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Barry Foster posted:Oh, and furthermore, I consider that Labour must be destroyed _Labor delenda est_ doesn’t really have much of a ring to it, largely because the Latin turns out to be the same as the American.
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Apr 2, 2021 13:39
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Apr 2, 2021 13:49
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feedmegin posted:...what the gently caress are you talking about At a guess... Lots of small states in medieval and early modern continental Europe, and so much easier to put on a satirical play about the local nobs and then gently caress off across the border to the next duchy where their wrath couldn't touch you than it was in England.
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Apr 2, 2021 13:53
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Noxville posted:Surprised she never heard ‘incursion’ used in reference to the Iraq war that her party started
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Apr 2, 2021 14:36
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Apraxin posted:Tbf, she was like 10 years old when that happened. But yeah, that excuse is completely incredible, the only optimistic interpretation I can come up with is 'I didn't actually read the leaflet I was handing out, but obviously can't admit that, so here's some bullshit instead.'
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Apr 2, 2021 15:10
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Even if she claims to not know what the word incursion means, she should probably have seen how problematic "dealing with travelers" is, incursion or not.
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Apr 2, 2021 15:12
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TheRat posted:Even if she claims to not know what the word incursion means, she should probably have seen how problematic "dealing with travelers" is, incursion or not. Wheeling and dealing
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Apr 2, 2021 15:34
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endlessmonotony posted:Nah, that's just in English. Roman and Greek humor was 90% dunking on slaves, women and foreigners.
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Apr 2, 2021 15:38
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Charlotte Nichols posted:The terminology around "incursions" appears widely used in legal and local government contexts There are exactly 3 court cases that use phrases like "traveller incursion", "travellers' incursion", "incursion by travellers", &c. Of these, one refers to "suffering from" incursion (def negative), and another refers to "vulnerability to" incursion (also negative). The other one is kinda neutral I guess, basically just using "incursion" as synonymous with "trespass". I also looked through all of the legislation, journal articles, practice notes &c that contain both the words "traveller" and "incursion", and not a single one is about incursion by travellers, in every case the words are just somewhere in the document by coincidence. I think Charlotte Nichols might just be A Bad Egg.
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Borrovan posted:I'd prefer "I didn't read it" to "what do words mean", but honestly the only acceptable response would be "holy poo poo gently caress I am so sorry, I had no idea, this is not who we are, & so I will now either resign from my post or take personal responsibility for finding out exactly who is responsible and making sure it doesn't happen again" Yeah the correct response is "we're going to find out who printed this and expel them from the party" but unfortunately being anti-traveller is the most acceptable racism so the person will likely get a promotion instead.
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Apr 2, 2021 15:40
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Paul.Power posted:Modern politics: taking Hanlon's Razor* and using it as a shield. The important follow-up to this is "Sufficiently advanced stupidity can only come from malice."
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Apr 2, 2021 15:45
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Support, don't oppose. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/02/the-guardian-view-on-starmers-first-year-show-dont-tell
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Apr 2, 2021 17:11
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah the correct response is "we're going to find out who printed this and expel them from the party" but unfortunately being anti-traveller is the most acceptable racism so the person will likely get a promotion instead. At least there is this, but too little too late. It should never have been on there in the first place. And her excuse was laughable. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/02/labour-destroy-local-election-leaflet-anti-travellers-pledge
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Apr 2, 2021 17:14
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How many have been handed out, will there be a leaflet amnesty?
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Apr 2, 2021 17:20
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I wonder what she was saying on doorsteps when asked about that part of the leaflet.
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Apr 2, 2021 17:27
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I don't think anyone read the leaflets as I was on the doorstep so I would be surprised if anyone asked.
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Apr 2, 2021 17:29
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I agree with the never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity, or in this case naïevety, TBH. https://twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1377979521220108291
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Apr 2, 2021 17:58
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Bollocks that it's not the values of the Labour Party under Mr Cops.
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Apr 2, 2021 17:59
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Sorry, sorry, Sir Cops.
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Apr 2, 2021 17:59
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Tesseraction posted:I agree with the never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity, or in this case naïevety, TBH. Lol at "the leaflet will be destroyed", they were hardly gonna put it in a museum were they? Now that the corrupting influence of the Bad Leaflet has been excised, our politics are good again
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Apr 2, 2021 18:06
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It was a commonly held value in Labour under Corbyn as well. That's kind of the point.
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Apr 2, 2021 18:09
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namesake posted:It was a commonly held value in Labour under Corbyn as well. That's kind of the point. Well yes but the leader himself would be like "Heavens no, these are precious human beings" whereas Smithers would be like *sticks clothes peg on nose* "while I take issue with the wording, we must respect our law enforcement's right to secure green spaces"
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Apr 2, 2021 18:10
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sebzilla posted:At a guess... Yeah think I'm going to need a cite on that. Particularly if we are claiming England was somehow UNIQUELY bad because try that in say early 18th century France and see where that gets you. Continental Europe is not a uniform sea of tiny little principalities for the literal millennium plus of time we are talking about here. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Apr 2, 2021 18:30
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This leaflet is not in line with the values of the labour party which created, approved, produced and distributed it
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kyojin posted:This leaflet is not in line with the values of the labour party which created, approved, produced and distributed it This would have never happened had the labour party been subject to increased police monitoring and harsher sentences for campaigners.
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Apr 2, 2021 18:57
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kyojin posted:This leaflet is not in line with the values of the labour party which created, approved, produced and distributed it The institution itself created it, independent of the members.
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Apr 2, 2021 18:59
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feedmegin posted:Yeah think I'm going to need a cite on that. Particularly if we are claiming England was somehow UNIQUELY bad because try that in say early 18th century France and see where that gets you. Continental Europe is not a uniform sea of tiny little principalities for the literal millennium plus of time we are talking about here.
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Apr 2, 2021 19:16
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therattle posted:At least there is this, but too little too late. It should never have been on there in the first place. And her excuse was laughable. Local party officials were quoted as saying "This is the one thing we didn't want to happen."
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Apr 2, 2021 19:19
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feedmegin posted:Yeah think I'm going to need a cite on that. Particularly if we are claiming England was somehow UNIQUELY bad because try that in say early 18th century France and see where that gets you. Continental Europe is not a uniform sea of tiny little principalities for the literal millennium plus of time we are talking about here. That's not even going into how discourse has historically been freer in the UK than most of Europe. The UK was one of the first countries which had a largely uncensored press and a long history of it. Most other places cracked down far more heavily on any criticism of the King and other notables. It gave us such gems as John Bull farting at George the third.
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Apr 2, 2021 19:20
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The leaflets were destroyed in a large bonfire which left damage to local fields, and the cordon used to secure the area consisted of several caravans. Ha! Very good. When I read “incursions from Travellers” I did think of the villagers building a wooden palisade and arming themselves with pitchforks and homemade spears in a can attempt to repel the Viking-like Traveller raids.
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Apr 2, 2021 19:35
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Does a society, a nation, get to decide how it wants it's citizens, (peoples?) to live? To say this is an acceptable way of life and this isn't? If you choose this way of life we will make things hard for you because we, quite rightly, don't want people in this country who just turn up where they want when they want, ignore all the rules, gently caress everybody over, benefit from crimes all the while and just act however they want? And if we all agree on this we should just ban the rich.
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therattle posted:When I read “incursions from Travellers” I did think of the villagers building a wooden palisade and arming themselves with pitchforks and homemade spears in a can attempt to repel the Viking-like Traveller raids.
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Apr 2, 2021 20:52
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At least it's a proper apology which accepts it was wrong and that harm was done. Without any commitment to find out or change how it came about, so this will just happen again somewhere else and whoever produced the leaflet originally will keep making them as long as it goes down well with the focus groups. But at least it's not a "sorry if you were offended by it (but that's your fault not mine)" that we normally see.
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Apr 2, 2021 21:10
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I mean strictly it doesn't say it was wrong, it says that she regrets the offence it caused (not that the sentiment itself was wrong, as in it would have been entirely fine if nobody had whinged about it) and that having spoken to the labour party she has now decided to say it does not reflect her or their officially espoused values (but not that it was wrong to put it on a leaflet to appeal to racists) The emphasis is very much on the "I regret that this reached a wider audience than the horrible village racists I was intending for it to reach." Seems very much in line with the "sorry you were offended" approach tbh.
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Apr 2, 2021 21:14
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I'm not saying it's great, but "the offence I have caused" is an active sentence, where instead the lovely ones are passive like "any offence caused" (which technically doesn't acknowledge that the person apologising was responsible), or reflective like "any offence taken" (where the responsibility is shifted to those offended). Like I said though, I don't think anything will actually change and there's no commitment to do so either.
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Apr 2, 2021 21:21
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The use of “incursion” makes me think that travellers are extra dimensional beings penetrating the thin membrane between realities in order to alter and permutate the mundane.
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Apr 2, 2021 21:48
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https://twitter.com/llewcid/status/1378042961204805639?s=19
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Apr 2, 2021 21:49
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Comrade Fakename posted:The use of “incursion” makes me think that travellers are extra dimensional beings penetrating the thin membrane between realities in order to alter and permutate the mundane. I think that's literally a plot point in the vampire diaries tv show.
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OwlFancier posted:I think that's literally a plot point in the vampire diaries tv show. Also 5th Edition D&D (and probably older editions I don't know i'm not a d&d scholar)
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