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Gorson posted:What the gently caress is wrong with these people. If you don't believe better things are possible and should shoot for the loving moon always then you are a liberal not a lefty. I don't think that's what she's saying. I think she's saying, "Don't be a reactionary, we can't achieve socialism that way." Demanding utopia is inherently reactionary, it doesn't worry about how to get from point A to point B, only that it's destination is arrived. You can do big things without doing the biggest things.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:borders didn't exist as they do today as recently as like 150 years ago Ok John Lennon
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https://twitter.com/MaryMeadeSmith/status/1377454682105393153?s=19 There's always timing
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:borders didn't exist as they do today as recently as like 150 years ago this has some real "we had to teach the primitives" vibes, not gonna lie i assure you, cultures were detaining and/or killing outsiders for trespassing on their cultural or political borders long before white people left europe or european capitalism even came into conception distrust and fear of outsiders is a powerful human emotion that money didn't invent and adequately positive politics can't (easily) solve Mirthless has issued a correction as of 20:46 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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loquacius posted:There's always timing
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"as they do today"
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:"as they do today" tell that to literally anyone who trespassed on the borders of japan until they were told they had to stop borders are lines on a map and they have always mattered to the sovereigns who claim them, and the free traffic of foreigners has been relevant to many cultures before the rise of modern capitalism or global trade Mirthless has issued a correction as of 20:51 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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I actually think sawant will be ok because as much as libs suck the ones around here at least make a big deal about hating big corporations and everyone knows it's amazon that wants her gone.
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Mirthless posted:I don't think that's what she's saying. I think she's saying, "Don't be a reactionary, we can't achieve socialism that way." There was a time when she had no problem demanding utopia. Thats the problem. We all know change is hard to accomplish, but she's gone from wanting the best results to justifying no steps. Abolishonists didn't spend time advocating for access to freedom, or a look at the institution of slavery closer to see what can be fixed, they loving asked for the abolishing of slavery full stop. Did they have a clear point a to b? gently caress no just abolish slavery and deal with it.
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1377652851191787532 Partial credit I suppose for acknowledging US imperialism is devastating the world, but it's extremely gross that she's basically saying "US imperialism is bad because it makes immigrants want to come to the US". Even The Most Progressive Representative in Congress is saying immigration is bad and must be cracked down on.
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Moon Shrimp posted:I actually think sawant will be ok because as much as libs suck the ones around here at least make a big deal about hating big corporations and everyone knows it's amazon that wants her gone. I mean they say the words to hate big corporations but when push comes to shove they'll side with Amazon over the scary socialist every time I hope I am wrong!
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greyjoybastard seems like a really thinskinned baby. what was the avatar?
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my bony fealty posted:I mean they say the words to hate big corporations but when push comes to shove they'll side with Amazon over the scary socialist every time Nah, she got a big boost in the last election specifically because amazon came out hard against her, iirc.
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Huge lmfao at libs always trying to cancel the Onion of all things in the comments of every Biden twitter post they make
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Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching 
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Ytlaya posted:You can disagree as long as you acknowledge that the person you disagree with (either the poster or politician) is a good person and their ideas aren't actually bad/harmful. So in the immigration thread if you advanced an argument like "I think it would be better if Biden did this, but Biden is doing his best" that would be acceptable, but it's unacceptable to actually argue that the Biden administration doesn't have good intentions. The ideal D&D solution is the Tesla model where people start a post about how their car exploded and killed their entire family and end it with "still love the car!"
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Judakel posted:greyjoybastard seems like a really thinskinned baby. what was the avatar? It was a picture of a MAGA hat with big red text saying something like MOD HAT!! and a search link to one of his pre-2021 posts about the border concentration camps, and because it was a search link the search term "concentration camps" was highlighted
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching Poop touching is the worst april fool's prank
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching Seems anyone who would is probed already
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This is literally just taking the comic and saying "this but unironically" but with extra work put in. What the hell
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching Take it to QCS.
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God drat had someone pm me mad on discord for congratulating some of the mRNA research scientists (Karikó and Weissman) on the quick adoption and success of their work because I didnt "give credit to Biden" for "vaccinating 100m people" Like drat, what do you think Biden did, specifically, to make this happen? What's up with your brain?
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching kinkshaming smdh
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Mirthless posted:this has some real "we had to teach the primitives" vibes, not gonna lie japan believed in borders so strongly they fired on unknown ships from the shore if they didn't come to the designated foreigners-only port so the us forced them to open er up by sending the guy from friends with the explicit orders to force the borders open by bombing them if they wouldn't give in and let the americans colonize them e;fb lol Shima Honnou has issued a correction as of 21:02 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1377699408909860866 that would be kind of a weird thing to say joe
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching post the PMs
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lumpentroll posted:post the PMs
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lumpentroll posted:post the PMs
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me in 2071, looking out the window at all the future America won: wow, I wonder exactly what point in history this happened
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching you can just tell them to gently caress off?
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching post the PMs
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imagine being alive in 2071
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lumpentroll posted:post the PMs they're boring, it's just "ur thread is leaking again" I don't even know who or where or why
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loquacius posted:Is somebody STILL pooptouching somewhere? I'm getting cryptic PMs about it now. Stop pooptouching You're probably going to get cryptic crybaby PMs as long as CSPAM exists post em
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:There was a time when she had no problem demanding utopia. Thats the problem. We all know change is hard to accomplish, but she's gone from wanting the best results to justifying no steps. Abolishonists didn't spend time advocating for access to freedom, or a look at the institution of slavery closer to see what can be fixed, they loving asked for the abolishing of slavery full stop. Did they have a clear point a to b? gently caress no just abolish slavery and deal with it. Yeah, but if you don't consider how you arrive at your destination carefully, you inevitably end up with things like a healthcare law that republican states can opt out of, or, more hyperbolically since you chose to loving go there, a "soft abolition" of slavery that effectively made the sale and trade of human beings illegal, but set them up to be minimally indentured servants for another century before they were given equal rights as people This is also an argument against incrementalism, mind you, from my point of view, anyway. Do the achievable, completely, correctly. You can get lost in the weeds and lead astray very easily with reactionary thinking. Wanting something hard right now is understandable, but not realistic or necessarily helpful if it's stopping you from achieving actual progress Mirthless has issued a correction as of 21:12 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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loquacius posted:they're boring, it's just "ur thread is leaking again" Sounds like someone who can gently caress right off then
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