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howe_sam posted:Martin Sheen is pretty famously a vocal activist for social justice, so it's not really shocking that his son would take up that mantle. I got the name of his dad and his brother switched around, but there's nothing I said in there about social justice. He was part of the loving Brat Pack. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Mar 28, 2021 |
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Skwirl posted:I got the name of his dad and his brother switched around, but there's nothing I said in there about social justice. He was part of the loving Brat Pack. What does being in the brat pack have to do with him doing indie movies for years and years now? E: Looking at his IMDb, not only are his last few movie roles all indie stuff, but he's also been writing, directing, and producing indie films recently. Vince MechMahon fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Mar 28, 2021 |
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Mar 28, 2021 03:08
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Skwirl posted:I got the name of his dad and his brother switched around, but there's nothing I said in there about social justice. He was part of the loving Brat Pack. Do you seriously think the Welsh actor Michael Sheen is related to the Estevez family?
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Mar 28, 2021 03:48
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site posted:does captain america comics get retconned because that says steve gets the serum in 41, and t:rwb says bradley's platoon is experimented on in 42 The confusion for Truth, both for the writers and the readers, comes from the fact that it was not supposed to be in continuity at all but was made continuity after the fact. Officially in the Marvel Handbook it is considered the second super soldier experiment. Steve was still Cap and was fighting before Pearl Harbor. The creation of The Invaders in the Marvel Universe is a direct result of the Pearl Harbor attack. So by making Truth canon when it wasn't supposed to be they had to rework it a little bit to fit the continuity as it existed. Also in Truth they actually find a copy of the comic based on Steve's adventures at one point. I think the characters in the book kind of write it off as just being a comic but they even mention it was about a guy named Steve Rogers. Brubaker also wrote contradicting stories on whether Isaiah or Steve was first but the official Marvel canon is that Steve was first. There was a short term Cap villain in the Jurgens run that was a soldier that got the serum before Steve and died but was resurrected. But that's the only one in the books the predates Steve officially.
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Mar 28, 2021 03:51
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Booooo, oh well, way to stick the landing Marvel.
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Mar 28, 2021 04:04
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If the two Cap teams come into direct conflict (which I imagine they will with Walker being all "don't get in my way") I have to imagine that Walker, at least, gets some serum at some point. Otherwise any fight between Walker, Battlestar and our boys is gonna just be Bucky throwing them both through a building, "off the charts" stats or no.
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Mar 28, 2021 04:47
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I think clearly the pressure of not living up to Cap is going to get to Walker and he's going to go to the Power Broker to get powers.
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Rohan Kishibe posted:If the two Cap teams come into direct conflict (which I imagine they will with Walker being all "don't get in my way") I have to imagine that Walker, at least, gets some serum at some point. Otherwise any fight between Walker, Battlestar and our boys is gonna just be Bucky throwing them both through a building, "off the charts" stats or no. The Power Broker and his apparently effective supersoldier serum that the Flagsmashers stole is right there. I can't imagine he won't end up shooting up with it before too long. Probably, what, in episode four or five to set up an episode six showdown with Sam over the shield?
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Mar 28, 2021 04:56
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howe_sam posted:Do you seriously think the Welsh actor Michael Sheen is related to the Estevez family? I got his father, his brother and another unrelated actor with the same last name mixed up. a whole lot of mix ups.
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Mar 28, 2021 06:27
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emilio estevez's dad is joe estevez, you can't trick me
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Alaois posted:emilio estevez's dad is joe estevez, you can't trick me It's Ramon Estevez actually
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Rohan Kishibe posted:If the two Cap teams come into direct conflict (which I imagine they will with Walker being all "don't get in my way") I have to imagine that Walker, at least, gets some serum at some point. Otherwise any fight between Walker, Battlestar and our boys is gonna just be Bucky throwing them both through a building, "off the charts" stats or no. Given that they both seem pretty equally effective against the Flag Smashers, I don't know that Bucky's exactly a given win.
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TwoPair posted:Given that they both seem pretty equally effective against the Flag Smashers, I don't know that Bucky's exactly a given win. I mean, in any sort of conflict like this the winner is "whoever we need to win in order to serve the narrative" But yeah, Walker is gonna get juiced at some point and my own personal prediction is he will turn into Nuke and he will die. Nuke I'm like 60% on, John Walker not surviving episode 6 I'm 90% on.
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Skwirl posted:I mean, in any sort of conflict like this the winner is "whoever we need to win in order to serve the narrative" I'm personally 100% on him living, I'm just about 60% on him staying around as U.S.Agent, 20 on Nuke, and 20 on him just leaving all together never to be seen again.
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TwoPair posted:I'm personally 100% on him living, I'm just about 60% on him staying around as U.S.Agent, 20 on Nuke, and 20 on him just leaving all together never to be seen again. Nah, he dead.
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TwoPair posted:I'm personally 100% on him living, I'm just about 60% on him staying around as U.S.Agent, 20 on Nuke, and 20 on him just leaving all together never to be seen again. 
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Mar 28, 2021 09:01
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Why turn him into another character? John Walker doesn't need to become Nuke. He's a good character as is.
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Mar 28, 2021 09:12
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Codependent Poster posted:Why turn him into another character? John Walker doesn't need to become Nuke. He's a good character as is. If you kill Walker, you can't have him in a possible Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts scenario that's the logical next step for Zemo presuming he gets out of F&WS alive.
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Mar 28, 2021 09:15
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Yeah that's a major leap to take.
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jng2058 posted:If you kill Walker, you can't have him in a possible Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts scenario that's the logical next step for Zemo presuming he gets out of F&WS alive. Why not keep him alive but as the character he already is, USAgent? You can even still put him on the dark avengers team if that happens. Other than "they are both blonde military guys who are Captain America analogues" the two characters aren't that similar and we already have a Nuke.
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They'd actually make a great team. Walker could take the lead and Nuke could keep an eye on anything happening behind them.
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Yeah, Walker already has a long established alter ego beyond Captain America. I don't remotely understand why people want to see him become Nuke.
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I forget, is the Netflix stuff still considered cannon? Do we even know? If so, Nuke is hella dead
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omg chael crash posted:I forget, is the Netflix stuff still considered cannon? Do we even know? We don't know. There's a rumor that Charlie Cox will be in the next Spider-Man movie but even with that it isn't clear if he'll have the same continuity.
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There've been enough small crossover bits -- Peggy Carter appearing in Agents of SHIELD, Jarvis in Endgame -- that the TV properties are technically "canon" as far as...hell, I don't know what you'd call it...the narrative? The diegesis? Goes? Unfortunately, "the diegesis" amounts to jack on an executive level. If the film division (which includes the new TV division now) wants to ignore something from before, it will. That being said, I think it's way more likely that Feige will add in those olds elements at some point, in lieu of negating them. They're entirely aware that the Netflix stuff has its own base and have been pretty careful about completely alienating them. The only property that we can be pretty certain will never ever get referenced again is probably Inhumans.
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omg chael crash posted:I forget, is the Netflix stuff still considered cannon? Do we even know? They happened up until the point they decide to contradict something.
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I think we'll get Inhumans eventually, but I doubt it'll be as their own flagship property. I'm guessing we'll see them pop up in cosmic stuff at some point as the backdrop for other stuff, or as incidental characters. I would be surprised of they bother with all the Terrigen Mist/Terrigenesis stuff, though. That always struck me as a weird and fiddly amount of extra steps to explain why these aliens have superpowers, so it'll either not be mentioned or it'll be ignored completely in favor of them just being moon aliens with moon powers cause gently caress you, why wouldn't they
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Doctor Doom/Inhumans/Galactus as the Fantastic Four trilogy of movies would be pretty great.
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BrianWilly posted:There've been enough small crossover bits -- Peggy Carter appearing in Agents of SHIELD, Jarvis in Endgame Both of these are characters that appeared in Agent Carter, which is the only one of the tv shows Kevin Feige was a producer on. Well of the old crop. Carter was also in the films first, so the only real crossover is Jarvis. That's it, in the 8 years since they started making tv shows vaguely set in Marvel world one character has meaningfully crossed over, for like a single 20 second bit. So they could use the older tv bits.....but I doubt they will. This new crop with the movie actors is a bit of a different beast.
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neither of those were netflix shows either i didn't know feige was involved with peggy carter though, that's interesting
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Dr. List was in AoS and AoU but I can’t remember which one he was in first
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SlimGoodbody posted:I think we'll get Inhumans eventually, but I doubt it'll be as their own flagship property. I'm guessing we'll see them pop up in cosmic stuff at some point as the backdrop for other stuff, or as incidental characters. I would be surprised of they bother with all the Terrigen Mist/Terrigenesis stuff, though. That always struck me as a weird and fiddly amount of extra steps to explain why these aliens have superpowers, so it'll either not be mentioned or it'll be ignored completely in favor of them just being moon aliens with moon powers cause gently caress you, why wouldn't they It'd be funny if somehow Ms. Marvel becomes a backdoor for Inhumans rather than the other logical way.
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TwoPair posted:It'd be funny if somehow Ms. Marvel becomes a backdoor for Inhumans rather than the other logical way. The Inhumans show will be referenced in Ms. Marvel as a terrible in-universe TV show
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I'm kind of surprised anyone is still holding out hope that they'll integrate the Netflix stuff into the MCU propper, it seems pretty clear to me they're just waiting for us all to forget about it all before they move forward. I liked the shows and all but, outside of maybe Punisher, Marvel Studios could do better in recasting and reusing those characters. The Heroes for Hire crew are some of my favorites, I'd rather they not be saddled with TV actors/writing/etc if there's a chance they could make the jump to the movies. Like Mike Colter is fine but Terry Crews would be ideal to me and there could be someone even better out there that I haven't thought of, MCU has had some inspired curve balls.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I'm kind of surprised anyone is still holding out hope that they'll integrate the Netflix stuff into the MCU propper, it seems pretty clear to me they're just waiting for us all to forget about it all before they move forward. I liked the shows and all but, outside of maybe Punisher, Marvel Studios could do better in recasting and reusing those characters. The Heroes for Hire crew are some of my favorites, I'd rather they not be saddled with TV actors/writing/etc if there's a chance they could make the jump to the movies. They better not have a Kingpin played by anyone other than Vincent D'Onofrio.
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Again, y'all are understating the fanbase for these shows, one that Marvel is absolutely aware of. Not every single casting choice was a slam dunk but Daredevil, for instance, is one of their bigger names and Charlie Cox was absolutely acclaimed in the role by viewers and critics. They gain absolutely nothing by recasting these characters and a lot of goodwill by bringing them back. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when it will happen.
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BrianWilly posted:Again, y'all are understating the fanbase for these shows, one that Marvel is absolutely aware of. Not every single casting choice was a slam dunk but Daredevil, for instance, is one of their bigger names and Charlie Cox was absolutely acclaimed in the role by viewers and critics. I would love for Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter or Mike Colter to come back, but could probably get over it if they were recast, because it's not like Marvel Films has flubbed casting a single protagonist. Kingpin getting recast would feel like a slap in the face.
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The Defenders do feel like characters you should just fold in. With the possible exception of Iron Fist there was positive reception to all of them and nothing bad did irrevocable harm. Could you cast a better Luke Cage or Daredevil? Yeah, maybe. Is it worth the hassle? I dunno. The Inhumans are the real question for me because like Agents of SHIELD basically had a ton of them in a way similar to mutants and the Royal Family are kinda sorta important and that show was real bad. So I dunno what you do there. I'd love it if Chloe Bennett showed up in Ms Marvel and they just said "oh yeah, inhumans and terrigan mist has been happening and here's one more". But I'm not holding my breath.
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Skwirl posted:They better not have a Kingpin played by anyone other than Vincent D'Onofrio. Ok yeah I'd put him over Bernthal, but Charlie Cox was only fine to me. I honestly don't understand the continuing hype.
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STAC Goat posted:The Defenders do feel like characters you should just fold in. With the possible exception of Iron Fist there was positive reception to all of them and nothing bad did irrevocable harm. Could you cast a better Luke Cage or Daredevil? Yeah, maybe. Is it worth the hassle? I dunno. She's too busy playing a Powerpuff Adult right now.
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