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Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

Mokotow posted:

To no-one’s surprise, Navalny is badly ill and his lawyers can’t get to him :rip:

For gently caress's sake

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Mokotow posted:

To no-one’s surprise, Navalny is badly ill and his lawyers can’t get to him :rip:
Man that's pretty weird, as if anyone who gets into a russian jail suddenly becomes very ill :thunk:


jonnypeh posted:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Poland 716.70
Czechia 1328.25
Estonia 1520.79
Finland 172.86
:negative:
Thanks, Estonia!

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
I think my optimism is finally dead. Or rather it's in deep hibernation again along with Belarusian protests. Tikhanovskaya's team urged people to get back to the streets, but first nothing notable happened on March 25 (Freedom Day), and then nothing happened again today. 750,000 voted in telegram and viber in support of Tikhanovskaya's plan for negotiations with the regime, but clearly those numbers didn't translate into any meaningful street activity. In those two days the police still have arrested several hundred people, but they just basically plucked random passer-by one by one, targeted journalists, or arrested activists at their own homes.

They clearly spend a lot of time on monitoring telegram channels and whatnot. If in the first days of the protest the protesters were way ahead of the police in organising large quantities of people, now it's practically impossible to organise even a tiny local march without the police either arresting everyone on the spot, or coming for you later. And they don't even need to prove anything in court. Just yesterday a random guy got 30 days in prison for being in the vicinity of someone launching fireworks (which is now considered an illegal political gathering, of course). The policeman didn't see him do it, there were no other witnesses, but he still was found guilty, because he had telegram installed, and in one of the channels he was a member of someone else simply mentioned fireworks as an idea how to celebrate the Freedom Day.

Paladinus fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 27, 2021

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/serbia-hands-over-remains-of-us-stealth-plane-shot-down-in-1999-zvezda/

sad, to see it go. rip.


Pajser
Jan 28, 2006

Doctor Malaver posted:

Croatia Show!

X - X - * - X - X

Zagreb's mayor of 20 years died of heart attack three weeks ago, just three months before local elections. He was ultra-corrupt and many were hoping he'll finally lose the elections and go to prison. As soon as he died, rumors and memes started spreading about a deadly cocaine/viagra/young lover combination. At the same time, his friends were very eager to tell in detail how he died at a dinner at their place. Ambulance logs and other details began to surface, which proved that he was in fact at the home of his young blonde associate. The one he was spotted with recently at a fur coat shop, for which he offered no explanation. Then some activist brought criminal charges against the lover because she had apparently panicked and fumbled around, calling mutual friends and hoping he'll come to, instead of calling the ambulance immediately. In theory that can be constructed as a refusal to provide life-saving aid, which is a criminal offense. So by law the police has to investigate.



It's schadenfreude but I welcome all the poo poo that will tarnish his image because in 10 years people will start remembering him fondly.

X - X - * - X - X

Only days after that, Zdravko Mamić and his brother Zoran got a non-appealable sentence. Zdravko is the capo of Dinamo Zagreb and Croatian football in general, and Zoran was Dinamo's manager. Zdravko was as corrupt as Bandić but in a different way. His wealth came mostly from taking illegal cuts from Dinamo players' transfers (including Luka Modrić, Dejan Lovren, etc) and treating Dinamo as his personal property even though it's formally a citizens association. This of course includes bribing game officials, influencing who'll play in the national team, etc.

A few years ago he got a first degree (appealable) verdict so he made a move that's popular among Croatian crooked politicians and businessmen - he moved to Bosnia. It's easy to get a dual citizenship and Bosnia doesn't extradite their citizens. From Bosnia he appealed and remained active, including for instance leading prayers at the Međugorje pilgrimage.

The sentence was announced only a day before Dinamo played against Tottenham in the Europa league. Zoran, a member of his brother's criminal organization but also a competent manager, immediately resigned. His team, managed by Zoran's assistant, trashed Mourinho's side 3-0 and kicked them out the competition.

Zdravko, a narcissist loud-mouth that he is, decided he's taking everyone with him. It turns out he gave last fall extremely detailed information about bribing the judges who worked on his case to the anti-corruption agency. They didn't do anything with it and now that the hammer fell, he posted it all on Facebook. The level of detail is amazing, and includes embarrassing details like taking this judge and his lover and the lover's daughter to Dubai (all dates, hotels, receipts available), and giving that judge Louis Vuitton shoes, etc. This goes to the President of the Supreme Court. Zdravko continues to post information and memes every couple of hours, under #reformapravosuđa. That's like Al Capone posting from Mexico under #judiciaryreform.


Zdravko Mamić tearing off Dinamo t-shirt in happier times. Mario Mandžukić in the background.

X - X - * - X - X

I challenge you all to post something as embarrassing as this from your country...

If it makes you feel any better, the sanest prime minister in all of europe decided to rage quit a debate in the EU parliament, because they wouldn't play his latest anime music video.

It's funny, not the first time he has acted out like this, probably not his last. He and his party have realized, that nobody gives a poo poo about anything anymore, so they can just do stuff they pick up from american politics since there aren't any consequences.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT
Seems the russians trust the sputnik vaccine less than foreigners do.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-poll-idUSKBN2AT2XK

quote:

Over 60% of Russians don't want Sputnik V vaccine, see coronavirus as biological weapon:

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Nearly two thirds of Russians are not willing to receive Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine, and about the same number believe the new coronavirus was created artificially as a biological weapon, an independent pollster said on Monday.

The Levada Center said a poll it conducted last month showed that 62% of people did not want to get Russia’s domestically produced vaccine, and that the highest level of reluctance was identified among 18 to 24-year-olds.

Most respondents cited side effects -- which can include fever and fatigue -- as the main reason for not wanting to get vaccinated.

The poll, which sampled 1,601 people in 50 regions, also found that 64% of people thought the new coronavirus was created as a biological weapon.

The origin of COVID-19 has been highly politicised, but the majority of virologists and infectious disease experts say it is most likely to have evolved naturally.

A World Health Organization (WHO) mission to China said last month that it was not looking further into whether the virus escaped from a lab, which it considered highly unlikely.

The mission has said its main hypotheses are that the virus originated in a bat, although there are several possible scenarios for how it passed to humans, possibly first by infecting another species of animal.

The belief that the virus was created as a biological weapon is predominant in Russians aged 40-54, with 71% of them holding that view, the poll found. Only 23% think the virus emerged naturally.

Russia, which has recorded nearly 4.3 million coronavirus cases since the start of the pandemic, has approved three vaccines against COVID-19.

The country of around 145 million people launched a mass vaccination campaign with Sputnik V in December. On Feb. 10, Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said that more than two million Russians have been vaccinated with at least the first dose of Sputnik V.

I know that russians don't generally trust their government's honesty, but it still seems quite high.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I am pretty sure they've been running a lot of propaganda against American vaccines, and, well, I am also pretty sure that a random Russian will actually trust an American-made thing over a Russian-made one.

Also underreporting covid deaths by like 6x probably doesn't help public interest.

Edit: also Putin refused to answer what vaccine he used.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

OddObserver posted:

Edit: also Putin refused to answer what vaccine he used.

This one is truly mystifying. It's such an easy PR stunt, and they somehow fumbled it. Just say it was Sputnik, who cares? Unless Putin is secretly dying from the vaccine, and now they're trying to hide which vaccine is the bad one, there is literally no reason not to. The funny thing is, the most vocal proponents of Sputnik vaccines are probably the Russian opposition.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

Paladinus posted:

This one is truly mystifying. It's such an easy PR stunt, and they somehow fumbled it. Just say it was Sputnik, who cares? Unless Putin is secretly dying from the vaccine, and now they're trying to hide which vaccine is the bad one, there is literally no reason not to. The funny thing is, the most vocal proponents of Sputnik vaccines are probably the Russian opposition.

could be because there are several russian vaccines and he didnt want people to wait to get the same one he did

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Vasukhani posted:

could be because there are several russian vaccines and he didnt want people to wait to get the same one he did

He still could say it was Sputnik.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Rincewinds posted:

Seems the russians trust the sputnik vaccine less than foreigners do.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-poll-idUSKBN2AT2XK


I know that russians don't generally trust their government's honesty, but it still seems quite high.

Well, Putin did spend two decades enforcing and nurturing a conspiratorial mindset in one the largest and most diverse nation-states on the planet. Plus, couldn't have helped how forceful the government was about launching the vaccine early last summer/fall.

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.
We know how lovely everyone works. Even doctors who work in the covid-field (now) refuse to take sputnik because they do not believe that it has been properly tested for how fast they rolled it out.
On the other hand Levada center did a poll among 1600 people. Sample size is too small.
I doubt many people who are careful, wear masks and generally evade contacting people on streets will be responding to a poll. From personal experience - all the people who were vaccinated I know of are either WFH or go to work and back by car and generally avoid outside contacts let alone on the street.
So IMO numbers indeed are heavily skewed towards careless generic joe vasya.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Paladinus posted:

I think my optimism is finally dead. Or rather it's in deep hibernation again along with Belarusian protests. Tikhanovskaya's team urged people to get back to the streets, but first nothing notable happened on March 25 (Freedom Day), and then nothing happened again today. 750,000 voted in telegram and viber in support of Tikhanovskaya's plan for negotiations with the regime, but clearly those numbers didn't translate into any meaningful street activity. In those two days the police still have arrested several hundred people, but they just basically plucked random passer-by one by one, targeted journalists, or arrested activists at their own homes.


I am not so sure about that. Preventing march 25 action was their priority nr 1, they did it and now what? Situation is not defused, they have to be vigilant for next such date or some spontaneous cause. Regime's resources are being spent to keep the lid on street actions ignoring everything else and these resources are not being replenished, they keep being spent. If the grip slips I feel marches will resume as new because: 1. people like it (aside from being beaten) 2. Nothing was done to deal with reasons for protests, if anything there are more reasons now. Also, don't forget about Luka himself, this "revolution" is at least halfway his own doing due to mistakes and decisions he made and he seems to be stuck on that path.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




If Putin has a heart attack and drops dead tomorrow, who is the most likely person to win the inevitable power struggle?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

If Putin has a heart attack and drops dead tomorrow, who is the most likely person to win the inevitable power struggle?

The difficulty of answering that question for literally anyone is, by design, a large part of why Putin hasn’t dropped dead yet.

TasogareNoKagi
Jul 11, 2013

Discendo Vox posted:

The difficulty of answering that question for literally anyone is, by design, a large part of why Putin hasn’t dropped dead yet.

Worked for Stalin. Until it didn't.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

TasogareNoKagi posted:

Worked for Stalin. Until it didn't.

It completely worked for Stalin

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Unless you think it's suspicious for a 74 year old man to die of a stroke

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Continuity RCP posted:

Unless you think it's suspicious for a 74 year old man to die of a stroke

Well, he was famously paranoid, stressed and obese so not really.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

If Putin has a heart attack and drops dead tomorrow, who is the most likely person to win the inevitable power struggle?

Unknown, there are no political or biological heirs and last year they passed the constitutional changes that let him rule for several more elections, so it pretty much looks like he's intent on living forever, leading Russia to to its historic glory, celebrating the Great Victory day each year.

Formally the prime-minister is next in succession who is an apolitical technocrat of the liberal block and the inevitable power struggle will be something. The whole apparatus is built dependent on one guy, there are no independent state institutions and free press is badly repressed as well as the network of liberal parties trying to participate in elections, so if Putin suddenly dies there's a good chance the state can't function, the elections held right after that are a sham and we're back to the situation of post-USSR with criminal gangs supplanting the state or the military taking over to keep the state functional enough to feed them. Gonna be fun

In unrelated news, Ukraine continues opening up Soviet archives and making public the information contained there:

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/03/29/vsiu-noch-stoish-po-koleno-v-krovi-i-ia-potreboval-otdykha

While Russia is closing the 1941-1945 archives (opening them was a decision made in the more liberal 2007) and repressing people trying to find out and publish what happened during the great terror to their relatives or to other innocent people:

https://www.currenttime.tv/a/prikaz-shoigu/31167609.html
https://www.svoboda.org/a/31175113.html
https://www.dw.com/ru/zashhita-jurija-dmitrieva-obzhalovala-ego-prigovor-v-espch/a-57054588?maca=rus-tco-dw

The guy in the second link is accused of "Slandering NKVD officers, revealing state secrets, collecting personal information, espionage". I encourage you to perform the mental exercise of imagining this happening in Germany, the state investigating "slandering the gestapo"

Somaen fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Mar 31, 2021

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

MiddleOne posted:

Well, he was famously paranoid, stressed and obese so not really.

Also regularly getting ridiculously wasted to a degree that the security detail drained the pond at his place so neither he nor the Politburo members he was entertaining drowned.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

Somaen posted:

The guy in the second link is accused of "Slandering NKVD officers, revealing state secrets, collecting personal information, espionage". I encourage you to perform the mental exercise of imagining this happening in Germany, the state investigating "slandering the gestapo"

The NKVD still totally recieves respect in Russia, they have a very prominent day of the Chekist, and Putin embraces his KGB past.

Budzilla
Oct 14, 2007

We can all learn from our past mistakes.

Vasukhani posted:

The NKVD still totally recieves respect in Russia, they have a very prominent day of the Chekist, and Putin embraces his KGB past.
To get anywhere in Russia a good way to go is join the intelligence community.

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.
People are being jailed here for literally watching Rammstein music videos, what are you talking about :D
its a full-on police state
ofc they are being jailed because they work with Navalny but the official statement is that

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Russia's been mobilizing assets, and it seems likely they want to take a drat Ukraine setup post Crimea annexation

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1377432142867664899?s=20

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 1, 2021

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

CommieGIR posted:

Russia's been mobilizing assets, and it seems likely they want to take a drat Ukraine setup post Crimea annexation

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1377432142867664899?s=20

Always skeptical of this stuff, seems to be some bilateral condemnations, however the US haven't recalled citizens yet (which is usually the best indicator of poo poo showing up on sats indicating stuffs about to pop off)

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Unlike 2014, when the Ukrainian army was woefully unprepared for any kind of retaliation, and the shaky provisional government struggled to hold power, I doubt Russia will risk an open confrontation now, when Ukraine has its military already concentrated in the region and 100% aware of Russia's movements. It's likely just another round of sabre-rattling as a response to Ukraine's alleged breaches of cease-fire agreements.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

CommieGIR posted:

Russia's been mobilizing assets, and it seems likely they want to take a drat Ukraine setup post Crimea annexation

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1377432142867664899?s=20

Not to be an idiot here, but wouldn't Ukraine just dam the thing further upstream again? Is the idea that the main river itself is unroutable within a relevant time-frame if you seize the entire canal?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

MiddleOne posted:

Not to be an idiot here, but wouldn't Ukraine just dam the thing further upstream again?

It appears that plucky little Russia has no option other than to take over the whole country, it's a heavy burden, but one that can't be avoided :ussr:

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

steinrokkan posted:

It appears that plucky little Russia has no option other than to take over the whole country, it's a heavy burden, but one that can't be avoided :ussr:

Pan slavic water republic

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

MiddleOne posted:

Not to be an idiot here, but wouldn't Ukraine just dam the thing further upstream again? Is the idea that the main river itself is unroutable within a relevant time-frame if you seize the entire canal?

The canal draws from Dnieper itself. Damming the Dnieper would be a major feat, but it would also be a major action for Russia to secure the canal junction. At that point Putin might as well take Kyiv.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
"Russia is in right to police it's neighborhood against Yankee imperialism. If Mexico make friend with Russia, KKKUSA imperialists would invade and change regime, too." :downs:

Of course, the same folks making the "sphere of interest" argument to defend Russia would vehemently decry that hypothetical US intervention in its own sphere.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Its even worse because its a "sphere of influence" to defend an illicit annexation.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


I seriously wonder how much brain damage someone needs to have to make the "Guys it's not imperialism it's a sphere of influence" argument.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I seriously wonder how much brain damage someone needs to have to make the "Guys it's not imperialism it's a sphere of influence" argument.

That's why they show down MH17, it was in their sphere of influence :thunk:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I seriously wonder how much brain damage someone needs to have to make the "Guys it's not imperialism it's a sphere of influence" argument.

10 years on twitter.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I seriously wonder how much brain damage someone needs to have to make the "Guys it's not imperialism it's a sphere of influence" argument.

the National Interest ppl say it is imperialism, and thats okay

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

water for crimea is stored in spheres of influence

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
Either of the right wing Slavic ethnostates controlling the territory is a crime imo. Kick out the jackbooted Cossack colonizers and give the kirimlar right of return.

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madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Zedhe Khoja posted:

Either of the right wing Slavic ethnostates controlling the territory is a crime imo. Kick out the jackbooted Cossack colonizers and give the kirimlar right of return.

Are there any left, after the Soviets, the Germans, and the Soviets again?

gently caress it, bring back the North Pontic Greeks!

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