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Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Cerebral Bore posted:

how are you supposed to read "anyone who tells someone to read about leftist needs to go gently caress themselves or go talk to some poor people in real life" is a charitable way, exactly? reads like a p categorical blanket condemnation to me.

Nichael posted:

that person who said laughably said Fred Hampton was "privileged" was clearly wrong, but their initial point they were making was that "reading theory" is typically a very privileged thing, that most can't do. historic.ly, in that twitter thread, replies with basically "well have you considered reading more theory???"

anyone who tells someone to read about leftist needs to go gently caress themselves or go talk to some poor people in real life. you can get your point across about class consciousness much more efficiently with just a casual and passionate conversation.

In the context of this post, if you think that "anyone" refers to literally anyone ever in the history of the world, you're ignoring everything else other than that sentence.

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Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Now that i think about it, a baguette is more of a bread cylinder. A stromboli is a bread tube, albeit stuffed

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/dannyhellman/status/1376225597798682627

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

To be honest if you can't explain answers to specific questions in layman's terms without telling someone to go become an expert on their own time by reading, you probably don't understand the theory yourself and should shut the gently caress up about it.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

tbh its a bit of a stretch to call the communist manifesto "theory"

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

The Oldest Man posted:

To be honest if you can't explain answers to specific questions in layman's terms without telling someone to go become an expert on their own time by reading, you probably don't understand the theory yourself and should shut the gently caress up about it.

The general public doesn't even get tax brackets, so this follows

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

The Oldest Man posted:

To be honest if you can't explain answers to specific questions in layman's terms without telling someone to go become an expert on their own time by reading, you probably don't understand the theory yourself and should shut the gently caress up about it.

That's not how social media works tho

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

tbh its a bit of a stretch to call the communist manifesto "theory"

I'd call it answers to common questions in layman's terms

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

FormaldehydeSon posted:

Wow this thread sure loves talking about breadtube literally all the time

I love bread, it's my favorite of the grains

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

2020: you can't see the conditions we hold the illegal aliens in because they're not US citizens and our rights aren't applicable to them, you Pinko! cry about it, lib.
2021: you can't see the conditions we hold the DISPLACED MIGRANTS in because IT WOULD VIOLATE THEIR DIGNITY, you FASCIST! Have a heart!

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


like regardless of whether someone is rich or poor, white collar or blue collar, i'm pretty sure we can all agree that we don't want randos assigning us fuckin homework

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Raiad posted:

like regardless of whether someone is rich or poor, white collar or blue collar, i'm pretty sure we can all agree that we don't want randos assigning us fuckin homework

yeah but get a load of this transphobic weirdo, surely you'll do his homework

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Raiad posted:

like regardless of whether someone is rich or poor, white collar or blue collar, i'm pretty sure we can all agree that we don't want randos assigning us fuckin homework

I think you are like 99% correct, but to Cerebral Bore's point

Cerebral Bore posted:

i don't think these people exist outside the dumber parts of twitter

The "it's not my job to educate people" do want homework. They crave it, they want teacher to tell them they're good so badly.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Nichael posted:

I think the appeal of Breadtube is the same as a shallow appeal in any community or fandom or whatever. It's a parasocial relationship because people largely do not have friends, and have been driven into depths of terrible loneliness due to capitalism. I don't know that it actually matters what Breadtube is peddling or not, and having the correct facts on leftism isn't going to pull someone out of the Breadtube hole if you aren't also going to be their friend.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't watch a few of these channels occasionally on YouTube (before they all simped for Biden) because I liked thr occasional topic they talked about. I don't think the individual BreadTuber might not be important but I think all of them making "left arguments for Biden" I think had some effect

misadventurous
Jun 26, 2013

the wise gem bowed her head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad quartzes. you imbecile. you fucking moron"

Cerebral Bore posted:

yea i guess i must have imagined the past few pages then

but no seriously, the whole "you don't have to read theory" attitude is bad and will lead to bad poo poo down the line. it's not enough to just say that the system sucks to build class consciousness because it doesn't inherently give you the right tools to see things for what they really are and could just as easily lead to people falling into reaction. and relying on some interlocutor class is even worse, because guess who's gonna get coopted by capital first?

and it's clearly an attitude that people hold or you wouldn't see people getting extremely mad at me for saying that the idea that you can't effectively educate poor people by way of writing is classist and bad

you’re not wrong but also no one is disagreeing with you on this lol

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

If you want to start a conversation about socialism I think a good way to do it is this:

Step 1. Imagine some HENRY piece of poo poo making $500k at Walmart or JPMC or whatever by cutting wages for everyone else, driving a Porsche, flying first class, and using his good ol boys network to never suffer any accountability and also ensure his kids never end up worse off than him. gently caress this guy, right?
Step 2. Now imagine someone making the same amount without actually doing any work at all, paying no taxes on it, and constantly getting blown by politicians as a job creator.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

I think you are like 99% correct, but to Cerebral Bore's point

The "it's not my job to educate people" do want homework. They crave it, they want teacher to tell them they're good so badly.

i'm sure that those people also exist somewhere, but at least for me and i guess for most socialists who stress the importance of reading theory it isn't about assigning homework, it's about helping people educate themselves and suggesting productive avenues to do so

because it's called socialist education for a reason, this poo poo ain't trivial


in any case, i think we've reached dumb slapfight level a while ago already and i guess it's at least partially my fault so i'd like to apologize to anyone who i have been a dick towards

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

If only there were a way to condense theory into an easily readable package, like a small booklet or a leaflet of some kind

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
turns out trump wasn't putting familes and kids in cages at all. The camps were all to process and provide therapy and help to all the sex slave children he was saving. Obviously he couldn't let any media in to the facilities or it'd blow his cover. Now biden has converted these places of healing into adrenochrome farms.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

FormaldehydeSon posted:

Wow this thread sure loves talking about breadtube literally all the time

well it's the succ thread and they post succ

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Hatebag posted:

Now that i think about it, a baguette is more of a bread cylinder. A stromboli is a bread tube, albeit stuffed

what is a tube if not a hollow cylinder

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

The Oldest Man posted:

I'd call it answers to common questions in layman's terms

It's actually science, comrade. Social science is totally a hard science.:colbert:

It's not.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

they should call the pseudoleftist vlogger webring "redtube"

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

When do the Q nuts start going after the camps?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

my bony fealty posted:

they should call the pseudoleftist vlogger webring "redtube"

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

If you don't at least know your circle of fifths, you should really stfu about theory

Pepperoneedy
Apr 27, 2007

Rockin' it



Nothus posted:

When do the Q nuts start going after the camps?

They won't because the children aren't white

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

Lib and let die posted:

If you don't at least know your circle of fifths, you should really stfu about theory

The circle of fifths of whisky maybe

How Darwinian
Feb 27, 2011

Recognize the voice on the other side of the camera?

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1376183991162834948

gently caress absolutely everybody involved with this...

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

lol

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Lib and let die posted:

If you don't at least know your circle of fifths, you should really stfu about theory

you also need to know what 7th chord goes with each scale degree

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

How Darwinian posted:

Recognize the voice on the other side of the camera?

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1376183991162834948

gently caress absolutely everybody involved with this...

???? what is it james okeefe or something

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

FormaldehydeSon posted:

Wow this thread sure loves talking about breadtube literally all the time

I will never investigate to find out what breadtube is. Sounds like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgzACnYsV8U

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

How Darwinian posted:

Recognize the voice on the other side of the camera?

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1376183991162834948

gently caress absolutely everybody involved with this...

Ted Cruz didn't seem to have an issue with it when it was Trump running the camps and wouldn't if Trump had won. He's completely indistinguishable from a KHive lib.

I want to smack the poo poo out of the next person who finds some small aesthetic difference between the 2 parties and glibly and sarcastically says "oh look both the parties are exaclty the same huh lefty :smug:"

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Phone posted:

???? what is it james okeefe or something

it's Ted Cruz

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

~I hate every OP I see, from CIA to AOC~

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

remember at the debate when trump asked "who built the camps joe, who built the camps"

thats a lol

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

oh wow thats a blood boiler innit

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

2020: you can't see the conditions we hold the illegal aliens in because they're not US citizens and our rights aren't applicable to them, you Pinko! cry about it, lib.
2021: you can't see the conditions we hold the DISPLACED MIGRANTS in because IT WOULD VIOLATE THEIR DIGNITY, you FASCIST! Have a heart!

absolutely this

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KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

How Darwinian posted:

Recognize the voice on the other side of the camera?

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1376183991162834948

gently caress absolutely everybody involved with this...

I didn't think it was possible to find someone more repellant than Ted Cruz but this woman saying give these people dignity and respect while they'r all huddled in ruins close together with mylar blankets sleeping with full lights on is absolutely more repellant than whatever is under Ted Cruz's human suit

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