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Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


It's not like "society is a con job by the rich to exploit you so there shouldn't be rich people" is a very difficult message to convey

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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Hatebag posted:

It's not like "society is a con job by the rich to exploit you so there shouldn't be rich people" is a very difficult message to convey

also, it's not like trump came to power through a rigorous academic summation of his policy planks (lol) that was handed out via leaflets to voters. his one weird trick to winning was being funny.

of course, this theory doesn't explain why biden came to power, unless it's just a tragedy becoming farce thing.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

reading theory is for squares
shitposting is praxis

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Hatebag posted:

It's not like "society is a con job by the rich to exploit you so there shouldn't be rich people" is a very difficult message to convey

*gestures to everything crumbling around us while a privileged few are able to live in isolated paradises built by our sweat, blood, and tears*

"hmm idk i'm not convinced do you have anything from the 1800s I could read to make it clearer?"

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Nichael posted:

no, it means people, especially poor people, are busy. they aren't dumb, they're just occupied with the hellscape of life. if they want to read stuff, that's great. but that shouldn't be the main focus in building a coalition, and it definitely shouldn't be the primary way you educate people or engender them to you.

well then maybe say that instead of yelling about how the poors just don't wanna read. you have literally millions of people in the poorest countries in the world who read theory, and they likely do it precisely because it provides actual and clear answers to the causes of their problems without having to rely on the knowledge and eloquence (or possible lack thereof) of some interlocutor

Hatebag posted:

It's not like "society is a con job by the rich to exploit you so there shouldn't be rich people" is a very difficult message to convey

except if you do it wrong you end up with succ poo poo instead of actual solutions

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Phone posted:

how about you gently caress off


Excelzior posted:

what the gently caress is wrong with you today

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

loquacius posted:

shoe is good though

thoughtslime on youtube seems like a pretty good dude although IDK if he's breadtube

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Nichael posted:

also, it's not like trump came to power through a rigorous academic summation of his policy planks (lol) that was handed out via leaflets to voters. his one weird trick to winning was being funny.

of course, this theory doesn't explain why biden came to power, unless it's just a tragedy becoming farce thing.

Trump sitting up late at night, poring over his volumes of hitler books: "Barney Frank looked disgusting–nipples protruding–in his blue shirt before Congress. Very very disrespectful."

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Cerebral Bore posted:

well then maybe say that instead of yelling about how the poors just don't wanna read. you have literally millions of people in the poorest countries in the world who read theory, and they likely do it precisely because it provides actual and clear answers to the causes of their problems without having to rely on the knowledge and eloquence (or possible lack thereof) of some interlocutor


except if you do it wrong you end up with succ poo poo instead of actual solutions

it's c-spam, it's 10:52 am, and I'm shitposting to avoid facing reality. I'm sorry I didn't meet your academic standards, and I will strive to do better.

as far as solutions, take money from rich, give it to everyone else. bing bing bong bong so simple

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Hatebag posted:

Telling someone to read is a stupid deflection because if you know what the gently caress you're talking about you should be able to explain it without an appeal to authority

It’s part of why I can’t stand the Rev Left podcast: so much of it is Breht going on about how easy to read theory is and how you just have to plop a worker down in front of a book and they’ll instantly start speed reading through it. That worker’s actual reaction would be the proper response to Breht in any context: shut up nerd.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Cerebral Bore posted:

well then maybe say that instead of yelling about how the poors just don't wanna read. you have literally millions of people in the poorest countries in the world who read theory, and they likely do it precisely because it provides actual and clear answers to the causes of their problems without having to rely on the knowledge and eloquence (or possible lack thereof) of some interlocutor


except if you do it wrong you end up with succ poo poo instead of actual solutions

hey if you wanna be a d&d type scold, go point out where nichael said "the poors don't wanna read"

better yet, point out where nichael said "the poors", and i specifically mean the phrasing "the poors"

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
hell, anybody can go yell about how society sucks. shitlibs and nazis also regularly go out and yell about how society sucks and look where that's led us

it's some seriously counterproductive bullshit to hope that everybody reinvents the wheel and does it right just because you think cracking open a goddamn book is too much to ask

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

luv 2 have the D&D come from inside the CSPAM

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Cerebral Bore posted:


except if you do it wrong you end up with succ poo poo instead of actual solutions

You don't end up with succ if you follow this simple acronym
KISS - keep it socialist, sweety

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Hatebag posted:

Trump sitting up late at night, poring over his volumes of hitler books: "Barney Frank looked disgusting–nipples protruding–in his blue shirt before Congress. Very very disrespectful."

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


hey idk what you all are postin about but

Nichael posted:

Dave's Killer Bread uses a really succ lib narrative in its marketing, but that's okay because the bread tastes good.

i can't stop buying his delicious bagels

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

I too have a broken ADHD brain that has made straight reading a book cover to cover extremely difficult as I've aged. One work around is letting go of the idea of doing things in order and just reading random chunks of a book and stitching it together. Its... not a great way to read, but it is *a* way to read, and that beats staring at a book and not being able to pick it up for months.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Hatebag posted:

Telling someone to read is a stupid deflection because if you know what the gently caress you're talking about you should be able to explain it without an appeal to authority

"read theory" is just the leftist version of "It's not my job to educate you"

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Cerebral Bore posted:

hell, anybody can go yell about how society sucks. shitlibs and nazis also regularly go out and yell about how society sucks and look where that's led us

it's some seriously counterproductive bullshit to hope that everybody reinvents the wheel and does it right just because you think cracking open a goddamn book is too much to ask

okay well please publish your official theory reading list so we can all get to work on getting everybody to read the right books before we talk to them about capitalism thanks

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


World War Mammories posted:

hey idk what you all are postin about but


i can't stop buying his delicious bagels
I try to ignore the lame marketing story, otherwise I'll get nauseated.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

okay well please publish your official theory reading list so we can all get to work on getting everybody to read the right books before we talk to them about capitalism thanks

Harry Potter and a little book called... you guessed it... The Bible :smug:

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

I like when people post excerpts from books because I enjoy reading, just not enough to read a whole book anymore.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

alarumklok posted:

I like when people post excerpts from books because I enjoy reading, just not enough to read a whole book anymore.

:same:

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Nichael posted:

I try to ignore the lame marketing story, otherwise I'll get nauseated.

nichael is not happy with dave - that's okay, we'll still keep eating that garbage

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

spacemang_spliff posted:

"read theory" is just the leftist version of "It's not my job to educate you"

:haibrow:

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

gonna need you to read the honda civic owner's manual before we can talk trim. sorry, just a salesperson here i dont make the rules

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


I have a much easier time comprehending long form stuff if it's audio. I think a lot of people have that same issue, but audio books are pretty expensive, and as far as I know, people without much money tend to not have much disposable income to buy things. But I'll have to get back to you all with the scholarly articles to back up this assertion.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
my parents were killed by a falling bookshelf so demanding that I crack open a book is violence

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Rectal Death Adept posted:

my parents were killed by a falling bookshelf so demanding that I crack open a book is violence

Virgil was almost killed that way, in his mad, Ahab-esque quest to learn who the gently caress Lev Parnas is.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Hatebag posted:

You don't end up with succ if you follow this simple acronym
KISS - keep it socialist, sweety

seems p hard to me if you're someone who's categorically opposed to ever reading about the thing you want to educate others about

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
Ya know, you're right about the bosses loving us over on our overtime. Lemme send you this video about how the only people that benefit-"EXCUSE ME, are you saying that I can't read?"

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
broke: demanding sources and citations for every word someone speaks to smother them in an infinite slapfight
woke: demanding pre-requisite source materials before allowing people to even speak in the first place

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


are we sure biden is bad? I haven't seen any fact checked sources that indicate this.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

hold on let me check what the King of Communism wrote on this

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Marx never mentioned Joe Biden so are we sure he exists

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Nichael posted:

Marx never mentioned Joe Biden so are we sure he exists

Please cite your sources that Marx never mentioned Biden

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Nichael posted:

Marx never mentioned Joe Biden so are we sure he exists

You have to read Hegel first to absorb the ideological underpinnings necessary for Biden's existence.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I used to be a nerdy bookworm growing up (too bad I spent it reading techno-thrillers, the Star Wars Expanded Universe, and Harry Potter?) but the internet has definitely hosed-up my ability to read long-form and I had to re-teach myself.

What I found works for me is to just set specific daily goals for myself: one chapter in a day, or 20 pages in a day, or 5% of the book (per the e-reader) in a day, whatever. And then I can put the book down and go on with the rest of whatever else it is I want to do, knowing I've accomplished something.

Also, last year I happened across some random twitter comment of some dude with a globe emoji in bio bragging about how he read a dozen books in 2019 and I blew my top because what the gently caress dude you're bragging about reading a dozen books? So now I'm on a mission to overtake this nobody's record out of sheer spite. I'm up to 10 since the start of the year.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Rectal Death Adept posted:

broke: demanding sources and citations for every word someone speaks to smother them in an infinite slapfight
woke: demanding pre-requisite source materials before allowing people to even speak in the first place

it's not my job to educate you :c00l:

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World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


if biden did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him

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