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Xachariah posted:The only way I can personally reconcile what these people are able to do in the MCU is to believe that the super soldier serum/plant literally somehow gave them superhuman gamma abilities rather than just peak human. They all seem twice as strong as the most juiced up strongman and able to run twice as fast as the fastest human ever. MCU Cap is definitely much stronger than traditional comics Cap. Like I said, The Ultimates made their Cap actually be superhuman and the first phase of the MCU was partially inspired by the Ultimates. The USAgent in the comics actually operates on a level similar to the MCU Cap (post Power Broker juicing), if that gives you idea about the power disparity between the two mediums.
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Ultimates Cap and MCU Cap are definitely orders of magnitude stronger than 616 comics Cap, but I think even ol' 616 has plenty of wild strength/speed feats out there, since as with all characters what they can do will vary somewhat based on the writer. Ultimates and MCU have a higher baseline to work from though. The Ultimates, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Ultimate X-men had their ups and down, but I really liked a lot of the swings those stories took. Volume 1 of the Ultimates in particular does a hell of a job of presenting an edgy "not your papa's Avengers" team while not going too far in that direction, and I thought both the writing and the art on it was really good. Overall that Ultimate universe was a good idea, and I'm sure we'll get something like it in Marvel comics eventually to keep things fresh/mix things up and present the characters once again in a way that lets them set aside the heaps of continuity/history they have while also not presenting it as just short miniseries or one-shots in universes that don't really get to grow/tie together.
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The thing I remember most about Ultimates volume 1 was that the final issue had something like an 8 page fold out center that was just one huge action scene. I don't even remember what the action scene was now; I just remember myself and my housemate both folding it out in awe that the artist had managed to make one huge panel that was that many pages wide filled with action to depict the climax of the fight.
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Doom2020! posted:Yeah they really never stated it clearly but, since I'm a recovering comic book nerd and have discussed the movies with mates while high, I will help out. The heart shaped herb gives him peak human capabilities akin to Captain America. That means strength, speed, stamina are all at that vague level of "right below true superhuman" but above every known weightlifter, marathon and track runner. One of the bigger aspects of T'Challa is his mind. Think Batman. Guy can hold his own in conversations with Reed Richards and Tony Stark but can strategize like Captain America. One of the big arcs back in the day was BP having contingency plans to take out every Avenger. He also has access to Vibranium and the Scientific wonder that is Wakanda. Crazy sci fi tech and, in the movies, has a suit that enhances his prowess by not only being vibranium armour (so almost impenetrable) but will absorb kinetic energy over time and release it in a blast. Here's write-ups from the old TSR Marvel Super-hero RPG from the 80s for Black Panther, Captain America (Steve Rogers), "Captain America" (John Walker) and Spiderman (Peter Parker) In terms of what those descriptors mean in relation to one another: Unearthly > Monstrous > Amazing > Incredible > Remarkable > Excellant > Good > Typical > Poor > Feeble Note that these write-up are in terms of the characters from the comic books, so the MCU version could easily be a lot different. Everyone fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 01:39
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USAgent has always been the stronger, yet shittier Captain America. I had forgotten how much pathos his origin had, though. He want to honor his brother who died in Viet Nam. Hmm. Wouldn’t it be some poo poo if over the next couple episodes we learn to really hate Walker, but then there is the revelation that he’s doing all this because his older sibling died in Iraq?
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Marsupial Ape posted:USAgent has always been the stronger, yet shittier Captain America. It would be weird if they went that direction but hadn’t hinted at it yet. We got both the private pep talk from his wife AND best bud, as well as the public Good Morning America intro, and there was no hint to it there? On a different topic I went back and started reading the issues introducing Super-Patriot and The Buckies. Man that dialog is corny as hell, lmao. Though there’s also a subplot of Nomad (apparently an identity of a third CA sidekick?) going undercover on a orgy yacht which is pretty funny
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Mar 31, 2021 02:19
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Like John Walker's early stuff was him doing false flag crimes to try and prove to people that he was the REAL Captain America Then yeah, during his run as Cap when Cap quits he almost kills another West Coast Avenger because he's extremely unstable
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Mar 31, 2021 02:23
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"If you aren't going to join me then you better stay out of my way" is so un-Cap as to almost be cartoonishly evil.,
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Mar 31, 2021 02:41
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Disney did end up cutting gay sub-plots from Star Wars, Frozen, and Avengers because of the Chinese censorship board, though. Can't speak for Star Wars and Frozen, but the MCU being incredibly pale, male, and stale for the first phase and a half was mostly due to Ike Perlmutter, not China. I'm pretty sure that Mark Ruffalo has basically said that Feige threatened to walk out after The Avengers because Ike thought that Black Widow or Captain Marvel weren't bankable superheroes.
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GORDON posted:"If you aren't going to join me then you better stay out of my way" is so un-Cap as to almost be cartoonishly evil., I dunno, it's not that far from Steve in Infinity War. quote:I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
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howe_sam posted:I dunno, it's not that far from Steve in Infinity War. I feel like the context of "I'm going to do the right thing regardless of the government's rules and wishes," vs "I'm going to do what the government wishes because that's the right thing regardless of what you want," is relevant. The only time Steve was ever a completely obedient stooge was when he was a stage show. His first act as the real Captain America was to defy orders to do the right thing.
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live with fruit posted:If they went just with villains of the Avengers, they could put together a team like: Loki is still alive you know
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Mar 31, 2021 05:21
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live with fruit posted:If they went just with villains of the Avengers, they could put together a team like: If we expand things a little, we get: Adrian Toomes/Vulture (Iron Man) Karli Morgenthau/Flag-smasher (Captain America) Abomination (Hulk) Agatha Harkness (was an occasional black widow over the centuries) (Black Widow) Zemo (the guy was ex-special forces in Sokovia)(Hawkeye) Lady Sif(I think her character is still alive, right?) (Thor)
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Mar 31, 2021 05:38
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Everyone posted:Lady Sif(I think her character is still alive, right?) (Thor) Last I heard she was returning for Love and Thunder. She's not exactly a villain, though.
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Mar 31, 2021 05:51
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Daduzi posted:Last I heard she was returning for Love and Thunder. She's not exactly a villain, though. Come on the obvious answer is Encha... *remembers Suicide Squad* ...Oh no. OH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! 
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Sanguinia posted:Do you think Sam would have given up the Shield if he thought they were going to put it on a Captain America they had hand-selected? The fact that they lied about putting in the Smithsonian to get it out of the hands of a Black Man and give it to a White Man is pretty relevant. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 07:24
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sticklefifer posted:I mean, maybe? But if he knew in advance, I assume he'd have fought hard for the museum thing, because the alternative is him very reluctantly carrying the mantle. That, or if he'd known, he might never have turned it over at all and claimed it was lost in the battle. For Sam the shield itself is symbolic of Steve's legacy, but the shield alone isn't what makes Cap, and the government could've easily made another one (or a knockoff if they didn't have a spare) whether Sam brought it back or not. Had Sam wanted the job and it was given to Walker anyway, sure, but he refused. Am I a bad person for wanting a little pushback against the mythologization of The Shield with some flashback to Wakanda when Howard Stark obtained it? Wakandan1: So what "great relic" did you give that colonizer to get him to go away? Wakandan2: I gave him that old disc that Uncle M'Braka used when he played "Fetch" with the war rhinos.
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Mar 31, 2021 07:31
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Not counting the old USO one, Cap had like 4 or 5 throughout the whole saga anyway, right? There's two red variations, a blue one, and that weird pointy Wakandan one, and I might be forgetting another one.
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Everyone posted:Am I a bad person for wanting a little pushback against the mythologization of The Shield with some flashback to Wakanda when Howard Stark obtained it? Howard made the shield out of an alloy of Vibranium and other things didn't he. He got the Vibranium from Wakanda but it was likely just a rock, or something not shield shaped. Not that this isn't a very funny mental image, I'm just pretty sure I remember Howard made the shield himself but got the materials from Wakanda.
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I want more Justin Hammer only because I loving love Sam Rockwell in everything and its kind of a perfect role for him.
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When they introduced the new captain america and he looked extremely goofy in the helmet/mask, was that on purpose or not? Like he's a normal looking guy but looks like a complete mutant in that helmet thing.
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redreader posted:When they introduced the new captain america and he looked extremely goofy in the helmet/mask, was that on purpose or not? Like he's a normal looking guy but looks like a complete mutant in that helmet thing. it gives him a more unique silhouette, like one would design a cartoon character or a mascot
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Lord_Magmar posted:Howard made the shield out of an alloy of Vibranium and other things didn't he? He got the Vibranium from Wakanda but it was likely just a rock, or something not shield shaped. I really don't remember. I guess I just figured that in the 1940s nobody outside Wakanda had the ability to forge Vibranium into anything. Maybe Howard figured out that magnet thing and shaped the stuff that way. TK-42-1 posted:I want more Justin Hammer only because I loving love Sam Rockwell in everything and its kind of a perfect role for him. Oh, I agree with more Justin Hammer, but I kind of see him less as "Iron Man" and more as the financier who cheaps out on the equipment/HQ. I think I kind of want to re-think my "cast" and put Agatha in the "Thor" role (legendary, powerful long-lived being) and maybe put Trevor Slattery actor/con artist in the Black Widow role. redreader posted:When they introduced the new captain america and he looked extremely goofy in the helmet/mask, was that on purpose or not? Like he's a normal looking guy but looks like a complete mutant in that helmet thing. That was absolutely deliberate to cue the viewers that "Yeah, this dude is not right to be Captain America."
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Sloth Life posted:It's a cinderella thing. The Well, at the very least you need to look somewhat like yourself while wearing instead of looking like the old man from Up. Unless you are the old man from Up who is also somehow the new Captain America.
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sticklefifer posted:Not counting the old USO one, Cap had like 4 or 5 throughout the whole saga anyway, right? There's two red variations, a blue one, and that weird pointy Wakandan one, and I might be forgetting another one. He only ever had the one shield. They just changed the paint job to match the mission.
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Mar 31, 2021 11:04
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From Reddit. I like Steve’s appropriate face. 
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Daduzi posted:Last I heard she was returning for Love and Thunder. She's not exactly a villain, though. Like I know at one point Luke Cage was the team leader
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Geo Fixer posted:Loki is still alive you know He's alive in another timeline in 2012, but then so are all the others who have died. That Loki exists parallel from the current MCU, depending on what happens in his series.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:22
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Lord_Magmar posted:Howard made the shield out of an alloy of Vibranium and other things didn't he. He got the Vibranium from Wakanda but it was likely just a rock, or something not shield shaped. There was also a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony is using a skeletal prototype shield as a paperweight and Coulson asks something like, "do you know what this is?"
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Mar 31, 2021 14:29
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Man it's still hosed up to me that none of the Avengers ever found out Coulson is alive and he didn't even get to go to Tony Stark's funeral in Endgame despite being acknowledged enough by the MCU to have a nice little moment or two in Captain Marvel.
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Doctor Nutt posted:Man it's still hosed up to me that none of the Avengers ever found out Coulson is alive and he didn't even get to go to Tony Stark's funeral in Endgame despite being acknowledged enough by the MCU to have a nice little moment or two in Captain Marvel. Feign never wanted him brought back, that was on Whedon and Loeb's end. Assume he's dead in regular MCU continuity
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Doctor Nutt posted:Man it's still hosed up to me that none of the Avengers ever found out Coulson is alive and he didn't even get to go to Tony Stark's funeral in Endgame despite being acknowledged enough by the MCU to have a nice little moment or two in Captain Marvel. He's dead. Don't be fooled by fanfic.
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Gaz-L posted:Feign never wanted him brought back, that was on Whedon and Loeb's end. Assume he's dead in regular MCU continuity I know Whedon was involved in the creation of AoS, but even he said "are you nuts? He's dead." when people asked him if Coulson was going to make an appearance in Age of Ultron
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Doctor Nutt posted:Man it's still hosed up to me that none of the Avengers ever found out Coulson is alive and he didn't even get to go to Tony Stark's funeral in Endgame despite being acknowledged enough by the MCU to have a nice little moment or two in Captain Marvel. He's also technically dead again by that point in Agents of Shield.
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howe_sam posted:I know Whedon was involved in the creation of AoS, but even he said "are you nuts? He's dead." when people asked him if Coulson was going to make an appearance in Age of Ultron Which is really weird, as he's the guy who rebuilt Fury's helicarrier for Age of Ultron. According to AoS anyways, I know it's not canon but at the time it was a long running subplot on the show.
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seaborgium posted:Which is really weird, as he's the guy who rebuilt Fury's helicarrier for Age of Ultron. According to AoS anyways, I know it's not canon but at the time it was a long running subplot on the show. That's good cause Fury just kinda shows up in AoU and it feels lazy.
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I will say that Wyatt Russell is doing an excellent job following the showrunner/director requests of "Okay, Wyatt, what we want is for your personality and attitudes as the new Captain America to be such that random people on the street in the real world will walk up and try to slap the life out of you."
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I love the flip side where I'm seeing reddit "bravery" posts proclaiming out and proud "I don't hate John Walker" like it's some sort of grand achievement.
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Walker doesn’t strike me as an intentional bad person. He just a lot of built in authoritarianism and entitlement that makes him obnoxious to the people who haven’t grown up with him. I do suspect that the committee of senators and generals that had to have chosen him view the authoritarianism as a plus.
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