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Lol at the assumption the terrorists never thought to use ships to block a canal that is not only in their own backyard, but had once been blocked enough that it required a concerted multi-national effort to clear. Yep, surely they've never considered doing that until an accident gave them the idea.
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At the end of the day all you’d do it cause a two week shipping delay and the entity with the greatest direct impact would be the canal authority itself. Seems a lot of effort and a weak impact.
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Mar 30, 2021 18:17
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Tiocfaidh Yar Ma posted:I'm not an expert but it seems like the first part of your post is kinda like saying 'they'd never be able to crash a plane into a building cos they'd have to build an airplane first' . The terrorist threat to the canal is nothing new; there’s a big physical presence plus the eyes of all the big intelligence agencies. It’s not a soft target.
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Mar 30, 2021 18:36
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I don't know how software-controlled the big boats are, but if they are to any significant degree, that presents a big attack surface that's hard to monitor.
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Mar 30, 2021 18:41
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FCKGW posted:At the end of the day all you’d do it cause a two week shipping delay and the entity with the greatest direct impact would be the canal authority itself. Yeah the impact of this incident seems to have been minor. No one in the US is going to freak out like they did for 9/11 if a dozen foreign sailors die and the canal is blocked for a while. Now take your hijacked ship and crash it into a Carnival Cruise in the Caribbean (once they start again) and see what happens.
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Mar 30, 2021 18:54
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ultrafilter posted:I don't know how software-controlled the big boats are, but if they are to any significant degree, that presents a big attack surface that's hard to monitor. All of it is done with software. Like, literally all of it. And this is actually one of the front line security problems, especially when the only Internet connection via satellite is shared between the crew who watches porn and keeps opening email attachments, and the system which steers the ship and manages all of the subsystems. Near the shore you can set up a fully separated system for the crew, but otherwise its shared network running through the same hardware.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:03
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Thomamelas posted:Smaller ships would be much easier but they are also easier to get out of there. You'd really want a bunch of ships to really do this right. It would get headlines but I'm not sure it generates the sense of fear you'd want in a terrorist act. Yeah, the economic effects would be bad until the supply chain worked out the time delays for sailing around Africa. It's really more the kind of poo poo you'd see on a G.I. Joe cartoon or a Bond film where someone holds the canal hostage. What if it's a small container ship, but the containers are chock full of expanding foam. Totally fill the canal with expanding foam.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:04
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Facebook Aunt posted:What if it's a small container ship, but the containers are chock full of expanding foam. Totally fill the canal with expanding foam. CIA going to start watching bulk orders of those expanding animal sponges from Ali express
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Mar 30, 2021 19:09
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the terrorists just need to hire a bunch of guys with shovels to go to the canal at night and gradually fill it in. do it slowly so no one notices until it's too late.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:10
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guys stop giving the terrorists ideas they're going to send the CIA a link to this thread when they do the next terrorism
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Mar 30, 2021 19:18
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Wonder if an ATGM or Tank could do enough damage. Didn’t Hezbollah hit an Israeli warship with one?
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Mar 30, 2021 19:22
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The real way for terrorists to gently caress up the Suez is to have a gender reveal party there. The nearest property to damage is the canal, and as is traditional, billions in property damage will ensue.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:24
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Thomamelas posted:The real way for terrorists to gently caress up the Suez is to have a gender reveal party there. The nearest property to damage is the canal, and as is traditional, billions in property damage will ensue. ISIS is gonna need more American white people.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:29
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Thomamelas posted:The real way for terrorists to gently caress up the Suez is to have a gender reveal party there. The nearest property to damage is the canal, and as is traditional, billions in property damage will ensue. The true terror attack is 15 years later when the child that party was for turns out to be transgender, the parents accept and encourage that, and 30% of the US sees the story on Fox News and riots. They use our own bigots against us. Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 19:31
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https://twitter.com/NanoRaptor/status/1376899783445504006
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Mar 30, 2021 19:32
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What a strange plug design
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Mar 30, 2021 19:35
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TotalLossBrain posted:What a strange plug design How are you supposed to use your male-to-male extension cords with that?!
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Mar 30, 2021 19:38
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:How are you supposed to use your male-to-male extension cords with that?! A docking adapter.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:47
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The reset buttons on my outlets are so boring to press. That looks way more exciting.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:54
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Those aren't reset buttons, they are switches that turn the outlet on and off. European and Australian outlets have them so you can turn off devices completely with no vampire drain.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:01
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CannonFodder posted:A docking adapter.  Cojawfee posted:The true terror attack is 15 years later when the child that party was for turns out to be transgender, the parents accept and encourage that, and 30% of the US sees the story on Fox News and riots. They use our own bigots against us. No, the true terror will come when parents are so accepting that they insist on holding a second, updated gender reveal party for the kid, with even bigger explosions.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:06
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Cojawfee posted:Those aren't reset buttons, they are switches that turn the outlet on and off. European and Australian outlets have them so you can turn off devices completely with no vampire drain. The switches long predate appliances with “vampire” drain. They’re a dubious safety feature.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:08
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Platystemon posted:The switches long predate appliances with “vampire” drain. They're also not really common in Europe. I only know of the UK that has them.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:10
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So with the switch on that's essentially a cattle prod for my calves.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:11
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:They're also not really common in Europe. I only know of the UK that has them. The UK has a weird pseudo-DIY/macho culture around their outlets and electricity. Like, look at this ridiculous bullshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q
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Mar 30, 2021 20:17
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:They're also not really common in Europe. I only know of the UK that has them. This is because the UK uses an insane household electrical wiring standard that reduces the amount of metal needed to wire a building, with the small downside that one bad device in the system can fail the whole thing in an undetectable manner and burn down your house. In an attempt to address this shortcoming, every device must have its own fuse in the plug, which is why UK plugs are gigantic. Don't even get me started on their plumbing systems
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Mar 30, 2021 20:20
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Sagebrush posted:This is because the UK uses an insane household electrical wiring standard that reduces the amount of metal needed to wire a building, with the small downside that one bad device in the system can fail the whole thing in an undetectable manner and burn down your house. In an attempt to address this shortcoming, every device must have its own fuse in the plug, which is why UK plugs are gigantic. It’s not undetectable, it’s standard practise to unplug everything on the circuit to then trouble shoot. Any spark will then sniff the plug to see if the fuse has gone as we have fuses in most plugs still.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:23
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Cojawfee posted:Those aren't reset buttons, they are switches that turn the outlet on and off. European and Australian outlets have them so you can turn off devices completely with no vampire drain. Sharpen 5% Focus on region AZ25 Enhance 
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Mar 30, 2021 20:25
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spiky butthole posted:It’s not undetectable, it’s standard practise to unplug everything on the circuit to then trouble shoot. Any spark will then sniff the plug to see if the fuse has gone as we have fuses in most plugs still. All I'm hearing is a shaky excuse for a poorly thought-out cheapass electrical system that has been rejected by every other country on the planet
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Mar 30, 2021 20:25
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LanceHunter posted:No, the true terror will come when parents are so accepting that they insist on holding a second, updated gender reveal party for the kid, with even bigger explosions. Project Plowshare gender reveal
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Mar 30, 2021 20:34
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spiky butthole posted:It’s not undetectable, it’s standard practise to unplug everything on the circuit to then trouble shoot. Any spark will then sniff the plug to see if the fuse has gone as we have fuses in most plugs still. The "undetectable" part is that if you have a break in one side of the ring main, current still flows and everything still works, only you're now running twice the amperage that the wire was designed for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit#Fault_conditions_are_not_apparent_when_in_use
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Mar 30, 2021 20:41
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zedprime posted:Enhance Wow, I thought those were just little logos or something.
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Sagebrush posted:Don't even get me started on their plumbing systems I stayed in an ancient mid-rise hotel building in wales once where the shower had what I guess was an electric booster pump on it. The problem is that there's a limit to how hard you can suck water up a tube before the pressure in the pipe gets so low that the water boils. This apparently sucked harder than that so the water came in fits and spurts when it came at all and the pump sounded like hell as it tried to pump a frothy steamy mess instead of water. Definitely worth the risk of installing an electrical appliance inside the shower.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:59
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Cojawfee posted:First you have to get a ship. You can't just hijack one, because then the entire world will know you hijacked it and will be tracking you. Pulling up to the canal in your hijacked boat just gets you raided by special forces, or sunk. Then you have to fill it with enough containers to make it look like a real cargo ship. You have to do that at a real port without anyone noticing, or do it somewhere else which takes longer and hope no one notices or no one picks up one of your guys texting about it. Then you have to get it to the canal and then pay the fees, and then hire the suez pilot and all that. And then you have to actually crash into the canal, block it, and then blow it up. That's a lot of money needed to pull off considering that the last big terror attack by a guy from a rich saudi family was "go to flight school a few times and then hijack some planes." I guess if you're the rube goldberg of terrorists...or you could just get one dude hired on the right ship and have him gently caress it up through any number of ways as it traverses the canal or place a bomb onboard or attack it from the vast expanse of desert as it traverses. It also doesn't need to be a ship as big as the ever given, just big enough to block the middle of the canal in the tighter areas.
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Mar 30, 2021 21:01
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Z the IVth posted:Do ships not have some way of letting water in that could be used to scuttle them? I recall reading about one Bismarck sinking theory was that someone opened some valve somewhere and the whole ship just went down in fairly short order when everything flooded. Bismarck already had a lot of bigger holes made in it that day.
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FuturePastNow posted:Bismarck already had a lot of bigger holes made in it that day. Yeah, the scuttling thing is one of those Nazi technological superiority myths. The truth is that the Bismark had a ton of design faults, which isn't surprising since it was basically an up-scaled WWI design from a country that had missed out on all the improvements in capital ship design during the interwar period.
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I think that goon was thinking of the Admiral Graf Spee which was scuttled. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_River_Plate
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EasilyConfused posted:Yeah, the scuttling thing is one of those Nazi technological superiority myths. The truth is that the Bismark had a ton of design faults, which isn't surprising since it was basically an up-scaled WWI design from a country that had missed out on all the improvements in capital ship design during the interwar period. Also, like was mentioned, the Allies had been bombing the poo poo out of it for days in revenge for it sinking one of Britain's prized warships
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Cthulu Carl posted:I think that goon was thinking of the Admiral Graf Spee which was scuttled. The Bismarck was scuttled by her crew (by explosive charges on some major through-hull fittings) but that was the final move of her acting captain to prevent the ship being captured by the British and to give the surviving crew a chance of being rescued rather than perishing on a ship that had already been shelled and torpedoed into a rudderless, powerless, burning hulk with all its primary and most of its secondary armament already disabled. Yes, the British didn't literally sink the Bismarck but only because her crew did so first. After the loss of the Hood the British navy was quite prepared to keep slamming shells and torpedoes into the German ship for as long as it took before she sank or blew up. The actions of the crew just (quite justifiably) called time and moved the process to its inevitable end with less loss of life. Unfortunately the basic fact that the ship was scuttled rather than sunk was immediately seized on for propaganda purposes and has kept cropping up ever since.
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