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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




And in the real world captaincy in the navy is entirely unrelated to the rank: it's common to have ships commanded by anything from lieutenant commander or up. (It's what the commander in the lt. cmdr rank name comes from: it's where you get your first command)

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MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
Taking command training just means when you have the opportunity, you can tell people what to do and they have to listen to you.

e;
And you can go up to the bridge whenever so you're not always down in the lower decks so much with all the riff raff.

MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 30, 2021

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


MariusLecter posted:

Taking command training just means when you have the opportunity, you can tell people what to do and they have to listen to you.

e;
And you can go up to the bridge whenever so you're not always down in the lower decks so much with all the riff raff.

*YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNN*

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Disco doesn't even give a poo poo about rank half the time

Tilly was a pretty green Ensign and she gets made First Officer for 5 minutes

Then you had Burnham being a 'Specialist' in Season 1 before I guess they restored her rank or whatever, but even during Season 1 she is doing a lot of command-type work.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

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FlamingLiberal posted:

Disco doesn't even give a poo poo about rank half the time

Tilly was a pretty green Ensign and she gets made First Officer for 5 minutes

Then you had Burnham being a 'Specialist' in Season 1 before I guess they restored her rank or whatever, but even during Season 1 she is doing a lot of command-type work.

First season staffing shenanigans can be excused because Lorca wasn't acting in good faith. "This universe's Burnham is a mutineer too? I should get her on board," makes perfect sense for Lorca.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
Simple explanation, experimental ship in more ways than one baybeee.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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That carries into the 3rd season

*Disco has at least 10 other more qualified officers on the ship*

Saru: "Look, I don't loving know, just put the Ensign in charge"

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Neddy Seagoon posted:

The short of it in Star Trek is it's possible to hold the rank of Commander without having the position of Executive Officer. Crusher, and Troi towards the end of TNG, are full Commanders for example. As is Sisko for the first few seasons of DS9, when he's supposed to be on a boring assignment running this dinky backwater station and doing what should've been relatively-rote diplomacy with for a potential new member-world. It's a Command role, but doesn't need a full Captain to do the job.

Even that doesn't make sense given the number of Federation member worlds. Based on the number of members there's probably only 1-2 species joining the Federation each year, any of them would be a massive event.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Senor Tron posted:

Even that doesn't make sense given the number of Federation member worlds. Based on the number of members there's probably only 1-2 species joining the Federation each year, any of them would be a massive event.

It never really made sense that DS9 didn't have a permanently present recurring character Federation Ambassador to Bajor. And if the Ambassador was on Bajor itself, a consul on the station.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

MikeJF posted:

It never really made sense that DS9 didn't have a permanently present recurring character Federation Ambassador to Bajor. And if the Ambassador was on Bajor itself, a consul on the station.

I think they addressed that at some point with 'look Sisko we can't appoint an ambassador because you've somehow become their religious messiah and it would be silly to pretend the Bajorans will talk to anyone but you, you are our rep to Bajor now'.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Senor Tron posted:

Even that doesn't make sense given the number of Federation member worlds. Based on the number of members there's probably only 1-2 species joining the Federation each year, any of them would be a massive event.

I don't think the Federation particularly cared about Bajor prior to the wormhole, and probably didn't expend the effort.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

Nichael posted:

I don't think the Federation particularly cared about Bajor prior to the wormhole, and probably didn't expend the effort.

It did seem to be more like Picard's pet project. Pretty telling to that none of the senior officers really had command experience or seemed to have much senior position experience (except maybe Dax a little and Sisko).

Burning_Monk fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Mar 31, 2021

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Oct 4, 2008

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Nichael posted:

I don't think the Federation particularly cared about Bajor prior to the wormhole, and probably didn't expend the effort.

In this era the Federation has nearly infinite staffing. There must be hundreds of junior diplomats waiting for their first post as Ambassador to some lovely border world.

There could be a diplomatic office on Bajor. Negotiating how many soil reclamation doodads to send and where to deliver them. Stuff that has no affect on the Starfleet presence on the station. Sisko hates dealing with the civilian government on the planet.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Sometimes here in the Real World, countries don't assign an ambassador, even if they have relations. The US, for instance, has the Ambassador to Madagascar pull double duty as the ambassador for the Comoros Islands too. There's no embassy in the Comoros either. Nor is there a Comoros Embassy in DC. The UN representative does that job.

Even though Bajor ended up being super-important, Sisko's unique status made things kinda weird. There's a pretty solid chance that Bajor would have tried to make the Sisko their nuncio or something.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

It seems like there is some diplomacy going on not involving Sisko or DS9, although maybe not with a formal ambassador. It could be explained as a way of handling a delicate situation where the Bajorans super duper don't want foreign officials on their planet. But Sisko definitely got a lovely assignment, handling a backwater.

It seems like Bajor was just a minor part of the Cardassian/Federation peace agreement. Like, the Federation noticed that there was a Belgian Congo going on and they decided to include that in the agreement because they'd met some nice Bajorans.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Apparently Sonequa Martin-Green is playing LeBron's wife in the new Space Jam

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

FlamingLiberal posted:

Apparently Sonequa Martin-Green is playing LeBron's wife in the new Space Jam

Man, and chuds JUST calmed down about Lola Bunny not having boobs anymore, too.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Also having now watched the trailer for Space Jam, I can't believe all those insane bullshit We Got This Covered reports of cameos from characters like Pennywise, ect. were all actually real. See, this is the problem when you cater to alt-right fantasies, desires, conspiracies and clickbait with like 90% of your headlines: when you actually get one or two right, no one loving believes you anymore.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I heard it described as "Ready Player One with LeBron" and immediately tuned out entirely

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I heard it described as "Ready Player One with LeBron" and immediately tuned out entirely

I think that's the headline io9 used, as if I needed a reminder of how utterly useless io9 is as an outlet.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I heard it described as "Ready Player One with LeBron" and immediately tuned out entirely

Oh god yeah, it looked awful. But I ain’t gonna watch it, so what I do care? I’m sure a bunch of folks will waste years of their lives being brain-tearing mad about it for some reason though, so good luck to them, I guess...

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Snow Cone Capone posted:

I heard it described as "Ready Player One with LeBron" and immediately tuned out entirely
That's correct

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Timby posted:

I think that's the headline io9 used, as if I needed a reminder of how utterly useless io9 is as an outlet.

It seems pretty accurate though?

TheKirbs
Feb 16, 2018

True reality is on this side of the screen

nine-gear crow posted:

Oh god yeah, it looked awful.

Amazing, that word is spelt amazing.

And even if it it is more Ready Player One with LeBron than Space Jam that's fine. Ready Player One was fun enough to watch when the main character wasn't center stage so removing him entirely can only help matters.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I did see the game of thrones reference and go 'oh poor designers they started this sequence before it cratered so badly we collectively removed it from popular culture!'.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Picard Season 2 teaser just dropped

xerxus
Apr 24, 2010
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1379148587909607427?s=20

As expected, Q is back and De Lancie looks good.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Bilirubin posted:

Picard Season 2 teaser just dropped

AKA: "Fine, we're gonna use Q to fix all the poo poo you people won't stop bitching about. Gaaaaawd."

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


nine-gear crow posted:

AKA: "Fine, we're gonna use Q to fix all the poo poo you people won't stop bitching about. Gaaaaawd."

They just did a great panel with Patrick and John, looks like they are having a lot of fun with it

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


nine-gear crow posted:

AKA: "Fine, we're gonna use Q to fix all the poo poo you people won't stop bitching about. Gaaaaawd."

Q changes the past so Picard actually dies at the end of S1?



e: anyone wanna take a stab at what this is?

e2: I can't place the Paradise Lost reference off the top of my head but the book underneath is Dixon Hill: The Long Dark Tunnel which was the name of the holoprogram that character was in

Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Apr 5, 2021

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
"What is this nonsense? You shouldn't be an android. *snaps finger* I've made you human again. Try not to gently caress this up. That's right, I've learned your human swear words."

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

Snow Cone Capone posted:

e: anyone wanna take a stab at what this is?

ancient bajoran thingie, judging by the writing

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Cross-Section posted:

ancient bajoran thingie, judging by the writing

It’s the tablet from The Reckoning that Sisko found (and later destroyed) in that ancient bajoran city.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Bilirubin posted:

They just did a great panel with Patrick and John, looks like they are having a lot of fun with it

I'm actually quite stoked for it, to be honest.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Big Mean Jerk posted:

It’s the tablet from The Reckoning that Sisko found (and later destroyed) in that ancient bajoran city.

Ok I don't care how hamfisted and convoluted it is, if Q has Picard meet Prophet Sisko I will lose my poo poo in a good way

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Bilirubin posted:

They just did a great panel with Patrick and John, looks like they are having a lot of fun with it

Any links to a VOD of it? Stewart and de Lancie are always a blast to watch together in any capacity.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Ok I don't care how hamfisted and convoluted it is, if Q has Picard meet Prophet Sisko I will lose my poo poo in a good way

Could you imagine Picard, Sisko, and Q in the same room together?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Cojawfee posted:

"What is this nonsense? You shouldn't be an android. *snaps finger* I've made you human again. Try not to gently caress this up. That's right, I've learned your human swear words."

For some reason, I heard this as Korvo in the Solar Opposites intro.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Why would you have De Lancie deliver his line menacingly like that that's not Q at all?

The glimmer of hope I have is that they've reset back to Chateau Picard, so they might have realised that the only way they can do something convincing with Patrick Stewart is a slow thoughtful show based around him being retired.

e: and if you are doing 'glimpses into the past' or something then you can have someone else play young Picard for the action scenes.

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Apr 5, 2021

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

xerxus posted:

https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1379148587909607427?s=20

As expected, Q is back and De Lancie looks good.

Picard Season 1 generally fared much better with characters from the preexisting Trek canon than it did with its new characters or attempts at worldbuilding (hi Romulan secret society with apocalyptic anti-AI prophecies), so honestly, the closer this gets to being TNG season 8, the better

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
As cliche as it is to just bring in characters from the old show, it does seem to work. At least, it did for Riker and Troi. That was a decent episode. Picard turning into an android is exactly the kind of thing that Q would come back for.

I would like to see some kind of resolution to Picard being a robot now. There needs to be people in Starfleet or the Federation that say he's not really Picard. That Soong killed Picard and replaced him with a fake to do a terrorism or something.

Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 5, 2021

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