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Doctor Jeep posted:the only way a tv show could do justice to the material is if it treated the books as the diary of a delusional person and while the narration is about him enchanting felurian with the five fingered oval office punch or whatever he did, the video itself shows him being ridden by a middle aged hermit as evil fluffy says Keep Felurian, and all her lines, but have her read them in a wistfully disappointed, insincere tone and have Kvothe be just that oblivious.
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pseudanonymous posted:Good point you’re probably also a famous writer who has won national awards with a large Twitter following who enjoys dogpiling writers on the basis of the title of their works and then claims successfully deplatforming someone using your zealous mob is actually a good thing because you know, without having read a single word of the text that it’s “bad art”. NK wasn't even involved until after it all happened. Stop repeating poo poo you know nothing about. She didn't even aim criticism at the author. She asked people to tell her what they thought, and when they started getting aggressive about the author, she deleted the thread and said she was doing it because that was what she didn't want to happen. EDIT: Also the book was 'deplatformed' before she even involved. Though it was 'deplatformed' in the sense that the author took it down herself with permission from the editor, who said he had every right to deny her and leave it up, and is very willing to put it back up and any other story of hers the moment she's fine with it. Kchama fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Kchama posted:EDIT: Also the book was 'deplatformed' before she even involved. Though it was 'deplatformed' in the sense that the author took it down herself with permission from the editor, Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:All I know is that I get bombarded by enough attack helicopter poo poo that I don't have the time or the will to look closely at each individual one and see which ones are subversive under the surface.
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Cancel Culture is hiding under your bed, with Antifa On-topic: I believe that Patrick Rothfuss’ writing is bad, so bad as to be unintentionally hilarious. I hope he never publishes the third volume of KK. Unlike most of my hopes for the future, this one is a fairly safe bet, and I find that oddly comforting.
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pentyne posted:In an actual discussion of accusing someone of not reading into the facts before making aggressive statements, several people in this thread have done exact the same thing. Seriously, is there a particular reason why this thread suddenly became a magnet for drive-by shitposts about "lol Jemisin sucks" and/or kramering in to rehash hyperbolic and easily falsifiable critiques of her tweets?
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eXXon posted:Seriously, is there a particular reason why this thread suddenly became a magnet for drive-by shitposts about "lol Jemisin sucks" and/or kramering in to rehash hyperbolic and easily falsifiable critiques of her tweets? You already know the answer that you seek. (Hint: How did Donald “Biff Tanner” Trump become President of the USA?) Content: I just double-checked, and Patrick Rothfuss is still bad at writing.
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Dienes posted:Keep Felurian, and all her lines, but have her read them in a wistfully disappointed, insincere tone and have Kvothe be just that oblivious. also the chronicler is a lovely journalist about to lose his job at "the [name of country] chronicle" for faking articles so he decides to try his luck one more time with mclovin, bast is just a regular guy faking being a fae to get a free place to sleep
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Really not sure how I'm a Trumper or whatever for saying that the takeaway from that situation should not be that she was asking for it.
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Doctor Jeep posted:also the chronicler is a lovely journalist about to lose his job at "the [name of country] chronicle" for faking articles so he decides to try his luck one more time with mclovin, bast is just a regular guy faking being a fae to get a free place to sleep ... also, Kvothe was not raised by Roma/Travellers, but rather by a cheesy cosplay group who, for profit, romanticized and exploited the real "Roma" culture in this universe. Think Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Kvothe/McLovin was just too dense to realize this. I really think we're onto something here!
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These are all great and funny and I'd easily read said trilogy.
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pseudanonymous posted:What if you were, say, not a sex-haver, and then, someone wrote a character that was obviously a self-insert chubbie neckbeard who was magically the best at everything, magic included, and then that guy had sex. With a sex goddess. And he was such a good sex-haver, the sex goddess, who usually sexed guys to death, didn't sex the self-insert to death. My sex life is a wasteland and I still find this tedious.
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The biggest bummer about the Kvothe books, other than Rothfuss’ dogshit prose, is that the idea of “legendary figure tells his own story and reveals it is all bullshit” is actually a really fun concept for a tight, 200-300 page novel... and that’s not what we got.
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Alternatively, just replace Kvothe with Hunter S. Thompson and everything flows from there. All the stupid bullshit would be so much more amusing when further exaggerated in a gonzo style. Bast and Chronicler trying to lock him in a room away from his cocaine so he'll finish his story, Thompson freaking out about adrenochrome when that loanshark wants to steel some of his blood. EDIT: I feel like this is generally a good way to improve any book: just have Hunter S. Thompson write it. Someone should start a petition. Karia fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Kchama posted:NK wasn't even involved until after it all happened. Stop repeating poo poo you know nothing about. She didn't even aim criticism at the author. She asked people to tell her what they thought, and when they started getting aggressive about the author, she deleted the thread and said she was doing it because that was what she didn't want to happen. If someone wants to put together a NKJ thread, she really does deserve one, but I don't have the time to give it the OP it deserves. She occasionally fucks up, like everyone, and that should be examined, but also she has a ton of people wanting to crucify her every time she does because she's an outspoken black woman in the fantasy genre and the fantasy genre is full of racist misogynist fucks in the fandom, the authorship, and the industry, and it's hard to extricate responses to her actual mistakes with responses to her based on those. edit: We have a thread for Kvothe but not Octavia Butler lol
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Jaxyon posted:If someone wants to put together a NKJ thread, she really does deserve one, but I don't have the time to give it the OP it deserves. Is this going to be about her books or the worthless wasteland of Twitter?
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Is this going to be about her books or the worthless wasteland of Twitter? It's going to be about Octavia Butler's posting on twitter
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Doctor Faustine posted:The biggest bummer about the Kvothe books, other than Rothfuss’ dogshit prose, is that the idea of “legendary figure tells his own story and reveals it is all bullshit” is actually a really fun concept for a tight, 200-300 page novel... and that’s not what we got. This concept but every other chapter is the equivalent of a Politifact/Snopes article
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It could be a future historian doing commentary on Chronicle's recording of Kvothe's narrative with copious footnotes for every chapter explaining what was actually going on. That reminded me of Pale Fire in which the footnotes then morph into their own insane story. Great book.
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Jaxyon posted:edit: We have a thread for Kvothe but not Octavia Butler lol We have a thread crucifying and endlessly dunking on Rothfuss. Just having a thread isn’t necessarily good or bad.
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Doctor Jeep posted:also the chronicler is a lovely journalist about to lose his job at "the [name of country] chronicle" for faking articles so he decides to try his luck one more time with mclovin, bast is just a regular guy faking being a fae to get a free place to sleep Bast is actually a world renowned adventurer and magic user who used mastery of their own true name to change their appearance so that they can live a quiet life in a random village and works for a tavern owner with delusions of grandeur because it helps keep anyone from caring to dig in to his own background. Doctor Faustine posted:The biggest bummer about the Kvothe books, other than Rothfuss’ dogshit prose, is that the idea of “legendary figure tells his own story and reveals it is all bullshit” is actually a really fun concept for a tight, 200-300 page novel... and that’s not what we got. Worse, the first book actually does go and show some legends were bullshit and how Kvothe faked it, or people just overreacted (I forget if the cocaine dragon is book 1 or 2). Then the 2nd book goes "  all the legends are true and I kick rear end." Not only is the 2nd book extremely bad in its own right but it goes and undoes some of the few interesting things from the first book and just turn him in to the generic badass of legend he initially says doesn't exist.
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Ccs posted:It could be a future historian doing commentary on Chronicle's recording of Kvothe's narrative with copious footnotes for every chapter explaining what was actually going on. This would be cool and good. Rothfuss could absolutely never pull it off. Who would be the best author working right now to do it, do you think?
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pseudanonymous posted:We have a thread crucifying and endlessly dunking on Rothfuss. Just having a thread isn’t necessarily good or bad. I'm not saying it is. I'm saying it reflects the level of interest. TheGreatEvilKing posted:Is this going to be about her books or the worthless wasteland of Twitter? The books, which I enjoy. But I expect a bunch of "I hate Brie Larson because her acting is terrible and not at all because she talked about racism and misogyny" takes too. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Doctor Faustine posted:This would be cool and good. Rothfuss could absolutely never pull it off. Who would be the best author working right now to do it, do you think? KJ Parker has used the "future historian afterword on the text" thing but he doesn't use footnotes. Susanna Clarke is a master of footnotes to flesh out a world, it would be interesting if she wrote a book like that. But she's been working on a sequel to Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell for decades. Maybe I'll enter nanowrimo some year and write a book like that.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Bast is actually a world renowned adventurer and magic user who used mastery of their own true name to change their appearance so that they can live a quiet life in a random village and works for a tavern owner with delusions of grandeur because it helps keep anyone from caring to dig in to his own background. I still think that if he were a good writer then he'd have done that on purpose and we'd have a trilogy where the first book was about how legends grown in the telling, the second was about legends about him that were accurate, and the third was about legends where the truth was even more insane than the legend said. But he is not a good writer.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:An angry mob got it removed from its platform, by harassing the author until she gave in. Nothing about it was voluntary. Is it specifically deplatforming? No, but who gives a poo poo? Doesn't make it any less vile. Deplatforming means something different than what happened is the thing. "Harassed until she took down her story" is different from "Publishers refuse to publish their stories due to backlash". Publishers are in fact very fine with publishing her stories. She just doesn't want to because people harassed her. It's a difference that matters and being accurate in your speech is important, since otherwise people can attack you through your impreciseness and use it to deny what happened.
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Notahippie posted:I still think that if he were a good writer then he'd have done that on purpose and we'd have a trilogy where the first book was about how legends grown in the telling, the second was about legends about him that were accurate, and the third was about legends where the truth was even more insane than the legend said. But he is not a good writer. The second book is such an amazing mess. This review of it is hilarious: https://www.pornokitsch.com/2011/06/new-releases-the-wise-mans-fear-by-patrick-rothfuss.html
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Ccs posted:The second book is such an amazing mess. This review of it is hilarious: https://www.pornokitsch.com/2011/06/new-releases-the-wise-mans-fear-by-patrick-rothfuss.html quote:The conclusion? Kvothe sulks. After hundreds of hours of reading, he's learned nothing new. This is a sentiment the reader can easily appreciate. 
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Ok, let's move on from Jemisin discussion here since it's not on topic for this thread. Thanks all.
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Notahippie posted:I still think that if he were a good writer then he'd have done that on purpose and we'd have a trilogy where the first book was about how legends grown in the telling, the second was about legends about him that were accurate, and the third was about legends where the truth was even more insane than the legend said. But he is not a good writer. You can read to the end of book 1, believing fully in the potential of the mystery box style of story telling and the idea of the unreliable narrator, and think there's a master plan in place. You get to the end of book 2, with (allegedly) 1 more 'day' to go in telling the story, and pretty much see no reasonable outcome that would make any sense, that 90% of the legends and myths about him haven't even been mentioned, he's in year 2 of 4-5 year magic college, and everything about female characters and sex is gross in a way that is made worse by the florid prose to describe it. By that point any belief in a long game of storytelling is wishful thinking, and the last 10 years of Rothfuss talking about it only reinforces the idea he's a hack who got lucky because of a friend with a publishing company.
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pentyne posted:You can read to the end of book 1, believing fully in the potential of the mystery box style of story telling and the idea of the unreliable narrator, and think there's a master plan in place. I mean, if it was a Black and White Space Marine on a Black and White Bike situation playing out over 3,000 pages, I would tip my
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pentyne posted:You can read to the end of book 1, believing fully in the potential of the mystery box style of story telling and the idea of the unreliable narrator, and think there's a master plan in place. I think my favorite gently caress You in the 2nd book was the "I encountered pirates and got shipwrecked and all this crazy poo poo happened but you know that already so let's get to me meeting the Mayor and helping him marry my rear end in a top hat aunt."
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Kchama posted:I always got the impression that Rothfuss just never thought out any of these scenes that would require effort and even consequences, hence the skipping after them. He wrote the novel like it was a D&D campaign, and anyone who's played with a GM with the same mentality as Rothfuss knows that they talk a huge game about how amazing their design is, but if they get called out on stuff not making sense it comes out that it's ~70% completely made up on the spot and they get extremely angry when anyone points it out. In this case it's even worse because there's no group of people to argue with him about outcomes, rules, or plausible situations he's writing both the setting and the "main character" and still manages to just fly by the seat of his pants.
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Benson Cunningham posted:I mean, if it was a Black and White Space Marine on a Black and White Bike situation playing out over 3,000 pages, I would tip my Is this still a reference people get or am I a grognard now?
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is this still a reference people get or am I a grognard now? Grognard. I had to look it up.
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I first encountered it in a web-comic in like 2001.
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