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Warbird posted:Also Graduation is ok, forgettable at worst. Y’all need to chill.  Mission: Imp Hospital was kind of unlistenable for me but the rest has been totally fine doing-the-dishes listening fare.I would also like to see a BDG-run game, though IDK how much experience he has with that (he was great as a player in Jenna's Cyberpunk game). Entropic posted:Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought it was more like a small group of fans was suggesting topics like that and they said "yeah, no, this isn't really that kind of show, we're trying to be a lighthearted funny little show, getting into heavy politics is not really our wheelhouse at all" and the fans were like HOW DARE YOU wizzardstaff posted:I think that whether you describe something as "virtue signaling" or "performative wokeness" depends on how YOU, the speaker feel about the behavior in question. Admiral Joeslop posted:I've always felt that the difference between "performative wokeness" and "virtue signaling" was intent. Someone signaling doesn't give a poo poo about the thing they're talking about, as long as people see them talking about it. Being performative means you do actually care about the thing but you're making a big deal, even if unintentionally, about supporting it. I'm personally fine with cishets making a big show of saying they're Allies as long as they actually back it up by learning the poo poo they need to learn in order to be good allies, and walking the walk. But I think it's really the same thing we're both aggravated by. 
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Pladdicus posted:it's a dumb world. agreed 
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Lester Shy posted:I think "performative wokeness" is mostly harmless, but I can understand being frustrated by it when Travis uses trauma-sensitive language to talk about how he's a middle brother so having to repeat himself is "triggering" or that scolding people for playing a video game wrong is "establishing boundaries." People struggle to have these concepts taken seriously, so I can see being annoyed when somebody appropriates them for something frivolous.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Yeah but if you drill down on a lot of what people are actually taking issue with WRT Travis it’s poo poo like “soy face” and the fact that he does poo poo with his look and behavior that’s traditionally coded as queer. I consider myself a good enough person that I would never use a gendered, racist, ableist, or homophobic pejorative to describe someone I don’t like. I am, though, a big enough man-child that I do feel the need to point at the people I don’t like and call them names. So, as such, I am challenging the posters in this thread to generate new pejoratives to call people that don’t involve involve coded language. Just words that by their very mouth feel describe the person you are pointing at and mocking. I hope this will become a team building exercise that unifies the thread. I shall begin: ‘Goober’. Use case: “People who say ‘soy-face’ are goddam goobers”. I look forward to everyone else’s contributions.
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as gently caress (see my previous post on the matter) but there’s also a bunch of people who are mad that Travis is straight and legit consider him dying his hair the queerness equivalent of stealing valor. And that’s also super weird and not ok.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I consider myself a good enough person that I would never use a gendered, racist, ableist, or homophobic pejorative to describe someone I don’t like. I am, though, a big enough man-child that I do feel the need to point at the people I don’t like and call them names. You should really look up the origin of Goober before you start throwing it around like that.
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Pham Nuwen posted:agreed lmao
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Just Chamber posted:You should really look up the origin of Goober before you start throwing it around like that.
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Pham Nuwen posted:agreed Fans calling the brothers by their family nicknames will never be weird to me. Why do you call him juice? You have absolutely zero context to call him that!
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Ok Comboomer posted:Yeah but if you drill down on a lot of what people are actually taking issue with WRT Travis it’s poo poo like “soy face” and the fact that he does poo poo with his look and behavior that’s traditionally coded as queer. Hey check out this take: if you find this cis straight man annoying, that's homophobic. Boom
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The World Inferno posted:Wonder if that's just the smile someone makes when they don't feel like they've really figured out how to do a normal one and just way over commit to showing the teeth. I feel like I made that face a decent amount as a thirteen year old and being super self-conscious of how my smile might look. Having a media-presentable smile is something that you have or don't have. There's a reason why people point out that some celebrities have the one "face" that they always show in photographs of themselves. I think thumbnailface is just easier to self-effacingly wave off as being whacky or dumb when someone's worried that they don't have the confidence to do a camera-friendly smile. The other part of it is that it probably works better for small images and banners that you'd see on phone screens or small, thumbnail-like images. I think Graduation got better. It's still probably the least-good of the top 10 or so currently-running Actual Plays, but it's no longer on-its-face bad. I think a big turn was when Travis was finally comfortable with letting his NPCs be flawed and start doing bits with the players instead of just going "...huh" or "...okay" all the time. He also massively toned down the scripted bits and one-on-ones and dumped the squeaky baby voice he was talking in for a long time. It's still got very little focus which I think that comes from all the course-correcting, but at least players are all talking to each other again.
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I gotta say as a free-floating piece of content out there on the internet this article is as the expression goes "buck wild"Vice Magazine posted:For some in the fandom, the current season of The Adventure Zone is a disaster. Some fans who have spoken to Motherboard have said that things have gotten so bad that they've dropped off the show after listening to it for nearly a decade. While the complaints are numerous, almost all of them revolve around the way the story is being told. Some of these fans feel that the current Dungeon Master, middle brother Travis McElroy, has made the show unlistenable. Vice Magazine posted:One fan, who goes by AwuBuwu on Twitter described the concept of a wheelchair using character as "hot as hell and I love it."
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Pennsylvanian posted:I think thumbnailface is just easier to self-effacingly wave off as being whacky or dumb when someone's worried that they don't have the confidence to do a camera-friendly smile. yeah it's 100% this
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some plague rats posted:Hey check out this take: if you find this cis straight man annoying, that's homophobic. Boom This is such bad faith horseshit I’m not even gonna respond to it, holy cow.
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McElory + BGD Love Zone: One fan, who goes by AwuBuwu on twitter,
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Sivart13 posted:One fan, who goes by AwuBuwu on Twitter described the concept of a wheelchair using character as "hot as hell and I love it." This person has a pumpkin in their shower for sure.
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People make faces when they get their picture taken. It's a very, very, normal thing.
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Ok Comboomer posted:This is such bad faith horseshit I’m not even gonna respond to it, holy cow. It wasn't intended as a serious argument, my guy
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Sivart13 posted:I gotta say as a free-floating piece of content out there on the internet this article is as the expression goes "buck wild" Yeah the tone of it is bonkers, its written like a serious investigation into major transgressions when the subject is "podcast not as good as it used to be, some say"
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eke out posted:McElory + BGD Love Zone: One fan, who goes by AwuBuwu on twitter, Mods please
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Just Chamber posted:You should really look up the origin of Goober before you start throwing it around like that. It’s what really old farts call peanuts and a term of endearment for “dumbfucker”. Please do share whatever fun racist/ableist/Xist source uses you know for it, I’d be interested to hear about it. Warbird fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Warbird posted:It’s what really old farts call peanuts and a term of endearment for “dumbfucker”. Please do share whatever fun racist/ableist/Xist source uses you know for it, I’d be interested to her about it. 
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Warbird posted:It’s what really old farts call peanuts and a term of endearment for “dumbfucker”. Please do share whatever fun racist/ableist/Xist source uses you know for it, I’d be interested to her about it. Same. It’s literally the name of a popular sandwich spread. New neutral perjorative: ‘ding-dong’ Use case: “Concern trolls are such loving ding-dongs”.
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my personal take is that if they stopped thinking theyre doing good everyones lives would be a lot better. like they talk in interviews and stuff about 'we have an obligation not to just portray people like ourselves' and thats the worst attitude to try and depict a real-feeling trans/disabled/w/e person from, lol. like nobodys lives would be different if the podcast boys did just have orcs and white guys in their podcasts. maybe a few less people would listen to it but nobody'd die. that's not to say they shouldn't just that they shouldn't pay themselves on the back or treat it like its a grand quest, or like they're doing anyone a favor. the issue is a lot of their fanbase absolutely treats it like a grand quest where they're doing people favors. so minor fuckups get magnified while people have to shout about how a random podcast dude doing a falsetto to yell that a d&d npc is trans is the pinnacle of representation. and like, its just a white cis dude playing d&d putting a trans character in. it has no more or less meaning than that. and thats fine. some people might be into that but it isnt transgressive queer art or a watershed moment. its just a thing thats happening
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Endorph posted:my personal take is that if they stopped thinking theyre doing good everyones lives would be a lot better. like they talk in interviews and stuff about 'we have an obligation not to just portray people like ourselves' and thats the worst attitude to try and depict a real-feeling trans/disabled/w/e person from, lol. like nobodys lives would be different if the podcast boys did just have orcs and white guys in their podcasts. maybe a few less people would listen to it but nobody'd die. that's not to say they shouldn't just that they shouldn't pay themselves on the back or treat it like its a grand quest, or like they're doing anyone a favor. I agree, the problem is that when that side of the left latches onto you you have to be a bastion of progression or they'll jump all over you if you either slip up or aren't continuously the most progressive people on the planet, see: the recent Lindsay Ellis controversy that shows they'd much rather eat their own than pile on actual legit scummy people. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Endorph posted:my personal take is that if they stopped thinking theyre doing good everyones lives would be a lot better. like they talk in interviews and stuff about 'we have an obligation not to just portray people like ourselves' and thats the worst attitude to try and depict a real-feeling trans/disabled/w/e person from, lol. like nobodys lives would be different if the podcast boys did just have orcs and white guys in their podcasts. maybe a few less people would listen to it but nobody'd die. that's not to say they shouldn't just that they shouldn't pay themselves on the back or treat it like its a grand quest, or like they're doing anyone a favor. Yeah exactly. Representation in media is nice at best when it's actual poc/trans/etc people getting roles but a white guy saying "this character is trans" is not actually representation Also the best D&D podcast in the world, Rude Tales of Magic, is made up entirely of people whose character is "me but I'm a fawn/sasquatch/skeleton" and nobody complains about it because it's too much fun to be a buzz kill about
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Just Chamber posted:that side of the left ???
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Oh fun. What happened with Lindsay?some plague rats posted:Also the best D&D podcast in the world, Rude Tales of Magic, is made up entirely of people whose character is "me but I'm a fawn/sasquatch/skeleton" and nobody complains about it because it's too much fun to be a buzz kill about Idk friend. There are people that think Stirfry isn’t the best. The monsters. Warbird fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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There's some lovely sides on the left also? OK, liberal white people on twitter, better? Regardless there's a side of the always online crowd who happen to be left wing that get really loving weird when it comes to who they label as bastions of liberal values like Lindsay Ellis, The McElroys etc. Warbird posted:Oh fun. What happened with Lindsay? She disliked Raya and the Last Dragon and dared to say that Avatar The Last Airbender was an influence on it as well as being a big influence on a bunch of YA fiction in recent years, which apparently makes her a racist, she did the smart thing and deleted her twitter to basically get out while she could until poo poo dies down because that's honestly the only thing you can do in that situation. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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sorry i'd rather just listen to Future of the Left
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Endorph posted:my personal take is that if they stopped thinking theyre doing good everyones lives would be a lot better. like they talk in interviews and stuff about 'we have an obligation not to just portray people like ourselves' and thats the worst attitude to try and depict a real-feeling trans/disabled/w/e person from, lol. like nobodys lives would be different if the podcast boys did just have orcs and white guys in their podcasts. maybe a few less people would listen to it but nobody'd die. that's not to say they shouldn't just that they shouldn't pay themselves on the back or treat it like its a grand quest, or like they're doing anyone a favor. it's funny because there's a very simple way to actually promote representation: play dnd with some people who are not cishet white men lol it's not like a three person party is the only way for a podcast to be listenable and they could always do like... miniseries or a side project or a stream or a million other things. and, in return, they would make a great deal of money for their work
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eke out posted:it's funny because there's a very simple way to actually promote representation: play dnd with some people who are not cishet white men lol That is the correct answer and I can’t believe it took us this deep into the conversation to get to it.
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please put neck frills on Travis and have him spit black goo on dennis nedry while making that face
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Reaverbot posted:please put neck frills on Travis and have him spit black goo on dennis nedry while making that face
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Warbird posted:Idk friend. There are people that think Stirfry isn’t the best. The monsters. Sorry pal but Stirfry likers are cancelled for doing uh [spins wheel] heightism and you're only allowed to like Cordelia
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You know what? At least people want to take Travis' picture. I have a feeling that most of the goobers making fun of Travis haven't been asked to smile for the camera since the DMV.
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Marsupial Ape posted:You know what? At least people want to take Travis' picture. I have a feeling that most of the goobers making fun of Travis haven't been asked to smile for the camera since the DMV. why are you so defensive of the guy's big dumb mouth lmao
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Marsupial Ape posted:You know what? At least people want to take Travis' picture. I have a feeling that most of the goobers making fun of Travis haven't been asked to smile for the camera since the DMV. Are you trying to come up with the worst possible defense in every situation? Because that's actually a really good bit and I like it a lot
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