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I watched some fan edit stuff on youtube which put ZSJL scenes in 16:9 and I gotta say while I respect Snyder's artistic vision and all I would really prefer a 16:9 version for casual viewing
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John Wick of Dogs posted:JJ and Whedon both are not fully to blame. They were given impossible demands and schedules and very specific bullet points they had to hit in the meantime. I know that when John Boyega was ripping into Disney he made a point of saying "and everyone needs to lay off my mate JJ"
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Mar 27, 2021 01:51
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I will give Whedon zero leway on anything given the stories about how agressively lovely he was about Zack personally and about the movie. Sure he could have just come on and played the role of the studio lapdog but he showed up onto a cast and crews beloved production that they fought hard for screaming "everything is poo poo and your friend sucks" Like if you've ever worked on a tight set with a tight crew that is supremely supremely lovely behavior. It does not surprise me that they had to replace almost the entire production crew, you would have seen walk offs over that kind of stuff. Ive seen it over less.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:53
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JJ likes his mystery box poo poo but his films at least have energy to them. Whedon fails on every level.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:58
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Roman posted:I watched some fan edit stuff on youtube which put ZSJL scenes in 16:9 and I gotta say while I respect Snyder's artistic vision and all I would really prefer a 16:9 version for casual viewing Just use the "zoom" function of your HDTV 
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Mar 27, 2021 02:13
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Yeah, the Disney SW movies seem like a way bigger structural problem than any specific director. They're...more or less internally consistent within each installment, but clash insanely against each other as a series. Each one is some kind of course-correction from the previous, so they don't really build up anything and clearly had no plan from the outset. Whedon's JL sucks because it's completely inconsistent within the *same* movie. I guess I have some sympathy in that it was literally Whedon's job to push against the momentum Zack Snyder intentionally built towards. But that all evaporates when I see how bad Whedon's decisions are to that end. He keeps trying to hammer the same goofy, genre-aware peg into this hyper-earnest hole, and it never works. His reputation at one time was as some kind of master of tone, adeptly weaving seriousness and silliness together in genre fiction, but here it's really off-putting and incoherent. Say what you will about The Last Jedi, but it works as a movie. Its tone makes sense even if you don't like it; it has themes and character beats that play out logically.
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Mar 27, 2021 02:22
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Xealot posted:Say what you will about The Last Jedi, but it works as a movie. Its tone makes sense even if you don't like it; it has themes and character beats that play out logically. Yeah, buuuuut...have you noticed the disappearing knife during the throne room brawl?!
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Mar 27, 2021 02:24
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teagone posted:Yeah, buuuuut...have you noticed the disappearing knife during the throne room brawl?! Nitpicks like this are ironically something Lucas would have fixed in a special edition.
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Mar 27, 2021 02:26
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I just laugh whenever someone tries to dunk on me with the disappearing knife thing whenever I say that I absolutely love the throne room fight in TLJ. I'm like, "cool, I don't give a poo poo."
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Mar 27, 2021 02:28
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AccountSupervisor posted:I will give Whedon zero leway on anything given the stories about how agressively lovely he was about Zack personally and about the movie. Yeah, I'm sure it'd be one thing if he came on like "ok so they're making me rewrite it to be more like Avengers and make it two hours zero minutes zero seconds, sorry about that but uh go team!" but by all accounts he was actually high on his own hype, trashing the existing cut to multiple people and getting mad if anyone had a script suggestion. One thing that stood out to me when I watched it was, in the Snyder Cut there's that scene where Cyborg fixes the carrier and says "flight is its nature" and Bruce says "yours too" and then he says to Alfred that he knows Superman will come because of faith. It's a lovely scene, one of my favourites. It's not in Joss's version. Not cut for time, though. Cut in favour of a scene he added, a longer scene, where Aquaman sits on Wonder Woman's lasso and says a bunch of embarrassing poo poo. Hilarious!
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Mar 27, 2021 02:32
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teagone posted:I just laugh whenever someone tries to dunk on me with the disappearing knife thing whenever I say that I absolutely love the throne room fight in TLJ. I'm like, "cool, I don't give a poo poo." In jurassic park, the trex scene climax is pushing the jeep over a cliff that didn't exist earlier in the same scene, but no one gives a poo poo because it's a great loving scene.
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Mar 27, 2021 02:38
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You can totally blame Whedon for how bad his reshoots looked divorced from the rest of the film, the bad writing in said scenes, and how much of a colossal rear end in a top hat he was to everyone from Ray Fisher down to Junkie XL. There was no excuse for his attitude, and from what we know now this has been a consistent problem with him Behind the Scenes. He's a creep who doesn't have an eye for movie directing. You can't blame him for being told by the executives to dramatically alter a finished movie, and coming out with a bad film IMO. He was tasked with turning a completed, moody, epic film into a grounded "shmucks quip about saving the world" Avengers flick, that was always going to result in a bad film. WB and Geoff Johns especially should have known better than to do this, because the exact same thing was done to the 2015 Fantastic Four film, and noone liked that either! Snyder deserved to have had his vision released in 2017, and in hindsight with what we know now Whedon didn't deserve poo poo, but if Warner Brothers wanted an Avengers film out of Whedon, they should have had him direct an Avengers movie, not jury-rig an existing film. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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people bitch about zack not "getting" Superman and co., but Whedon's contempt for these characters is so palpable.
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Mar 27, 2021 02:43
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Equeen posted:people bitch about zack not "getting" Superman and co., but Whedon's contempt for these characters is so palpable. The Diana/Natasha thing is telling
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Mar 27, 2021 02:44
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the butt shots, everyone being an quip machine, and cyborg reduced to a nothing character. shameful.
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Mar 27, 2021 02:47
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Most of the stuff that was added was seriously just the characters bickering with each other
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Mar 27, 2021 02:49
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Oh dang I just noticed the parallel between Ares striking Darkseid in the right shoulder with the axe, loving him up, vs Steppenwolf hitting Superman in the left shoulder and it not doing poo poo
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Mar 27, 2021 02:57
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teagone posted:Yeah, buuuuut...have you noticed the disappearing knife during the throne room brawl?! Did you notice the SJW agenda and all the polotic!!!???
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The United States posted:Here's a fan-comic based on the early drafts of the original story: https://awinegarner.squarespace.com/duel-of-the-fates
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Timeless Appeal posted:One of his actual examples is the cascading mysteries of Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars, so that's not really true. Q: "Who's Obiwan?" A: "It's that old man." is the opposite of his mystery box analogy. Abrams' point is that overall 'cacade': when a question is answered in a story, you introduce a new question so that the audience is kept engaged. These questions are just basic stuff like "what will the hero do now?", but you ultimately don't want your audience to stop thinking about what's happening in the narrative. That's to say that you don't want your overall narrative to be fully 'solvable'. Abrams then moves on to examples of properly unsolvable mysteries, which are just basic stuff like Spielberg keeping the shark offscreen in Jaws. "What exactly is the shark doing when it's not visible?" is a mystery box. And again, it's nothing like the meme. The audience isn't desperate for more shark footage, to know that the shark is busy swimming around or taking a poo poo or whatever.
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Mar 27, 2021 03:22
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I want to join and watch Justice is Grey but I’ve had cocktails and burgers and tacos and at this point I can’t make it. Have fun guys
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Mar 27, 2021 03:36
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2house2fly posted:Most of the stuff that was added was seriously just the characters bickering with each other One of my favorite aspects of the Snyder Cut is how much respect and admiration everyone seems to have for each other. They work together and function as a coherent, supportive team. It was refreshing (especially after BvS, quite honestly). Whedon's characters act like a dysfunctional sitcom family and I don't want to be spending time with them any more than they do.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Q: "Who's Obiwan?" A: "It's that old man." is the opposite of his mystery box analogy. Abrams' point is that overall 'cacade': when a question is answered in a story, you introduce a new question so that the audience is kept engaged. These questions are just basic stuff like "what will the hero do now?", but you ultimately don't want your audience to stop thinking about what's happening in the narrative. That's to say that you don't want your overall narrative to be fully 'solvable'. But he is literally shouting mystery box when he is describing the start of Star Wars. The Mystery Box is a lot of things because it's a mental model.
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Lol I joined
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Blaming JJ Abrams for Lost always throws me because beyond writing and directing the Pilot and his involvement in the show was pretty minimal since he got hired to direct the third Mission Impossible before they even finished filming the initial 13 episode order for Season 1. The whole of Lost was Damon Lindelof's and Carlton Cuse's baby, not JJ's. Lindelof has talked about how he nearly went insane running the show on his own before ABC hired Cuse as his co-showrunner. CPFortest fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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Lindelof also was way out of his depth fighting against the network who wanted like 10 seasons and he was thinking more like 4. He went on to explore the theme of unanswerable questions/not liking the answers you get in Leftovers and Prometheus respectively
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CelticPredator posted:Did you notice the SJW agenda and all the polotic!!!??? Are you saying the movie had no actual feminist message, or that said message should be embraced rather than scorned? The two most toxic crowds concerning that movie are Very Concerned about how the movie interacts with feminism, and tend to label everyone who likes or dislikes it as either an SJW or alt-right incel, respectively. Very healthy discourse.
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Mar 27, 2021 05:56
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I’m saying gently caress the people who whine about the last Jedi.
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Tlj is a bad movie
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It's bad but everyone you talk to have different reasons for disliking it and some of those reasons can be dumb or toxic culture war bullshit.
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Mar 27, 2021 07:23
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One reason I like TLJ is because it has a lot of pretty pictures. Star Wars has never looked better than it has in TLJ (and Rogue One). It's also why I like Snyder's work—scenes that have interesting composition, lighting, color, etc. will always heavily inform my opinion of a movie. Snyder does pretty pictures really well, coupled with neat camera work and action design.
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TLJ is great besides the casino planet, which could have been better integrated. A lot of complaints ("the sister of a jedi was able to pull herself slightly in weightless space!" "The admiral didn't tell the pilot who hosed up their last plan the current plan, which he also fucks up!") are just bluntly stupid. Yoda burning a treefort and laughing at Luke for obsessing over a book instead of actually practicing its teachings was pretty great.
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Mar 27, 2021 07:38
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Cinema Discusso is just about the only place where you can see The Last Jedi criticized from the left instead of from the right.
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If you all don't stop derailing this thread with TLJ nonsense I will sentence you to 300 cycles of somatic reconditioning and yeet your asses into a black hole on the next dildo express
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TLJ is gorgeous but I wanted a movie that would actually commit to condemning the Jedi ideology and it whiffed that hard which isn't an entirely fair criticism because it's very much "it's not this other movie I wanted it to be" but still
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:TLJ is gorgeous but I wanted a movie that would actually commit to condemning the Jedi ideology and it whiffed that hard Looks like you're gonna get frozen and stuck into a dick ship to be sent into a magical space butthole.
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teagone posted:Looks like you're gonna get frozen and stuck into a dick ship and be sent into a space butthole. Jor-El was right, you're a pack of fools, every last one of you!
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Jor-El was right, you're a pack of fools, every last one of you! I added magical in my ninja edit to make the phantom zone sound fancy.
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teagone posted:One reason I like TLJ is because it has a lot of pretty pictures. Star Wars has never looked better than it has in TLJ (and Rogue One). It's also why I like Snyder's work—scenes that have interesting composition, lighting, color, etc. will always heavily inform my opinion of a movie. Snyder does pretty pictures really well, coupled with neat camera work and action design. Yeah, TLJ is way too long and a little messy, but I like that it looks good and has a point and for the most part lets its actors do some poo poo. Also, regardless of which Star Wars movies you love or hate, Laura Dern is maybe the only actor to make "May the force be with you" actually sing.
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teagone posted:One reason I like TLJ is because it has a lot of pretty pictures. Star Wars has never looked better than it has in TLJ (and Rogue One). It's also why I like Snyder's work—scenes that have interesting composition, lighting, color, etc. will always heavily inform my opinion of a movie. Snyder does pretty pictures really well, coupled with neat camera work and action design. Rewatch Empire; the whole movie is drat beautiful. Basically its Half of Rogue One > Empire > TLJ > Other half of Rogue One in cinematography and camera work.
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