who is well-off themselves (which, to be frank, is most of these people - people who are directly exposed to the bad things are far less likely to be able to deceive themselves about this stuff than people who can selectively cherry-pick convenient information). edit: I think the most infuriating part is when people like AOC in the above quote say stuff like "you are calling the people who are protected 'no one.'" Do these people not realize how grotesquely callous they appear to the "literally several orders of magnitude more" people who are continually and actively harmed (if not outright killed) due to things the US government is actively doing? These people frame things like no one is at fault for all the people who the US harms (when a Democrat is in power, at least). silicone thrills posted:Its actually just a DND mod saying that anything that isn't DND group think is arguing in bad faith The reasoning is essentially "anything outside of D&D group-think antagonizes other posters, which means that it was posted with the deliberate intent of antagonizing them." That's essentially what they mean when they give probation reasons like "stop trying to own your posting enemies." It's a mindset that unsurprisingly leads to culling most dissent, at least when the people in question are a bunch of whiny losers who are riled up by anything outside of mainstream US liberal ideology. The only sort of posting that should count as "trolling" is posting that never engages with what other people say in response and obviously doesn't care what they say. So people like mcmagic or, back during the FTV stuff, that Quetz guy were *not* trolling, because they clearly at least cared about the arguments they were making. That How Are U guy is one of the rare situations where I feel comfortable characterizing something as trolling, but even then it's better to err on the side of not probating for trolling unless someone is repeatedly being a problem to the point it completely ruins a thread. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 20:07 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Willa Rogers posted:the latino media pressed him the hardest and libs are furious with them.
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Tubgoat posted:Is Manchin the one whose daughter is a pharma baroness? Yes
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Grapplejack posted:Don't worry, 18 wheelers are exempt from the tax Actually the tax is based on how jacked up your truck is off the road
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Why would you ever give money to a politician? Especially since AOC is in a D+40 district and people were eating ramen to send her 50 bucks a week. lol lol yeah those dumb loving workers trying to support one of the first new politicians who looked like she might try speaking up for them in ages, what dummies, not like me, the very smart person who derives all joy from being technically correct while debating on a dying comedy website ugh I have to log off
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Someone in a D+40 district is going to win with or without your chipotle fund. Just get the guac instead. I assume people donated to her to help in her primary, not the general election. Not that leadership has any need to primary her anymore
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rko posted:lol yeah those dumb loving workers trying to support one of the first new politicians who looked like she might try speaking up for them in ages, what dummies, not like me, the very smart person who derives all joy from being technically correct while debating on a dying comedy website Getting the burrito instead turns out to be the technically and effectively correct decision.
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