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would we have this without bioware?
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Mar 28, 2021 15:15
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It is kind of a letdown how much world reactivity and dialogue choices have backslid in AAA RPGs since then. At the beginning of the last decade people were talking about what future tech could do for weaving in player choice, now we're all wishing for a game even half as divergent as Mass Effect 2.
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Mar 28, 2021 15:15
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The cost of the part of the game the player doesn't see got too high Plus it's hard to make a sequel to a game with multiple endings
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Mar 28, 2021 15:28
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Yeah there are many practical reasons why this fell out of favor, it's still a disappointment though.
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Mar 28, 2021 15:30
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What are they going to do, NOT spend a hundred million dollars on graphics???
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Mar 28, 2021 15:31
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i mean this last gen we didn't even have any sequels to interconnect between!
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Mar 28, 2021 15:32
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Rarity posted:And the poop guy is also here, wonderful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDubgcSUxXQ
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Mar 28, 2021 15:37
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Game worlds become larger, scope grows wider, game systems get more expansive, staff sizes increase, development cycles grow longer, budgets balloon, individual writers can't exert as much control over the world state or narrative as they once could. It's hard not to see the dearth of reactive AAA RPGs as a response to this process over the last 10 years. I wish Mass Effect was more influential, then we'd maybe see some more 30-hour games that take less than a decade between entries.
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Mar 28, 2021 15:38
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Fighting the FROGs with Meryl's team and you know the Metal Gear Solid franchise turned into Call of Duty so slowly I didn't even notice
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Mar 28, 2021 15:52
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JOHNNY WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF COMBAT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO poo poo YOURSELF
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Mar 28, 2021 15:53
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lol did you know the trivial pursuit “moops” card from the seinfeld bubble boy episode was a real misprint in the 1972 edition of the jeopardy board game
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Mar 28, 2021 15:57
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A misprint of what?
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Mar 28, 2021 16:00
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Cardiovorax posted:A misprint of what? Moops isn't a proper noun, it should've been "moops"
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Mar 28, 2021 16:09
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Cardiovorax posted:A misprint of what? "Who invaded Spain in the 8th century?" The Moors
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Mar 28, 2021 16:11
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Ah, those Moops.
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Mar 28, 2021 16:15
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Harrow posted:Monster Hunter Rise....... is good This reminds me of Mario Odyssee, like, character doesnt have a glide or anything but has plenty of tools to yeet themselves into the air and then throw some poo poo around to get horizontal about it
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Mar 28, 2021 16:17
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exquisite tea posted:Game worlds become larger, scope grows wider, game systems get more expansive, staff sizes increase, development cycles grow longer, budgets balloon, individual writers can't exert as much control over the world state or narrative as they once could. It's hard not to see the dearth of reactive AAA RPGs as a response to this process over the last 10 years. I wish Mass Effect was more influential, then we'd maybe see some more 30-hour games that take less than a decade between entries. Seems like the Open World game formula has become so rote it's inevitable that eventually making them will become really streamlined in some development software. The tools indie devs have today to repaidly create functioning games and basic mechanics are pretty impressive considering how much work and how long it once was to even set up a simple 3d space to platform in or whatever. I don't know if there will be a straight up OpenWorldMaker2000, but surely making Open World games easily creatable through diff game engines seems like a feature set any of them would wanna have around. Then again there's also a ton of work that can't be streamlined the same way or where you're always gonna want or need someone whose sole job is doing that one thing, like cutscene animation, or other things that might take all-development to complete.
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Mar 28, 2021 16:29
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exquisite tea posted:It is kind of a letdown how much world reactivity and dialogue choices have backslid in AAA RPGs since then. At the beginning of the last decade people were talking about what future tech could do for weaving in player choice, now we're all wishing for a game even half as divergent as Mass Effect 2. I think Tyranny was supposed to be like this, although I never got up the interest to actually play it past the first 15 minutes. Old game now but Alpha Protocol was really cool for the different ways your actions effected things, shame about the actual gameplay part though.
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Mar 28, 2021 16:30
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Just getting back into AA: Trials and Tribulations. I'm still on the first trial and just met Dahlia Hawthorne. She's obviously not hiding anything. Also I love that Winston Payne was a feared prosecutor.
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Mar 28, 2021 16:30
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Khanstant posted:I don't know if there will be a straight up OpenWorldMaker2000,
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Mar 28, 2021 16:32
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Just met the creepy robo girl squad. I assume these are the Beauties people have been talking about
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Mar 28, 2021 16:33
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Cardiovorax posted:Depending on how you feel about RPGMaker, it already exists. Most of these are open world games, after all. Not sure if I've ever played a complete RPGMaker game, hell, I never completed any of the ones I started. I did get far enough once, even added in cutscenes I stole from ff7 PC and there was a boss, a couple rock pushing puzzles, and all custom enemies and items and poo poo -- i shared it with my friends and the other nerds at school making rpgmakers rpgs and one of them liked it so much they ripped me off and told some other kids he made it. Anyway, what open world RPGMaker games are there?
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Mar 28, 2021 16:41
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Khanstant posted:Anyway, what open world RPGMaker games are there? There are wide number that made it to Steam. There's enough RPGMaker trash on there that I specifically had to exclude the tag from the store because it kept flooding my recommendations with the stuff. Labyronia RPG and such are open-world, I think? Not sure.
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Mar 28, 2021 16:47
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Aren't the Kemco games made in RPGMaker? Though they all ape the old SNES aesthetic. On a different note, it's nice to see that Phoenix has always been self destructive. Mia is trying to keep you from going to jail for murder dummy!
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Mar 28, 2021 17:06
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Rarity posted:Just met the creepy robo girl squad. I assume these are the Beauties people have been talking about You assume correctly. Super fun watching your reactions to these games btw
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Mar 28, 2021 17:19
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Cardiovorax posted:Well, all I can say to that is that I doubt he'd have asked any of them to get naked if they had been men. Fetish is probably the point here. I mean.....there are forced shower scenes for naked Norman Reedus in Death Stranding so no, I think he's totally cool with objectifying men too.
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Mar 28, 2021 17:36
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Rarity posted:Just met the creepy robo girl squad. I assume these are the Beauties people have been talking about xedo posted:You assume correctly. not if rarity means the frogs
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Mar 28, 2021 17:38
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Mulva posted:I mean.....there are forced shower scenes for naked Norman Reedus in Death Stranding so no, I think he's totally cool with objectifying men too. Its impossible to objectify Norman Reedus because he is the opposite of sexy
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Mar 28, 2021 17:47
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fridge corn posted:Its impossible to objectify Norman Reedus because he is the opposite of sexy Tell my mom that
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Mar 28, 2021 17:52
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Rinkles posted:not if rarity means the frogs No I mean the animal robot girls
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Mar 28, 2021 18:09
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The other thing about the Mass Effect 3 ending is that, for every single person "in the biz" who is like "gamers are so entitled" and made fun of the backlash, you know there's a dark boardroom of Kotik-like figures who said "okay you guys are never allowed to do something like this again you have to run all major story decisions through this focus group from here on out"
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Mar 28, 2021 18:27
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I always felt like too much attention was paid to ME3's ending being a mess and not the rest of the game generally being a mess, also.
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Mar 28, 2021 18:31
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Cardiovorax posted:Well, all I can say to that is that I doubt he'd have asked any of them to get naked if they had been men. Fetish is probably the point here. Wouldn't guarantee that, this IS metal gear. Everything about B&B corp is stupid though. They also get called Snakehound to make the comparison REALLY obvious but they're like, the lamest part of Foxhound/Dead Cell/Cobra taken to form a character less than the sum of their parts. Also, Drebin just randomly giving you their elaborate backstories that not even Snake gives half a poo poo about. exquisite tea posted:It is kind of a letdown how much world reactivity and dialogue choices have backslid in AAA RPGs since then. At the beginning of the last decade people were talking about what future tech could do for weaving in player choice, now we're all wishing for a game even half as divergent as Mass Effect 2. I'd miss it more if the choices in Mass Effect weren't generally incredibly dumb "Do I want to be good or bad" choices instead of "which is the choice I think makes more sense" Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Mar 28, 2021 |
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Mar 28, 2021 18:39
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I feel like the only person on earth who played Mass Effect 1 and was like "eh this is okay I guess"
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Mar 28, 2021 18:44
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Acerbatus posted:I'd miss it more if the choices in Mass Effect weren't generally incredibly dumb "Do I want to be good or bad" choices instead of "which is the choice I think makes more sense" counter point: more games need mid-dialog defenestration prompts
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Mar 28, 2021 18:50
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I feel like the only person on earth who played Mass Effect 1 and was like "eh this is okay I guess" eh not that different from my take, which was kind of bad but not unplayable/wouldn't recommend.
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Mar 28, 2021 18:51
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Even on a dead forum with like 20 people on it you could probably find at least someone who agrees with whatever your opinion is.
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Mar 28, 2021 18:59
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I feel like the only person on earth who played Mass Effect 1 and was like "eh this is okay I guess" I played Mass Effect 2 and it was fine but had no desire to play the sequel or the previosu one. RazzleDazzleHour posted:The other thing about the Mass Effect 3 ending is that, for every single person "in the biz" who is like "gamers are so entitled" and made fun of the backlash, you know there's a dark boardroom of Kotik-like figures who said "okay you guys are never allowed to do something like this again you have to run all major story decisions through this focus group from here on out" It was so weird that people tried to turn it into a culture war thing. The series had been pitched from the beginning on the gimmick that you decisions mattered and continued on through the series, and at the end the grand total of change your decisions caused was what color the explosion was. Of course people were pissed. i simply do not understand the people who were like, "actually bad things are fine and if you complain that's doing a gamergate"
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Mar 28, 2021 19:11
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Imagine if AAA studios took those swollen, bloated billion-dollar budgets and thousand-person teams and instead made a dozen mid-budget games instead that would be pretty cool, I think
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Mar 28, 2021 19:12
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cheetah7071 posted:Imagine if AAA studios took those swollen, bloated billion-dollar budgets and thousand-person teams and instead made a dozen mid-budget games instead Yes but think of how the poor stockholders will react if each release doesn't set sales records and become a decade long multimedia franchise. And that's truly the most important factor in the end.
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Mar 28, 2021 19:15
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