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azflyboy posted:By my count, that's the second gender reveal plane crash (and the first fatal one), so combined with the deaths from cannons and various wildfires set by those stupid things, I fear it's just a matter of time until we get a gender reveal nuclear detonation. Have science ever told us if covid is pink or blue? If so, I have a theory.
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PCjr sidecar posted:Have science ever told us if covid is pink or blue? If so, I have a theory. It’s too small to meaningfully interact with visible light.
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Platystemon posted:It’s too small to meaningfully interact with visible light. That’s what she said.
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Platystemon posted:It’s too small to meaningfully interact with visible light. Sounds closer to blue then.
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This may be a bit of an insane question but is there any realistic scenario that I could acquire a T-6 Texan II and fly it as a civilian? I really liked the look of the things when visiting the brother's flight school down in Pensacola, but as best I can tell there isn't a non-military variant. I'd assume that even if there was some way I could get my hands on one it would be prohibitively expensive to maintain and keep flyable.
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I don't think I've ever heard of one being sold as surplus, but some Pilatus PC-9s (the plane it's based off of) have. There is a PC-7 on trade-a-plane for under a million. https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Turboprop&make=PILATUS&model=PC-7&listing_id=2392607&s-type=aircraft
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Warbird posted:This may be a bit of an insane question but is there any realistic scenario that I could acquire a T-6 Texan II and fly it as a civilian? I really liked the look of the things when visiting the brother's flight school down in Pensacola, but as best I can tell there isn't a non-military variant. I'd assume that even if there was some way I could get my hands on one it would be prohibitively expensive to maintain and keep flyable. If a dude can do it with AV-88 Harrier... I have faith in you.
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SNiPER_Magnum posted:I don't think I've ever heard of one being sold as surplus, but some Pilatus PC-9s (the plane it's based off of) have. There is a PC-7 on trade-a-plane for under a million. That would likely scratch the same itch. Is a million a lot for a plane? Like it’s a drat lot of money period, but I don’t have a frame of reference for airframe cost that isn’t funded by my taxes.
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Warbird posted:That would likely scratch the same itch. Is a million a lot for a plane? Like it’s a drat lot of money period, but I don’t have a frame of reference for airframe cost that isn’t funded by my taxes. For a 35 year old turboprop $1mil is around par, but it's the operating costs that will really kill you
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Getting a Mustang vibe.
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Warbird posted:This may be a bit of an insane question but is there any realistic scenario that I could acquire a T-6 Texan II and fly it as a civilian? I really liked the look of the things when visiting the brother's flight school down in Pensacola, but as best I can tell there isn't a non-military variant. I'd assume that even if there was some way I could get my hands on one it would be prohibitively expensive to maintain and keep flyable. Possible sure, but take a long look at this price list: https://www.pwc.ca/en/products-and-...verhaul-program
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hobbesmaster posted:Possible sure, but take a long look at this price list: https://www.pwc.ca/en/products-and-...verhaul-program Hah, I have zero frame of reference for what plane maintenance costs and I was not prepared for that first sentence.
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Apr 1, 2021 16:14
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That’s what turbines cost. Take at least one zero off for a piston depending on what you need done.
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Cojawfee posted:The old days of analog phones had great quality audio. Things sound lovely on phones now because cell phones happened and they had to compress the audio so cell phones could handle it. *puts on telecom hat* Like Platyslemon pointed out, telephone calls have been heavily compressed since digital trunks became a thing, long before digital cellular phones became a thing. The standard codec used on ISDN, T1, etc. is G.711. There are two different regional variants of this that optimize for different frequency ranges, but in either case it's a nonlinear 8 bit PCM running at 8 kHz which provides a useful range from roughly 300-3400Hz. If your call travels over a digital element of the actual PSTN it's using one of those two codecs at some point. MrYenko posted:(Very) Occasionally I’ll get an uncompressed call with AT&T and it sounds like the person is standing right next to me. It’s wonderful, when it happens. What you've likely experienced is a wideband call, which have been a thing in the VoIP world for about 15 years and more recently made it to cellular thanks to VoLTE (which is more or less VoIP over a prioritized LTE data channel) Most carriers brand wideband calls as "HD voice" and it's generally only available within a carrier's network, though there are some instances where wideband calls can cross between directly peered carriers. Wideband audio with a good handset or headset is like having the other party in your head.
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wolrah posted:*puts on telecom hat*  Thanks for this. AT&T in south Florida still sucks, though.
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jammyozzy posted:Hah, I have zero frame of reference for what plane maintenance costs and I was not prepared for that first sentence. When I was using my google account a lot for work, I'd get targeted ads all the time for stuff like "Save $340,000 USD on your next pair of engine overhauls!" Yeah, you can SAVE a third of a million dollars. With this coupon code. It's like the mattress company giving you $300 off a $3000 mattress. To be fair, any time a company is shipping you a pair of engines in boxes via ground freight and you just send your engines back in those same boxes, costs are gonna add up and it's nice to save a buck or three (hundred thousand).
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KodiakRS posted:Me: Puts on overpriced but otherwise very good bose A20s and makes sure they're paired to my phone One time our helpdesk phone system had some issue, so I called the operator's support line. For 30 minutes I listened on a loop the same song we subject our own users to.
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hobbesmaster posted:Possible sure, but take a long look at this price list: https://www.pwc.ca/en/products-and-...verhaul-program Let me pull out the 'certified rebuild' costs from Hastings Deering for Cat Haul Trucks...
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Humphreys posted:Let me pull out the 'certified rebuild' costs from Hastings Deering for Cat Haul Trucks... I wonder if there are more pt6as or off highway mining trucks in the world.
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Humphreys posted:Let me pull out the 'certified rebuild' costs from Hastings Deering for Cat Haul Trucks... Please do. I've always said that "airplane prices" are in a realm most can't fathom; I'd like to see some truly large numbers. I think what gets me most about airplane parts prices is how relatable all the components are. AC Delco starter? $30 from NAPA. Get one with an FAA stamp and it's $3000. Fifty dollar light bulbs are common. Hundred-dollar individual screws. Small baggie of gaskets and o-rings and a fuel filter labelled "100 hour kit" for $300. You don't even use all the gaskets! There are parts left over in this three hundred dollar kit! "It's a GPS receiver," you say to yourself. "I can get a really good one for my car for under a thousand bucks at Best Buy." You then wonder why this apparently-identical unit from Garmin Aviation costs twenty grand, and you still gotta pay over a thousand bucks a year for the maps for it!
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hobbesmaster posted:That’s what turbines cost. Take at least one zero off for a piston depending on what you need done. Yeah, even the lycomings used in smaller planes are going to run you $15-25k+ depending on the amount of work you can do yourself. Planes are very expensive for upkeep and you cannot let something slide if you value your life.
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That’s the funny thing about GPS, everyone is so used to cellphones that can seed your approximate location from the tower it’s connected to, download the ephemeris data and snap to a road that they don’t realize a dirt cheap GPS receiver is “only” good to like 100 ft.
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I was futzing about with drone mapping for a bit and was dismayed to find out how much it costs to get cm specific location data from “good” GPS as well as how long you have to let it sit there and average on top of that. I had hoped a USB GPS receiver I had bought for other stuff might have worked but holy moly no it won’t.
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Hello I'm the founder and CEO of Disruption Avionics. I'm asking for $2 billion in VC funding for my new airline GPS system. We can reduce your startup and turnaround times by replacing your current GPS systems with an Now your aircraft will have precise* location instantly on start just like cars can do everyday! No need to wait. Our proprietary navigation software** will also give your flight crews increased spatial awareness in all flight conditions. And best of all its free*** to use! Put your system in your planes today****! * +/- 100 feet ** Google Maps *** Pop up ads required with free option. Hardware not included. ****Available in 3-5 years.
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Apr 1, 2021 18:11
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Hundred-dollar individual screws. One of my clients makes fasteners for aviation. One time when I was at their main facility troubleshooting some paging systems I was in the middle of building a simracing setup at home and joked to their IT guy about how much they'd charge me for a few large bolts I was having trouble finding at the local hardware stores. He led me over to a big bin and told me that this entire batch had some kind of been made with materials that turned out to have a paperwork problem, as a result they were effectively worthless to the company and were going to be destroyed so I could rummage through and take what I wanted. And that's how I ended up with what would have been thousands of dollars worth of bolts holding together the rig I played Forza on.
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My dad worked at a company that made some of the earliest hand held GPS devices. It was like wizardry getting your coordinates on a hand held device in the early 90s. A couple of years later he got one with a map built in (not so portable) and put it on our boat and would record the routes we'd take.
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Question: What's the difference between a part that costs $5 at home depot and one that costs $1,000 from an aviation parts supplier? Answer: $995
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Apr 1, 2021 18:39
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Warbird posted:I was futzing about with drone mapping for a bit and was dismayed to find out how much it costs to get cm specific location data from “good” GPS as well as how long you have to let it sit there and average on top of that. I had hoped a USB GPS receiver I had bought for other stuff might have worked but holy moly no it won’t. About $600. It's not that bad. Depends on how much tinkering you want to do. More turnkey RTK-GPS systems will run $1000+
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KodiakRS posted:Question: What's the difference between a part that costs $5 at home depot and one that costs $1,000 from an aviation parts supplier? Jokes aside there are actually usually metallurgical differences. For aviation you’re paying for absolute certainty that a particular process was followed and that someone is signing off on that.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:I think what gets me most about airplane parts prices is how relatable all the components are. AC Delco starter? $30 from NAPA. Get one with an FAA stamp and it's $3000. Fifty dollar light bulbs are common. Hundred-dollar individual screws. Small baggie of gaskets and o-rings and a fuel filter labelled "100 hour kit" for $300. ] $135 for a 2" x 3" piece of stamped sheet steel with some silkscreened graphics.  Because those little notches in the metal are a calibrated part of the flap system, you see.
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Are they really? I guess it’s not the most ridiculous price if you have to use a CMM on each one. Hell it might even be low for that.
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I have no idea what the production process is, but yes, the flap sender is an analog device and the only feature purportedly letting you select 10/20/30 degrees accurately is the step in the gate lining up correctly with the handle.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:About $600. It's not that bad. Depends on how much tinkering you want to do. More turnkey RTK-GPS systems will run $1000+ You don’t say? PM me a link or the like if you have one. That’s still way too much for my bullshit, but I might get lucky on ebay or something.
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A place I worked at made 3D measurement equipment and while nobody batted an eye at a $25,000 camera there was a lot of pushback for a verification block for something like $499 despite that being the lowest margin thing sold because it had features on it characterized to well under a thou. The time required for that precision from a traceable instrument meant the little chunk of metal was like $300 or something to manufacture.
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KodiakRS posted:Question: What's the difference between a part that costs $5 at home depot and one that costs $1,000 from an aviation parts supplier? Even things not installed directly on aircraft are more expensive. For example I bought a led flashlight at Home Depot for about $10. A few weeks later I saw the exact same light being offered in a pilot catalog for $100.
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Sagebrush posted:$135 for a 2" x 3" piece of stamped sheet steel with some silkscreened graphics. Not only that, but the words printed on there are specifically detailed in the Type Certificate Data Sheet and must appear, verbatim, in those precise locations. In those precise colors.
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So I work primarily on a particular piece of avionics equipment. Just doing some napkin math we make 50 of these a month with 9 dedicated employees not counting support staff. 160 work hours a month times 9 employees is 1440 man hours a month to make 50 units, 30 hours per unit at a guesstimate shop rate of $100/hour and that's roughly 3000 just in labor to build and test this box from its subcomponents, and that's for a relatively simple piece of equipment. Planes are expensive, but they don't crash as often as cars
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You can get rtk put together for about 100$ now. The key is buying some salvaged NEO-M8T modules off ebay. I got 5 of these for 12$ each. Throw those on a breakout board, fire up rtkilib, and you've got cm positioning. Some assembly required.
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Zero One posted:Hello I'm the founder and CEO of Disruption Avionics. I'm asking for $2 billion in VC funding for my new airline GPS system. We can reduce your startup and turnaround times by replacing your current GPS systems with an
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hobbesmaster posted:Jokes aside there are actually usually metallurgical differences. For aviation you’re paying for absolute certainty that a particular process was followed and that someone is signing off on that. Then you learn that that all the paperwork relating to your submarine hulls was forged.
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