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PawParole posted:we have a pre-napoleon and post-napoleon thread. Napoleon has been #cancelled for a problematic age gap with his second wife
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 13:22 |
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PawParole posted:we have a pre-napoleon and post-napoleon thread. the other thread not that anyone would be jumping down your throat either way
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 15:49 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:
This works very differently if you read it right to left
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 16:08 |
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twoday posted:This works very accurately if you read it right to left
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 16:10 |
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Ardennes posted:By September 1945, the Soviets had propeller aircraft that could intercept American bombers (mostly B-29s), but it does also show what the US was planning even very early on. Yeah, pretty telling that literally one month after dropping the first atomic bombs the emerging doctrine is "yeah let's just use these to immediately and with no warning completely annihilate the populations of anyone that dares cross us, including the people who until yesterday were our biggest allies" 3 years from this: to "better stock up on 466 nuclear bombs so that we can exterminate every Russian on the planet just in case"
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 16:15 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:just planning a genocidal bombing campaign for funsies, as you do yes, this is an accurate description of modern professional militaries with people whose full-time job is literally just to plan for potential wars with other countries. militarism sucks like that and there was absolutely no possible way the US was gonna beat the Red Army in any conflict, offensive or defensive, without going all-in on nukes now, if the UK had nukes in 1945, that would have been real bad. basically as soon as Hitler shot himself, that paranoid maniac Churchill was demanding British war planners come up with a plan for a joint US/UK/German/Polish invasion of Soviet Europe to, and this is a direct quote, "impose upon Russia the will of the United States and British Empire". just to dispel any thoughts that it was a standard just-in-case plan to keep the war planners busy now that their role in the war was essentially over, he had the report titled "Russia, Threat to Western Civilization" British war planners spent the entire report openly trying to convince that maniac that there was absolutely no way in hell anyone was winning a conventional land war against the Red Army in 1945
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 17:08 |
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Thankfully for all involved, Churchill was no longer in office by the time WW2 actually ended.
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 17:19 |
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can any brits speak to the liveliness of the churchill cult of personality in england im curious if its as intense there as it is here or if people are just wtf no gently caress that guy the same way there tends to be a gap in terms of how thatcher is perceived
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 17:25 |
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looking forward to hearing from brits (wow, first time for everything) but i'd wager it's politicized exactly the same way everything else is
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 17:28 |
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Some Guy TT posted:can any brits speak to the liveliness of the churchill cult of personality in england im curious if its as intense there as it is here or if people are just wtf no gently caress that guy the same way there tends to be a gap in terms of how thatcher is perceived Not a Brit but it's just as much of a cult. There was a recent article on it by an academic talking about how intense the backlash is if you try and talk about Churchill's horrible racism and genocides. quote:Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill? Basically people are really bad at acknowledging that people can do both good and bad things. Churchill can only be either a hero or a villain, and so if you point out the villainous things he did then clearly you're saying he could never be a national hero for other things he did--and vice versa, if you say he was a national hero then you can't acknowledge his extraordinary villainy because that would undermine his supposed heroism.
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vyelkin posted:Not a Brit but it's just as much of a cult. There was a recent article on it by an academic talking about how intense the backlash is if you try and talk about Churchill's horrible racism and genocides. His hatred towards South Asians (and Boers) was intense and well documented, but he did do some good things and people have got to realise their heroes can be tarnished. Early socialist writing is full of antisemitism. Bakunin especially.
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# ? Mar 27, 2021 19:37 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/birthmarxist/status/1375958294557302786
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# ? Mar 28, 2021 07:00 |
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Churchill sucks big time, but in terms of "Dudes rock" energy, he was up there
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# ? Mar 28, 2021 07:31 |
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https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel/status/1376198377549991941 https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel/status/1376198385162727424
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# ? Mar 29, 2021 13:36 |
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"Göring loved coke"
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frankenfreak posted:"Göring loved coke" hes not wrong
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# ? Mar 29, 2021 16:13 |
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What movies did Hitler like? Gone with the wind is really american movie and I don't think you can enjoy if you don't have pretty good knowledge of American history.
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Fish of hemp posted:What movies did Hitler like? Gone with the wind is really american movie and I don't think you can enjoy if you don't have pretty good knowledge of American history. i think you could say the nazis were a fan of american history
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Some Guy TT posted:can any brits speak to the liveliness of the churchill cult of personality in england im curious if its as intense there as it is here or if people are just wtf no gently caress that guy the same way there tends to be a gap in terms of how thatcher is perceived exmachina posted:His hatred towards South Asians (and Boers) was intense and well documented, but he did do some good things and people have got to realise their heroes can be tarnished. Early socialist writing is full of antisemitism. Bakunin especially.
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Fish of hemp posted:What movies did Hitler like? Gone with the wind is really american movie and I don't think you can enjoy if you don't have pretty good knowledge of American history. He really liked Snow White apparently and allegedly would doodle the dwarves during the war
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# ? Mar 29, 2021 21:15 |
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It was more than a "few bad things." The Dardanelles was largely his screw up and it was bad enough it may have actively prolonged the war. He also pushed the landings in Italy in 1943 which went nowhere and used up a bunch of Western strength that could have been used elsewhere. He pushed for the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds earlier in life. But the worst of all has to be largely ignoring the Bengal famine, a situation that could have quickly been resolved. (It didn't help that he had also pushed against dominion status for India during the 1930s.) I mean, he kept the British fighting, but you don't really have to accept hagiography about him. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:47 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Fish of hemp posted:What movies did Hitler like? Gone with the wind is really american movie and I don't think you can enjoy if you don't have pretty good knowledge of American history. In addition to loving Disney movies, Hitler was a massive fan of western cowboy novels. His favorite were the Old Shatterhand and Winnetou books by Karl May (which, given that May is one of the most popular authors in Germany even today, isn't too surprising. Einstein was also a big fan). The books are, uh... quote:Old Shatterhand is the alter ego of Karl May, and May himself maintained that he experienced all the adventures in person, even though in fact he did not visit America until after he wrote most of his well-known Western stories, and never traveled west of Buffalo, NY. Most of the stories are written from a first person perspective, and Winnetou often calls Old Shatterhand my brother Scharli ('Scharli' being a German phonetic approximation of 'Charlie', and ultimately meaning Karl in German). May also wrote stories about the same character traveling the Orient, where he is known as Kara Ben Nemsi. quote:Adolf Hitler was an admirer, who noted in Mein Kampf that the novels "overwhelmed" him as a boy, going as far as to ensure "a noticeable decline" in his school grades. According to an anonymous friend, Hitler attended the lecture given by May in Vienna in March 1912 and was enthusiastic about the event. Ironically, the lecture was an appeal for peace, also heard by Nobel Peace Prize laureate Bertha von Suttner. Claus Roxin doubts the anonymous description, because Hitler had said much about May, but not that he had seen him. Hitler defended May against critics in the men's hostel where he lived in Vienna, as the evidence of May's earlier time in jail had come to light; although it was true, Hitler confessed that May had never visited the sites of his American adventure stories. This made him a greater writer in Hitler's view since it showed the author's powers of imagination. May died suddenly only ten days after the lecture, leaving the young Hitler deeply upset.
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Ardennes posted:It was more than a "few bad things." The Dardanelles was largely his screwed and was bad enough it may have actively prolonged the war. He also pushed the landings in Italy in 1943 which went nowhere and used up a bunch of Western strength that could have been used elsewhere. He pushed for the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds earlier in life. He also started and fueled a civil war in Greece during WWII when it looked like the communists was about to get power.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Literally every white Brit over 60 believes they personally fought in WW2 under the benevolent leadership of Churchill, Greatest Briton of All Time. Yeah but Churchill had power and had to make decisions, Bakunin didn't. Early Soviet leadership caused famines that are considered genocidal by certain groups, too. I am not trying to absolve Churchill by any means.
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# ? Mar 29, 2021 22:55 |
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PawParole posted:we have a pre-napoleon and post-napoleon thread. New Jersey https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1356014437342339074?s=20
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Alhazred posted:He also started and fueled a civil war in Greece during WWII when it looked like the communists was about to get power. He also encouraged Greece to attack Turkey in like 1920 in order to partition it between France, the UK and Greece (he also offered Italy a piece too, although they found out that they had been offered the same piece as Greece so they turned it down).
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Cerebral Bore posted:hes not wrong Göring was in good company with his soft drink preference. Georgy Zhukov was a fan of Coca‐Cola, but so as not to be seen indulging in a symbol of American imperialism, it was bottled for him specially, in clear bottles with no food coloring, so that he would appear to be drinking vodka.
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exmachina posted:Yeah but Churchill had power and had to make decisions, Bakunin didn't. Early Soviet leadership caused famines that are considered genocidal by certain groups, too. Maybe you're not trying to absolve him, but this is definitely a classic example of Whataboutism.
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# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:02 |
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yeah we have an entire special word that sounds like holocaust to describe soviet era famines and you get called a genocide denier when you point out the main people pushing that angle are literal nazis and have been for several decades to the point most people have at least heard the term holomodor even if theyre not sure exactly what it was by contrast i hadnt even heard about imperial britains planned famines until that victorian genocides book came out a few years ago and i doubt anyone else had either
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https://mobile.twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1376515706271895560
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kpfw_i/status/1376514003195682820
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the best thing about old Joey Napoleon is that he claimed to have spotted the Jersey Devil
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twoday posted:the best thing about old Joey Napoleon is that he claimed to have spotted the Jersey Devil take down you're portrait
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Chicago_History/status/1376938145174917122
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# ? Mar 31, 2021 00:42 |
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so Ive been reading about the battle of shanghai and chiang kai-shek does not seem like the leader china needed at that moment in history
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whoops didn't read down
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the slap fighting between hastings and the sleepwalkers guy is hilarious to read Never saw this, but I really did enjoy Sleepwalkers. The guy did an absolute bucketload of research across a whole bunch of different languages which is pretty drat impressive. A Buttery Pastry posted:Literally every white Brit over 60 believes they personally fought in WW2 under the benevolent leadership of Churchill, Greatest Briton of All Time. To be fair every nation has their myths like this. For a long time every French person of a certain age would claim they were part of the Resistance. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 01:07 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Dreylad posted:Never saw this, but I really did enjoy Sleepwalkers. The guy did an absolute bucketload of research across a whole bunch of different languages which is pretty drat impressive. its in catastrophe: 1914. he spends the entire book subtweeting sleepwalkers while blaming everything on germany
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CAMcGrady/status/1378098984632393728
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Anybody have any good readings on Portuguese Decolonization (i.e Cabral, Angola and Mozambique bush wars, and the Carnation revolution)
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